608 - Chapter 8

Director: Gwyneth Horder-Payton
Writer: Todd Kubrak

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  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    edited November 2016
    Man, I don't like torture porn. Even still, this episode sucks. It's just no fun in my book. More ghost less Polk.
    KingKobraElisa36MickTaraC73mwspiakmanhattnik
  • Man, I don't like torture porn. Even still, this episode sucks. It's just no fun in my book. More ghost less Polk.

    I'm with ya. Too much torture and not enough story. I was hoping at least mama Polk's dentistry would shut fake Shelby up, no such luck.
    manhattnik
  • So basically we are down to the last 3 two of which will die(supposedly). Coming from the previous week, I was disappointed in how they handled this. It seems that EVERYONE is getting killed (including the Polks). This was a call back to the slasher genre maybe a little Texas chainhouse massacre. With 2 episodes left I think I'm looking forward to see what the twist is, but part of me wished that Ryan just let it stand for itself and let the twist hit without saying anything.
    ElisaTaraC73
  • Frakkin TFrakkin T Currently Offline
    Big opportunity missed by having Frances Conroy play Mama Polk in the reenactment instead of the real world; this episode would have been a lot stronger with her.
    Elisa36Mick
  • NathanNathan Winterfell, The North, Westeros
    Anyone else crack up when she said "Shelby would NEVER commit suicide. She was WAY too self-centered."
    ElisaTaraC73manhattnik
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    edited November 2016
    Worst episode of the season. Also how do the Polks not get arrested in real life? If MRN was really that successful and had 23 million viewers and a cult following then shouldn't the Polks have been found out and arrested? Especially with their massive weed farm?? I know they said they bought off the cops but I don't buy it with that much exposure.
  • amyja89amyja89 Oxford, England
    edited November 2016
    Why the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck would Audrey and Lee head back to house after escaping the Polks, especially seeing as they are the only ones at that point who know that Sydney is dead and that everything has gone to complete shit.

    It would be an interesting twist if Lee were the one to survive and then retrospectively be incarcerated for Mason's murder if the police find her confession on the Polk's video tape, that's obviously the reason that she wants to go back because surely Audrey was totally right when she said that no jury would convict them for murdering their captors in order to escape. In fact, could a court case along those lines actually be the further gear change that Murphy has promised for episode 10? After all, the likes of Serial and Making A Murderer are all the rage right now, not to mention The People vs. OJ!

    Unless Wes Bentley's character has something really vital to add to the proceedings, his appearance at the end just feels like another opportunity to put some gore porn horror on the screen by eventually showing another death that doesn't necessarily impact on the 'main' characters, we are down to only three now after all.
    Elisa
  • I have to agree with others, this was probably the worst episode of the season for me. Between the torture porn and the "people filming everything on camera when they really should be dropping that shit and getting the hell outta there" crap, it was just bad.
    ElisaHatorianTaraC73
  • MichelleMichelle California
    I disagree that this was the worst episode of the season.  To say that is to say that the first episodes with the documentary & talking heads was actually better than this, and I think those were the weakest episodes.   I feel like this last stretch of episodes, starting with last week, is really bringing it... scare jumps and just outright horror, and yes, torture porn.  *This* is the AHS I look forward to seeing every season but only rarely get to see, just downright scary shit.

    Now that said, I did feel like there were a couple of weak points in last night's episode, but only in the dialogue, specifically with Audrey.  When she and Lee found Shelby, and Audrey says something to the effect of "I feel like a part of me died with her" I had to roll my eyes.  But then, when she and Lee were in the woods and Audrey was recording the intense facial closeup "last message to the fans", saying that she had so many more roles to give them, etc. I just had to shake my head.  I suppose this is Ryan Murphy's little way of showing the narcissistic nature of actors, but it just came across as so lame and unnecessary.    On the other hand, she did come through for Lee when Lee needed help walking and escaping from the Polk compound and after she found Matt in the basement, so I can't decide if she's narcissistic or genuinely a good person.  Maybe a bit of both.

    @A_Ron_Hubbard, looks like maybe your OLL (one-legged Lee) theory may come true, she may well be the last person standing when this is all said and done.  I thought it might be Shelby and her pumpkin spice latte-fueled self with her UGG boots that give her magical powers of escape, but that dream died in the upstairs bathroom.   BTW - did you also think, as I did, that Lee was being horribly unfairly judgmental toward Dominic when she locked him out of the bedroom and left him to get killed by the pigman?  She went off on him about how it's clear he killed Shelby, he was holding the knife, etc. but she JUST confessed on video to killing Mason, plus she killed Jether and Audrey smashed in Mama Polk's skull (again with the head bashing).  So why the judgment, Lee?  Especially when Audrey was saying "we should let him in, there's something out there, I saw it."

    Final thoughts:
    *HATED Mama Polk doing her Hannibal Lecter impression
    *Finn Wittrock was totally unrecognizable as Jether!  Good makeup job.
    *Pigman re-enactor showing up late to the party at the end - same re-enactor who played The Butcher's son - interesting.  And hmmm, why is he showing up so late to this thing when the shit's been going down?
    *Wes Bentley in a dual role playing two different re-enactors.  Interesting!
    *Two more episodes to go. Next week should wrap this Return to Roanoke stuff and then episode 10 is a standalone and comes from a different arc.  Wondering what that will be!
    *I heard a spoiler that Ryan Murphy released in an interview on Halloween day but due to the spoilery nature I won't give it away... but it's soooooooooooo good.

    Looking forward to next week!
    TaraC73
  • Hatorian said:

    Worst episode of the season. Also how do the Polks not get arrested in real life? If MRN was really that successful and had 23 million viewers and a cult following then shouldn't the Polks have been found out and arrested? Especially with their massive weed farm?? I know they said they bought off the cops but I don't buy it with that much exposure.

    They specifically mentioned this (re cops). Mama Polk said that had the cops in their pockets for years. As far as reality TV goes, most probably thought they embellished or that the characters were fake.
    Michelle
  • MichelleMichelle California
    KingKobra said:

    Hatorian said:

    They specifically mentioned this (re cops). Mama Polk said that had the cops in their pockets for years. As far as reality TV goes, most probably thought they embellished or that the characters were fake.

    Makes sense why they're growing so much weed - gotta have that hush money!
  • I said last week as a joke that it was all actors playing both the re-enactment actors and the 'real' characters for show in show in show theory.

    Now I'm not so sure it was a joke. I can see the whole plot of the MRN show to be getting a fake 'real' Lee to admit to her husband's murder (i.e. on cue and scripted).  Sidney said as much that this was going to be his 'plot' for the show. I'm pretty sure all the characters are still alive and there are no 'real' players involved. 

    To me, all the danger this episode felt as fake as the first 5 episodes of re-enacted danger. Something just seems way out of whack compared to how actual humans would respond (even by AHS standards). Episode 10 is just the AHS/MRN wrap-party taking about how awesome the ratings are going to be...
  • WonderedObjectWonderedObject SAN Francisco, CA
    I'd say after last week this episode was a let down. Not in the sense that it was the worst but coming off of last week it makes this one look pretty bad. Maybe since it seemed to be a bit too POV for me. The Chens didn't have the same effect on my as they used to which is strange since all the other ghosts have stepped it up a notch. I think the main problem was the The Polk stuff really seemed to drag on and on. The episode would cut back and forth between the two and the Polk storyline just slowed the pace down. 
    Still enjoying the season so far. 

    Murphy really needs to zip it when it comes to spoiling the rest of the season though. That man seriously talks too much.
    KingKobra36Mickmanhattnik
  • KingKobra said:

    Hatorian said:

    Worst episode of the season. Also how do the Polks not get arrested in real life? If MRN was really that successful and had 23 million viewers and a cult following then shouldn't the Polks have been found out and arrested? Especially with their massive weed farm?? I know they said they bought off the cops but I don't buy it with that much exposure.

    They specifically mentioned this (re cops). Mama Polk said that had the cops in their pockets for years. As far as reality TV goes, most probably thought they embellished or that the characters were fake.
    Like I said I don't buy it. It's hand waving. Theres no way a real life murdering kidnapping drug dealing family is going to be able to just skate free after Shelby and Matt escape from them the first time in real life. Not sure why I'm arguing realism in a show about killer ghosts but it ticked me off a bit.
    36Mickmanhattnik
  • MichelleMichelle California
    Yeah, but enough weed and money can probably pay anyone off at the right price.
  • And the film crew said they couldn't find the Polks.  They struck me as really wanting the real deal, if people go hard enough off the grid...  I'll buy it
  • gjulleen said:

    And the film crew said they couldn't find the Polks.  They struck me as really wanting the real deal, if people go hard enough off the grid...  I'll buy it


    Couldn't find them...But miraculously the 2 times the people use that hidden passageway they get kidnapped by the Polks...right. 
    hisdudeness915manhattnik
  • edited November 2016
    amyja89 said:



    It would be an interesting twist if Lee were the one to survive and then retrospectively be incarcerated for Mason's murder if the police find her confession on the Polk's video tape, that's obviously the reason that she wants to go back because surely Audrey was totally right when she said that no jury would convict them for murdering their captors in order to escape.



    I can see her being interviewed in prison during the last episode
    TaraC73
  • TaraC73TaraC73 Manchester NH
    I was genuinely scared watching last night! The spider kids or whatever they are horrified me, the teeth pulling, Lee offering to pleasure that nasty hillbilly (albeit for a good reason but still!), I found myself totally choked up when she was saying goodbye to flora (and even when jethro covered up her wounds for her) but scariest shot of the episode to me was when Dominick looked out the window and all the villagers were standing there army style looking at the house. Goddamn I had scary chills like never before!

    I'm with @Michelle -- this is my kind of AHS! I enjoyed Hotel, but it wasn't horror. I've yet to see any other seasons so can't compare elsewhere.

    Side note: why do all of the Os in the credits and title sequences have the dots?
    Michelle
  • TaraC73TaraC73 Manchester NH
    Oh look at that! Yeah, I guess so! What's the significance?
  • TaraC73 said:

    Oh look at that! Yeah, I guess so! What's the significance?

    It's usually used for pronounciation, but here who knows ;) maybe someone thought it would be "cool" to have the umlaut there as significance to the settlers.
    TaraC73
  • MichelleMichelle California
    I'm pretty sure that's all it is, just a cool way to do the logo.
    TaraC73KingKobra
  • TaraC73TaraC73 Manchester NH
    Yeah, probably just because it looks cool!!
  • The Polk stuff is unbelievable. We can spout about all the real life conspiracies involving crooked cops and politicians being paid off by criminal organizations, but with a national story like that all the weed money in the world wouldn't have stopped the feds, state authorities and even local police from being pressured to shut that shit down.
    Hell, any of the local PD who were in the Polks back pockets most likely would have went and tried to 'take care' of the Polks before they were arrested so that their involvement couldn't be traced back once the Polks were in custody.

    That being said, I'm confused on what exactly happened to the Polks. Sidney's crew did mention that the Polks had disappeared back in episode 6. indicating to me that they were on the run because of the very provable accusations of murder and cannibalism against them (they have human teeth laying around everywhere and a torture barn). So I'm not sure where all of the fresh weed growing everywhere is coming from or how they are back living in the house? Are we to assume that the feds and police couldn't find the Polks HQ and just gave up? Clearly Shelby and Matt were able to find their house by just walking around for a few minutes in the woods beside their property, and it sounds like local PD knew where they lived as well. If the Polks did come back to their hillbilly hell house, they should have returned to a bunch of police tape and no weed growing anywhere. Certainly all of the illegal items and evidence like human teeth would have be confiscated. 

    I don't really find these questions particular interesting since this isn't a True Crime show, but I do find the situation very unbelievable. It would have been better if they were just ghost hillbillies.
    Hatorian
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