Walking Dead - 701: "The Day Will Come When You Won't Be"

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  • DeeDee Adelaide
    My daughter has this annoying friend who basically narrates his whole life - I don't think he's ever had a thought he hasn't spoken out loud. That's who Negan made me think of. After 10 minutes I was like OMG SHUUUUT UUUUUUUPPPPP.
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  • The Void Stared BackThe Void Stared Back Raleigh, NC
    edited October 2016
     Rick  Reek Grimes 

    I enjoyed the episode for the most part, my only real complaint is making us wait ~8 months to tell basically the same story of a comic book from four years ago. Yeah, Abe was killed off too, but he was living on borrowed time anyways. 
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  • JbrettD said:

    Comparing the comic shot of glen and the show... wow.  AMC still blew it.  It was spoiled.


    where was it spoiled?
  • DharmaBot said:

    Season 6: "When will Negan show up?"
    Season 7: "When will Negan shut up?"

    I like JDM in the role but Jesus that was some repetitive monologueing.

    They overcooked the shit out of this incident.

    Hit the nail on the head there. Does anyone else think that when he turns side ways, his whole profile looks weird. He does not have the ass, for a high waist jacket lol. He looks like a lamp post. I was bored of listening to him. I'm bored of this show, and its a shame, because it used to really excite me every week.
  • That was the best season 6 finale ever!
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  • edited October 2016
    Didn't think it was possible for them to bungle the execution of this, but they went ahead and did it, by dragging out the reveal until almost halfway through the episode. Really, we're the wrong audience for this show - TWD is made for people who'll watch stuff like the sequence where Rick remembers each of the group members individually without questioning it or realizing they're being jerked around. And hey, there are enough of those people for this show to get millions of viewers, so I guess they see no reason to change. There's a decent episode here, if you rearrange it so it's in the right order and cut down on some of the pointless wallowing in misery. I mean, seriously? A bit where Rick imagines everyone else getting hit with the bat? A Mr. Robot-style fantasy dinner sequence? I don't even know anymore.

    A few positives, I guess: Jeffrey Dean Morgan continues to be great as Negan, which is a relief since the show will clearly be calling on him to do a bunch more of these crazy monologues, and he's just about making them work. "Suck my nuts" was the perfect way for Abraham to go out (Glenn's death was a bit more of a mixed bag, what with him turning into a cartoon character after the first hit - they were relying more on the shock value of there being a second victim for that one, I guess). Also, now we're past the ~big moment~ maybe we'll see some improvements once the show settles back into relatively normal episodes. It's probably wishful thinking, but either way it's kind of a relief to put this stupid cliffhanger business behind us.
    tom_gTheEconomist
  • NathanNathan Winterfell, The North, Westeros
    I'll be honest. This episode had me laughing out loud so much.

    Everyone's reactions were funny as fuck, especially Eugene, Rosita and Aaron.

    I want to have someone that looks at me the way Negan looks at Rick. So much sexual tension! #MoveOverRichonne #Regan

    And Maggie continues to not give a shit whether her family dies. Glenn who???!?!?
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  • I mean, seriously? A bit where Rick imagines everyone else getting hit with the bat?

    Well AMC filmed all of them getting the bat in the hopes that it would stop the spoliers(it didn't) and typical Hollywood fashion they didn't want to waste precious film so they incorporated it into the episode. But I agree it was laughably bad.
    TaraC73NathanOriginal_JosephTheEconomist
  • edited October 2016
    The whole trip in the camper was padding. Negan even explains that it didn't work. Maybe he should have forced Rick to cut the scripf with that axe.
    I am looking forward to the next chapter but watching the promo for next week I could swear I heard Negan reiterating that he's in charge now. Is that a drinking game?
    tom_gTaraC73TheEconomist
  • txyesboytxyesboy Fort Worth, Texas
    TaraC73 said:

    Confused -- is everyone and every body in the RV with Rick? Seems like they dragged the bodies in the opposite direction of the RV?

    Negan said he left them a truck as well as a "gift". I'm assuming they loaded the bodies into the bed of the truck.

    Was it too drawn out? Yup
    Was it pretentious and ham-fisted? Yeah
    But keep in mind a few things:

    This show became a cultural phenomena and is under constant scrutiny. It is polarizing simply because it has to straddle a line in order to satisfy a number of types of fans.

    It has to satisfy the gore fans, shippers, comic zealots, just to name a few. But its biggest obstacle is trying to live up to the constant criticisms by critics and discerning golden age of TV fans, who in some circles will always find fault in everything this show does - if only to find a round hole to fit this square peg of a show into comparatively to the other "top" shows of the current era.

    I am sure I'm not the first to say this, but I try to remember *not* to try to hold this show to the same level of scrutiny to other shows I watch, because I am acutely aware of the limitations the production teams, cast, writers, and crew face in regards to creating this show.

    The only reasonable comparable show might be GoT, in terms of having a written word already crafted as a template to follow, which has to be carefully crafted when electing to deviate from in order to not alienate their book reading faithful. But GoT has two things going for them that TWD doesn't: A far more competent, experienced, and thorough world builder in GrrM, and....HBO. Neither can be understated in any way.

    In short, try to think of TWD as "the little apocalypse gore show that could", rather than the "behemoth profit-making network cash cow that most often cannot".

    We knew they would milk one of the comic's flagship moments for all it was worth, and they did just that. Comic readers know there are really only a few more similar moments going forward, and one as impactful as this one. As a large scale production with some of the cast and crew being around for 6-7 years now - this was a painful moment for them to get through. For someone like Steven Yeun, he probably has to feel relieved the moment is finally over.




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  • DrKen said:

    I was TV unspoiled and I thought it was great. Really intense.

    I thought there was a pretty good chance, given what they'd done already, that they might let Rick make that cut. Usually you don't get that suspense with a main character.

    I hated the finale but I really thought this was great. Also, that was the most gruesome TV death I'd ever seen. It felt very true to the comic and even more disturbing and I found the comic to be pretty disturbing.

    Not sure how you stayed unspoiled. I was on an ESPN comment board about the Cubs game Saturday and some dude posted the exactly correct sequence of events for the deaths. I tried staying away from spoilers but didn't work.
    Brawn
  • Frakkin T said:

    Frakkin T out! Hope you guys enjoy the rest of the series.

    I've got one foot out of the door, not sure which way I am going to go.  I find myself watching solely because it is such a cultural phenomenon.
    TaraC73TheEconomist
  • I will say this - even having heard spoilers I was still on the edge of my seat just before Abe got it. When they commit they can still nail it.

    I would have liked to see Shane in the fantasy sequence. Maybe at the kiddie table with Merle.
    TaraC73Elisa
  • Hatorian said:

    DrKen said:

    I was TV unspoiled and I thought it was great. Really intense.

    I thought there was a pretty good chance, given what they'd done already, that they might let Rick make that cut. Usually you don't get that suspense with a main character.

    I hated the finale but I really thought this was great. Also, that was the most gruesome TV death I'd ever seen. It felt very true to the comic and even more disturbing and I found the comic to be pretty disturbing.

    Not sure how you stayed unspoiled. I was on an ESPN comment board about the Cubs game Saturday and some dude posted the exactly correct sequence of events for the deaths. I tried staying away from spoilers but didn't work.
    i was completely unspoiled going into it but our internet went out for 20 minutes or so midstream (after abe but before glenn).  at that point i knew there was no avoiding spoilers as they'd be omnipresent.  i guess we'll watch the rest today because my wife is interested, i am minimally interested in this show at this point.

    at&t sucks.
  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky
    The thing I found most unbelievable was that Rick put Gabriel next to him at his dreamland barbecue.
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  • CoryCory New Scotland
    TxSandMan said:

    That left eye was great.. It only took 20 minutes longer than it should have

    Six months and 20 minutes longer than it should have.
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  • CoryCory New Scotland
    TaraC73 said:

    Confused -- is everyone and every body in the RV with Rick? Seems like they dragged the bodies in the opposite direction of the RV?

    There's someone in the RV?  Seriously, I kept zoning out while Negan was droning on and on and on, and likely missed stuff.
    Elisa
  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky
    Cory said:

    TaraC73 said:

    Confused -- is everyone and every body in the RV with Rick? Seems like they dragged the bodies in the opposite direction of the RV?

    There's someone in the RV?  Seriously, I kept zoning out while Negan was droning on and on and on, and likely missed stuff.
    They were talking about at the very end of the episode.
  • LukeLuke Central Illinois
    One stupid nitpick. I love how the guy hanging from the bridge looked like a six month old corpse zombie. When in actual show time it's been like 3 to 6 hours.

    His head even detached like he was rotten. TWD is like this weird meta universe where actually real time passes even when it makes no sense in the narrative.
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  • CoryCory New Scotland

    I don't find excessive, sadistic violence emotional or interesting. The episode was a slog to get through. The only effective part for me was the Carl and Rick sequence. I felt genuine tension and emotion. The rest just bored me when it wasn't making me uncomfortable to see that much graphic, extended violence on television, although I thought JDM did well with his endless dialogue, and I will miss Glenn.

    I know how much you loved Glenn.  *Hugs*
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  • NathanNathan Winterfell, The North, Westeros
    No guys, Glenn isn't dead. He was just hiding under the dumpster of a marriage he has with Maggie.

    I do kinda feel bad for SashaHam fans, but at least DaRito is on the rise!!!! (Daryl and Rosita yo)
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  • Where's Ben the Butcher when you need him???


  • This is my first post to baldmove so apologies upfront for any overlooked forum etiquette.


    The point that drove me nuts was how in the hell did they spend all that time in the forest over night making all that noise and NOT ONE damn walker shows up. I mean for the love of god, all that monologuing from Negan should have attracted at least some walker attention, not mention all the headlights on the cars. And then, after everyone is left and only Rick is there, ONLY THEN do we get one walker. Come on!


    Granted I know what I’m getting myself into when I watch this show (which is misery porn) and I let a lot of stuff slide. But it drives me nuts that they bring in zombies when and where they need them and there is never any rhyme or reason to when they show up. Other than “welp, we need a walker now to nibble on Glen’s brain matter to further hit home that Glen is dead and that is sad.” 

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  • Ugh. The violence didn't do anything for me, and this show has gone far enough that I expect character deaths, so I'll miss Glenn and Abraham but didn't really feel anything. And for all I heard about how darkly charismatic and fascinating Negan is supposed to be, he just sounds like a villain who won't shut up. Also, I'm not sure the Negan economy makes any sense 3 years into the apocalypse. How many peasants does Negan have, how much can they possibly gather, and how long can they even live with him taking most of their gear?

    I did think the sequence after Negan left was ok, so hopefully this leads somewehere interesting.

    I made it about halfway through the Edward James Olmos season of Dexter before I decided it was pointless violence porn and noped out, so I'll probably give TWD about that long.
    pavlovsbellElisa
  • It's disappointing to see so many people not like the monologuing. Those scenes with Negan are what kept me interested in the show when I was losing patience. I thought it drove the point home how this wasn't going to be a win for the gang. Rick thought he could still huff and puff even after losing two of his friends, but Negan had to "shut that shit down". You need to believe in the charisma of Negan if you want to believe him to be the type of leader that he is, and I pretty much believe it. Oh well, difference of opinions and such. 
    MichelleTaraC73Brawn
  • I have more of a problem with the specific content than the idea of JDM chewing scenery (which is wonderful).
    Everything after the beatings felt like Alec Baldwin popping back into the office to make sure Jack Lemmon knows exactly who can have coffee.
    TaraC73
  • edited October 2016
    The thing is, I should've felt sad at the end of this episode - but I wasn't.

    The torture porn I was watching just blocked out any other emotions.

    Still a great episode though. 

    Seeing Rick reduced to a bumbling wreck (including a snot bubble)  was the high-light for me.  
    Elisa
  • That was a nice snot shot.
    TaraC73
  • MichelleMichelle California
    Love or hate the episode, you have to give it up for Andy Lincoln and JDM - their performances were above and beyond.  Andy Lincoln's face acting alone was just incredible.
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  • NikkiP said:

    I quit last season and have just been reading recaps ever since.


    Twinsies! I hit my limit with watching maybe 3/4 of the way through last season. I don't hate the show, just finally over the repetitive The Crew vs the Big Bad/"Oh yay a safe haven! Oh wait this ain't so safe after all" storylines. (Although I do admit I'm not quite sure what other story there is to tell at this stage of a Zombie apocalypse.)

    I'll probably just do the BM podcast this season until I (hopefully) start caring enough to watch again.

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