Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion Thread (SPOILERS)

Wanted to create a thread for those who have seen the movie. Probably one of the few benefits of living out of the US is sometimes the movies come out a bit earlier. In this case places like Australia and Singapore got it in the 17th. Once again spoiler warning!

Great movie. Definitely the best since the originals but still 4th in my book. Can't believe they killed ____. Pretty bummed about that.

Also I totally nailed my Kylo Ren prediction I posted on here a week or so ago.

Pretty bold to do that with Luke. Had a feeling he would have a small part.
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  • Loved Kylo. Thought it was cool that he was conflicted between light and dark, and that he was struggling to fend off the light side. He was by no means a pro at wielding that crude light sabre and his temper tantrums showed he was't very disciplined and composed. Darth Vader wannabe basically.

    Han was spoiled for me from the get go after Harrison's unenthusiastic interviews unfortunately :( 

    The 3 new characters were also fantastic.

    I think I wanted Kylo to be more mysterious originally, but it did feel new to have a powerful antagonist that was wet behind the ears.
  • Loved the amount of action in the movie, I never felt like there was a lull even when they were doing some character building etc. 

    I wasn't surprised with Han as they will to a certain extent separate themselves from the original trilogy at some point. 

    Kylo Ren's background was somewhat predictable but still works in the story-line, now to see whether Rey is also part of the skywalker clan given her force power. His rage outbursts should now just get eye-rolls from the crew but it would be good to be a builder on his ships because you will always have a job repairing rooms he rage destroys. 

    I didnt like that Ren had some training as a Jedi and lost in combat to someone that was a complete novice although I understand that it was mainly due to his conflict between light and dark.


    Elisa
  • Just watched it today and was impressed. An entertaining ride with some surprises in the mix, overall very enjoyable especially considering the huge amount of expectations and pressure on it. I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan, but I had a huge smile on my face throughout most of the movie. The actors were fine, I especially liked Oscar Isaac and his friendship with John Boyega's character.
    I don't think this is anything original, and it might be pandering too much, but after watching the prequels I'm just happy that it's this good. :)

    Great start to the new trilogy and I'm now looking forward to Rian Johnson's Episode VIII. 
    chriskksa1001Elisa
  • I think there were maybe 3-4 scenes that got cut that would have helped the story not seem some rushed in certain spots. But knowing Disney its not surprising they were demanding a specific length. 
  • LukeLuke Central Illinois
    Liked it a lot but at what point do all these homages stop being fun and start being intellectualy dishonest.

    They basically remade A New Hope and threw in some of the most iconic scenes from Empire for good measure.
    Jovial_FalconElisa
  • It's really a fun movie that touches all the right points but almost overplays the nostalgia with SO many references to the original trilogy.

    The new characters are good, the pacing is brisk. My thoughts during the fight scenes were that Abrams picked up a few points from Peter Jackson by having the grand scale of the fighting keep coming back to the human level and I liked that.

    Kylo Ren...I keep thinking he was better as an enigma and perhaps would have been better served by not removing his mask until the later scenes. But he is a great twist on the villain by being drawn to the light side of the force and that's an interesting idea that we don't often get to see.

    What I really, really enjoyed was the amount of practical effects and the fact that the movie wasn't a giant cgi spectacle. George Lucas could learn a thing or three in that regard. Effects do not a story make.

    Is it a great piece of cinema? No, it's not Citizen Kane but then again Star Wars is kind of beyond that sort of normal movie critique...it's not just a movie, it's something else entirely...but do I think it will live up to expectations (how could it??)?

    I think it might if only because it's so much fun. Unlike the previous 3 dreadful & leaden prequels which were anything but fun.

    I will definitely have to see this one again.
  • LukeLuke Central Illinois
    @Massive they weren't references they blatantly ripped entire scenes and set pieces. A reference is Finn finding the training Droid on the falcon. It's a split second thing.

    There were many parts of this, much like Star Trek Into Darkness another JJ Abrams "Sequalmake", that straight up plagerized entire scenes. You can't completly rip the end of Wrath of Kahn word for word and IMO you can't rip the Vader and Luke scene from Empire and call it a reference. It is no long a reference but blatant theft.

    I loved the film and it was a ton of fun to take my kids to it. But I think JJ deserves some Bullllshit calling on him. He crosses the line with these established properties, he needs to go back to doing original stuff.
    Elisa
  • So you're saying...
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    edited December 2015
    It felt like Star Wars, and I'd say quality wise its in the neighborhood of RotJ, maybe a notch better maybe worse depending on how you feel about Jedi.  I will say if I never see a spherical death station in Star Wars again, it will be too soon.

    HatorianryanfosterFreddysteph_bNinoNikkiPmanhattnik
  • mike3point14159mike3point14159 International Falls MN
    In my tiny 6000 population town (International Falls MN.) with one movie theater with 3 screens we had a real $15,000 R2-D2, 2 sand people, a perfect episode 6 Luke, a perfect episode 4 Han. And yours truly, walking home the 2.5 miles in +8 Fahrenheit cause the bus stops running at 7pm and I don't own a car. Thermal underwear for the win and my 2 big black labs are my living hot water bottles tonight.

    One minor gripe, why is Rey's 6 foot staff so detailed when it is just a 6 foot long stick. It's not a blaster or invulnerable to a light saber, it's just a stick.
  • LukeLuke Central Illinois
    I think they focused on the stick combat to make it more believable when she eventually fights with a light saber.

    Maybe when she makes her lightsaber it will be double sided ala Darth Maul.
    mike3point14159A_Ron_HubbardFreddyTaraC73Nathansteph_bNikkiP
  • Just popping in to say tickets are purchased for 12/22... Be back then
    TaraC73ksa1001
  • A part of me is disappointed there are so many questions but then I remember that episode 4 was the same exact way. I do hope they do something to fill the gap between 6 and 7. Anything revolving the main characters should be books but anything between 6-7 that isn't about Han/Luke/etc should include potential TV shows, movies, etc.

  • As an adult I kept coming back to the fact that this is now a Disney owned property and that most all of their movies are meant for kids with key attachments points that their parents want to see.  Disney has really mastered that execution.  The checklist...
     - nostalgia for us adults
     - cool talking handsome older guy fighter pilot
     - conflicted teenager type with a broken family in Ren
     - a young guy that was forced in to being something he didn't want to be and decided to break the mold to be what he wanted to be
     - and (the most important for Disney these days) a very independent young girl that has up until her teenage years hasn't realized her true power/place in a world that she felt very small in (AKA Breaking the Princess Mold)

    Check, check, check, check, and check.  I really liked it by the way, will be bringing my kids this weekend.
  • LukeLuke Central Illinois
    edited December 2015
    They did leave me wanting more, and I like it. The part I loved the most, and it caught me by suprise, was all the new characters. I had thr opposite reaction of Jim. I was really into this movie in the first portion with Po, Rey, and Finn. Loved the Captain Phasma scenes too. I actually think the movie took a slight downward turn when we were reintroduced to the old cast.

    The Han scenes were pretty good but Ford looked like an old man that couldn't do the action required. It isn't his fault he is like 70. What sticks out to me is when C 3PO pops in. That is when my eyes rolled, which is weird because it's the opposite reaction I expected. I wanted to get the obligatory fan service out of the way and get back to the new stuff.

    I am really hopeful for the sequal, Abrams is gone so I expect the reference porn will be greatly toned down. I do hope Snopes identify is a bit more of a twist because IMO he is obviously Palpatine.

    Also I got the Resistence, New Order, New Republic stuff. I got a cold war vibe off this movie. Basically you have the New Order controlling thier part of the Galaxy and the New Republic has theirs. The Resistance is a terrorist cell funded by the New Republic and they operate in New Order territory, which explains why their base was so close to the new weapon.

    To me this is probably the nugget that survives from Lucas' original treatment. Making a cold war drama where you have spies from both sides everywhere seems like a Lucas idea to me.
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    What did you like about Captain Phasma?  Her parts were among the biggest WTF moments in the film for me.  She looks cool, certainly, but she's Boba Fasma lite at this point.
    Elisa
  • LukeLuke Central Illinois
    Maybe it was the Game of Thrones fan in me, but I got a Pod/Brienne feel from her and Finn. I honostly wanted way more of her and maybe a bit less Kylo Ren. I feel like they should have left him a bit more of a mystery because by the end I didn't see him as a big bad but u think that was thier intent.

    I don't think she is gone, I have a feeling she now as a personal grudge against Finn and we will see that play out in the sequels.
    Elisa
  • I thought it was a missed opportunity by Abrams to not show Jar Jar Binks on one of the planets that got destroyed by the new Death Star. Anyone else agree?
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  • What did you like about Captain Phasma?  Her parts were among the biggest WTF moments in the film for me.  She looks cool, certainly, but she's Boba Fasma lite at this point.

    In an interview it was said that Captain Phasma's costume was actually Kylo Ren's in early drafts until they stumbled upon Kylo's current design.  Brienne was also cast late, after the fan uproar about there not being enough women characters.  As far as the current movie Phasma goes it seems like they just kept her there because the costume looked cool and it gave them an easy way to add a well known, to parents, female character.
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    THAT WAS BRIENNE OF TARTH?!?
    LukeNathanksa1001
  • What did you like about Captain Phasma?  Her parts were among the biggest WTF moments in the film for me.  She looks cool, certainly, but she's Boba Fasma lite at this point.

    I agree. I was waiting for a moment in the film where Captain Phasma would show why she's the leader of the group. Instead, we were subjected dialogue where she was undermined and and being reprimanded by Ky-Lo. Didn't understand it.
  • Captain Phasma was nothing more than a merchandising ploy. They sold a ton of action figures for a cool looking character that is hardly in the movie. Hopefully she will have a bigger part cuz I like the actress and she definitely had a Boba Fett vibe. But for now it's Disney Toys: 1 actual cool and likeable character: 0
    JTKIII
  • LukeLuke Central Illinois
    I mean yeah they set up the sequal. I mean Boba Fett literally did nothing but look cool and people love him. I have a feeling we will see her again in a bigger role.

    This is a JJ Abrams trade mark. The movie goes so fast you don't have time to linger on the characters. I think they have good ass actors in place, so as long as they get a better director I think the sequals could rival the OT when it is all said and done.

    The set up between Ben Solo and Rey is pretty epic. Especially when it is revealed to us that Luke's old squeeze left Rey on Jakku to hide her from Snoke and she is really Luke's daughter.

    Then you have Finn being persued by Phasma as a b plot and I think we have the set up for a great story.
    goodbar79
  • edited December 2015
    I loved Phasma, and I wanted more.  I just thought she was so cool and mysterious.  Maybe I just thought it was neat to have a female villain in Star Wars.  I didn't really see a Boba Fett connection.  I also liked seeing different ranks within the Storm Trooper legions.

    Also, seriously..? You showed up 45 minutes before the movie -- on opening night -- and were surprised you didn't get good seats??
    KingKobra
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    edited December 2015
    Just got back. Caught the very first showing so that I wouldn't miss LWJ&A.

    First thoughts: It was a ton of fun and even tugged at the ole "Star Wars is it's own thing and has it's own power" feels. Which is huge considering none of the prequels even came close to doing that. The dialogue felt forced in a lot of places and casting and acting was poor almost throughout (the Leia and Han scenes were cringe worthy). That being said, the action, story, characters (concepts, maybe not execution), pacing, and visual details were great, and more than made up for any flaws. A lot of little things that were awesome such as Poe closing his wings in order to squeak through the planet weapon wound. I also loved that it focused so much on Han, and didn't just use them as shoe horned in side characters. Added a ton of weight to what could have easily been a story that does nothing but introduce new characters.

    All in all I can safely say The Force Awakens is easily the fourth best Star Wars. Ha ha.

    I'll probably end up seeing it again before the weekend is up. Anybody else planning on second watch while it's still in theaters?


    ksa1001
  • Freddy said:

    That being said, the action, pacing, and visual details were great. A lot of little things that were awesome such as Poe closing his wings in order to squeak through the planet weapon wound.

    Yeah, really makes me excited for Rogue One next year.
    Freddy
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    If they keep the overall quality up, I'll end up seeing everything they put out in the theaters.
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    Luke said:

    Especially when it is revealed to us that Luke's old squeeze left Rey on Jakku to hide her from Snoke and she is really Luke's daughter. 

    WUT?!
    goodbar79ksa1001
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    adampasz said:

    I loved Phasma, and I wanted more.  I just thought she was so cool and mysterious.  Maybe I just thought it was neat to have a female villain in Star Wars.  I didn't really see a Boba Fett connection.  I also liked seeing different ranks within the Storm Trooper legions.

    Also, seriously..? You showed up 45 minutes before the movie -- on opening night -- and were surprised you didn't get good seats??

    I live in a shithole suburb of Ohio, I didn't really even expect all screens to sell out.  I had a reasonable expectation of being able to sit 3 people together not on the front row.  I paid for my lack of faith, I guess.  But lots of people on Reddit were reporting 7pm showings that were half full or less.  It really depends on where you live and how many screens were showing it.

    And I'll be 40 next year.  My days of standing in line for a movie are about done, haha.
    Freddy
  • Absolutely loved it.

    It's no empire, yet (I'll wait till I see the whole trilogy)

    To much copy and paste, especially Death Star/star killer.

    Great action, humor, and tension.

    Ren was awesome ,kudos to driver.

    Can't wait for next one
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