Winds of Winter is rumored to now be the last book in the series???! (No Spoilers)


Not sure how accurate these sources are but they say that the reason it's taking so long for winds of winter to be released because GRRM is making it the last book in the series and he's having a hard time finishing. GRRM had a chat with IGN and said he has a whole new plot twist he's working on to shock fans.. I don't know how I feel about this.

He's also apparently signed up for other HBO projects. From what I've seen from the actors, directors, and GRRM they are tired of game of thrones.

How does everyone feel about this? Do you think that the show has potentially damaged the book series?


http://www.christianpost.com/news/winds-of-winter-release-date-plot-news-george-r-r-martin-to-work-on-new-projects-for-hbo-delays-book-release-anew-180050/

https://www.google.com/amp/en.koreaportal.com/amp/articles/31261/20170410/the-winds-of-winter-release-date-news-update-george-rr-martin-finally-ends-asoiaf-series-book-arriving-before-got-season-8.htm

Elisa

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  • i just hope a dance with dragons isn't the last book in the series.

    AjasElisatrippyMurderbearOldGriswoldTheEconomist
  • The twist is more so to keep people involved with the books since they passed him running (IMO). He really announced this when he realized he wouldn't be able to release the books to end before/during series. The only thing that has damaged the books is the author and let's be honest it's hard to blame him with the trucks of money and notoriety the show has brought him. They have a large universe to pull from, so I have no issues if they want to attempt a different storyline in universe.
  • trippytrippy Saint Louis
    Does that mean it will actually get released?
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    Nothing says 'This situation is serious' like a corpse on the floor.
    -Anon.
  • No A Dream of Spring then? I guess that could always be a short 500 page epilogue.
    Yeah? Well, y'know... that's just like uh... your opinion, man.
  • How do you guys also feel about there only being 7 episodes this coming season?
  • TheEconomistTheEconomist Chattanooga, TN

    How do you guys also feel about there only being 7 episodes this coming season?

    It sounded like they'll be longer but also a big boost in budget for each. So instead of budgeted down earlier episodes for a penultimate blow out it might be more evened out and consistently dynamic.

    Hatorian
  • How do you guys also feel about there only being 7 episodes this coming season?

    It sounded like they'll be longer but also a big boost in budget for each. So instead of budgeted down earlier episodes for a penultimate blow out it might be more evened out and consistently dynamic.




    That makes sense and I didn't think about the boosted budget. I guess I'm just sad that the series is almost over and I want to see more. I have yet to find a fantasy series that I like as much as GOT.
  • Christianpost.com?
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  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky
    Even though it's fun to speculate because everyone is tired of waiting, it's meaningless. George himself has said time and time again that as soon as the book is done, he'll announce it. Don't believe anything else!

    The 'net is dark and full of rumors.
    Vasilnate1
  • How do you guys also feel about there only being 7 episodes this coming season?

    Fine with me as long as they're good and the plotting/pacing is tight. No room for "filler" episodes in a shortened season.
    Murderbear
  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky
    MrX said:

    How do you guys also feel about there only being 7 episodes this coming season?

    Fine with me as long as they're good and the plotting/pacing is tight. No room for "filler" episodes in a shortened season.
    Tell that to Scott Gimple and The Walking Dead crew! Boom! ha
  • All the ChickensAll the Chickens Birmingham, AL
    edited April 12
    I do believe GRRM is at least slightly changing some plots and likely going back to add some "shocking" twists in the finals hours; and I certainly think it's in reaction to the show and keeping his stories fresh and relevant. Buuut, I think he still plans on writing and releasing A Dream of Spring. 

    HBO and GRRM are still in the early stages of developing a prequel series inside of the ASOIAF universe, but I think GRRM's involvement will basically be to meet with the HBO bigwigs to decide on what material they'll use and who will be adapting his material (the new Dan and Dave). Then he'll take another co-executive producer title and reap the rewards. Of course, Dan and Dave won't be involved, since they are obviously wanting to do other projects after nearly a decade working on GoT. And the current actors won't be involved since it's a prequel series. 

    As a side note, I'm still hoping they go WAY back in the prequel story they choose to where viewers and book readers alike have no idea about the fates of the characters. Doing Roberts Rebellion seems pretty uninteresting to me as an entire series. I hope they at least go back to the Blackfyre Rebellion, but it would be incredible if they went back to the Andal Invasion or the Age of Heroes. All new characters and stories we know nothing about outside of a very vague mythology.
    Murderbear
  • I wouldn't believe anything that GRRM hasn't directly said himself on his blog. Everything else is just pure click bait. Don't fall for it and be a sucker. 
    Murderbear
  • Tom_ATom_A Carcosa
    not true. 

    He said on his blog last week that he still plans for 2 more books. 
    Elisa
  • akritenbrinkakritenbrink Lynnwood, WA (Seattle area)

    Even though it's fun to speculate because everyone is tired of waiting, it's meaningless. George himself has said time and time again that as soon as the book is done, he'll announce it. Don't believe anything else!

    The 'net is dark and full of rumors.

    You might be in the wrong place if speculation bothers you lol jk
    Be a human, not a machine.

    Angie Kritenbrink
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  • Even though it's fun to speculate because everyone is tired of waiting, it's meaningless. George himself has said time and time again that as soon as the book is done, he'll announce it. Don't believe anything else!

    The 'net is dark and full of rumors.

    You might be in the wrong place if speculation bothers you lol jk
    you're speculating right there!
    Murderbear
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    To the extent the show has damaged the books, it's only because he failed to release them before the show.  I would think it would be the very height of horseshit to alter his plans for the books in response to the show spoiling them.  That's one of my darkest timeline eventualities.  But it would be fascinating to cover, I guess.  From a professional stand point, it's hard to see how Game of Thrones show or book can shit the bed hard enough to affect Bald Move.  Unless this season totally sucks, people are going to be all in on the last season, and if it's great, we can feed of that, and if it is terrible, we can form the vanguard for fan anger and outrage. And season 7 would have to suck three times harder than season 5's "bad poosay" to turn people off of season 8, IMO.
    gguenotAll the Chickens
  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky

    Even though it's fun to speculate because everyone is tired of waiting, it's meaningless. George himself has said time and time again that as soon as the book is done, he'll announce it. Don't believe anything else!

    The 'net is dark and full of rumors.

    You might be in the wrong place if speculation bothers you lol jk
    Ha! No, it doesn't bother me but I'd rather speculate on what the books will be about than when they will come out. These stories pop up all the time and people get into such a fervor.
  • AdrianAdrian London
    Seems unlikely as he'd said he wasn't sure if the final book would be 1 or 2 books yet.  So going from 3 books to just 1 from an author not renowned for streamlined writing?!

    I think we'll see Winds of Winter after the final season of GoT has aired, then the final book or 2 books 5 or so years after that. Perhaps he thinks the books beginning before the TV show and ending after it show it's the main work.  Having them finishing close together would be a bit messy.  The way it is now he might as well take his time.
  • AdrianAdrian London

    To the extent the show has damaged the books, it's only because he failed to release them before the show.  I would think it would be the very height of horseshit to alter his plans for the books in response to the show spoiling them.  That's one of my darkest timeline eventualities.  But it would be fascinating to cover, I guess.  From a professional stand point, it's hard to see how Game of Thrones show or book can shit the bed hard enough to affect Bald Move.  Unless this season totally sucks, people are going to be all in on the last season, and if it's great, we can feed of that, and if it is terrible, we can form the vanguard for fan anger and outrage. And season 7 would have to suck three times harder than season 5's "bad poosay" to turn people off of season 8, IMO.

    It's hard not to react to the new books based on the TV show a little.  If major events are different I'll think he's changed it just to be different, and if it's the same it's not going to have much suspense or surprise.  

    It must be difficult to see moments like Hold the door and R+L=J shown in the show and know that to 99% of fans there'll be no surprises.  I can see why that might motivate a writer to change some of their plans.
  • Alkaid13Alkaid13 Georgia
    I'm not sure this could be possible just on the level of physics, can you imagine how many pages a combined Winds of Winter/Dream of Spring book would contain? You'd need a license to carry it since it'd double as a bludgeoning weapon.
  • Adrian said:


    It must be difficult to see moments like Hold the door and R+L=J shown in the show and know that to 99% of fans there'll be no surprises.  I can see why that might motivate a writer to change some of their plans.
    There have been major deviations from book to show already. So when the books differ from the show it's just business as usual. To say he changed it to differ from the show just isn't taking the past in consideration, and not fair.
  • AdrianAdrian London

    Adrian said:


    It must be difficult to see moments like Hold the door and R+L=J shown in the show and know that to 99% of fans there'll be no surprises.  I can see why that might motivate a writer to change some of their plans.
    There have been major deviations from book to show already. So when the books differ from the show it's just business as usual. To say he changed it to differ from the show just isn't taking the past in consideration, and not fair.
    The show hadn't gone beyond the books at all when the last book was published so it wasn't an issue.  I didn't say he had changed it in previous books, just that I can see why he might be motivated to do so in the next couple.  Plus there's scope for much more detailed nuanced endings in the books.
  • Adrian said:

    Adrian said:


    It must be difficult to see moments like Hold the door and R+L=J shown in the show and know that to 99% of fans there'll be no surprises.  I can see why that might motivate a writer to change some of their plans.
    There have been major deviations from book to show already. So when the books differ from the show it's just business as usual. To say he changed it to differ from the show just isn't taking the past in consideration, and not fair.
    The show hadn't gone beyond the books at all when the last book was published so it wasn't an issue.  I didn't say he had changed it in previous books, just that I can see why he might be motivated to do so in the next couple.  Plus there's scope for much more detailed nuanced endings in the books.
    My point is the only person that will know if he changed anything because of the show is him. The books and show have major deviations thoughout. So he can say it was his gardening process
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    edited April 25
    I feel like having the first name George curses you with becoming the worst enemy of the crazy awesome and epic intellectual property you create.
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    I just want to be famous enough that a porn parody gets made about me.
  • All the ChickensAll the Chickens Birmingham, AL
    edited April 25

    To the extent the show has damaged the books, it's only because he failed to release them before the show.  I would think it would be the very height of horseshit to alter his plans for the books in response to the show spoiling them.  That's one of my darkest timeline eventualities.  But it would be fascinating to cover, I guess.  From a professional stand point, it's hard to see how Game of Thrones show or book can shit the bed hard enough to affect Bald Move.  Unless this season totally sucks, people are going to be all in on the last season, and if it's great, we can feed of that, and if it is terrible, we can form the vanguard for fan anger and outrage. And season 7 would have to suck three times harder than season 5's "bad poosay" to turn people off of season 8, IMO.

    I don't necessarily think he would go back and re-write important plot points he willingly gave to D&D, or completely change his ending (mostly because I don't think he's given the exact details of some of end game plots to D&D). However, I think that, at least on a subconscious level, he will change some of the details the show has done that maybe he was planning on doing, especially the parts that were controversial to critics and fans. 

    *Season 5 spoiler below:

    Take Sansa's rape, for example. Many book purists are 100% positive GRRM would not do that in the book, despite being shown evidence to the contrary in the books. These fans have complained directly to GRRM on his blog page about the show screwing up his books with scenes like that, to which he actually replies to them. Let's pretend that GRRM did have plans to have Sansa married off (again) by LF as one of his plots, and it's not someone as nice as Tyrion. And let's pretend that he planned on having a tragic and somewhat graphic moment where she has to consummate her  marriage on her wedding night and she obviously doesn't want to and isn't into it. I'm not saying that this is what he had planned, but I could very much see him no longer writing it after that shit storm.

    Thing is, we would never know if he did change certain things he planned on doing, or if that was how those plots were always written in his head, aside from the 3 or 4 known reveals that D&D have stated came from GRRM. So I expect that debate to rage on after all is said and done years from now, and something GRRM and D&D will be asked about a lot in the future
  • AjasAjas Seattle, WA
    I honestly wonder if Disney ever tried to buy GRRM's book IP license and crank out Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring a year apart with a movie kicker to end it.

    "JJ Abrams Directs The Final Frost"
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