Alien Covenant - Spoilers

Was it me or was anyone else disappointed that David created the Alien? Also thought the ending was pretty shit with Daniels realizing it's David and not Walter...what's the sequel gonna be, "Alien: Experiment Fun Time with David"?

I have generally liked or loved every Alien film, including Prometheus but this is the first I was ever "meh" after seeing one.

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  • The twist was so obvious from the start, and the character stupidity is so over the top...
  • amyja89amyja89 Oxford, England
    edited May 19
    I honestly don't think it was supposed to be a twist, not a single person in my theatre thought that was Walter returning. I took it more as a Hitchcock suspense over surprise type situation, with the audience just waiting for the penny to drop for Daniels.

    I think the fundamental issue with these pre-Ripley adventures is that no matter what happens, the characters can't be quite heroic or iconic enough because we know that they don't solve the problem.

    I enjoyed Covenant for what it was, Michael Fassbender is undoubtedly the MVP, Katherine Waterston as Daniels is a forgettable heroine, nothing compared to Ripley or even Shaw, it feels like the filmmakers felt they had to pay homage to the traditional Alien character tropes when really they just wanted to have Walter/David front and center.

    Ridley Scott has said that the next movie is going to fit between Prometheus and Covenant in the timeline, showing more of David arriving on the Engineer planet and fucking up Shaw I guess.

    The main goal of these prequels was to fill in the wider Alien story, but I feel like the mythology being laid down is getting further and further away from a satisfactory explanation to the presence of the huge Space Jockey at the beginning of Alien.

    There were some awesome gory set pieces in the movie, but I definitely came out with more questions than answers.
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  • edited May 19
    amyja89 said:

    I honestly don't think it was supposed to be a twist, not a single person in my theatre thought that was Walter returning. I took it more as a Hitchcock suspense over surprise type situation, with the audience just waiting for the penny to drop for Daniels.

    I think the fundamental issue with these pre-Ripley adventures is that no matter what happens, the characters can't be quite heroic or iconic enough because we know that they don't solve the problem.

    I enjoyed Covenant for what it was, Michael Fassbender is undoubtedly the MVP, Katherine Waterston as Daniels is a forgettable heroine, nothing compared to Ripley or even Shaw, it feels like the filmmakers felt they had to pay homage to the traditional Alien character tropes when really they just wanted to have Walter/David front and center.

    Ridley Scott has said that the next movie is going to fit between Prometheus and Covenant in the timeline, showing more of David arriving on the Engineer planet and fucking up Shaw I guess.

    The main goal of these prequels was to fill in the wider Alien story, but I feel like the mythology being laid down is getting further and further away from a satisfactory explanation to the presence of the huge Space Jockey at the beginning of Alien.

    There were some awesome gory set pieces in the movie, but I definitely came out with more questions than answers.


    I'll agree that Daniels was blah as a heroine, wasn't really invested in any of them except Walter.

    My one worry is how they are going to eventually tie everything back to Alien. Obviously neither David, Daniels or Tennessee will love to get there. Knowing there are sequels I guess the ending just wasn't good at making me look forward to what comes next.
  • amyja89 said:

    I honestly don't think it was supposed to be a twist, not a single person in my theatre thought that was Walter returning. I took it more as a Hitchcock suspense over surprise type situation, with the audience just waiting for the penny to drop for Daniels.

    I think the fundamental issue with these pre-Ripley adventures is that no matter what happens, the characters can't be quite heroic or iconic enough because we know that they don't solve the problem.

    I enjoyed Covenant for what it was, Michael Fassbender is undoubtedly the MVP, Katherine Waterston as Daniels is a forgettable heroine, nothing compared to Ripley or even Shaw, it feels like the filmmakers felt they had to pay homage to the traditional Alien character tropes when really they just wanted to have Walter/David front and center.

    Ridley Scott has said that the next movie is going to fit between Prometheus and Covenant in the timeline, showing more of David arriving on the Engineer planet and fucking up Shaw I guess.

    The main goal of these prequels was to fill in the wider Alien story, but I feel like the mythology being laid down is getting further and further away from a satisfactory explanation to the presence of the huge Space Jockey at the beginning of Alien.

    There were some awesome gory set pieces in the movie, but I definitely came out with more questions than answers.


    But they most definitely tried to pass it off as a twist. They cut away from the Walter/David fight as Walter has the upper hand. Which is the part that bugged me. It was always painfully obvious what was going on, why the need to do that sort of cut?
  • WonderedObjectWonderedObject SAN Francisco, CA
    Solid "Alien" movie.
    Disappointing "Prometheus" sequel.

    I enjoyed it. It was fun and entertaining and dammit I love me some aliens. As part of the Alien universe I thought it was prettt typical. I was just disappointed with how it relates to Prometheus. But I think that is a result of my own expectations. We spent all of Prometheus wondering why these beings created humans and BOOM, fucking David obliterates them all. I gotta say, I was pretty pissed at that point. But then we got his story and it became clearer and I enjoyed the rest of the ride. I just hope we can somehow go back to who the Engineers were. I mean they clearly had a history.
    And Shaw, disappointed that she was basically useless. At least compared to the last movie.

    As to the point about the twist, I think it was summarized perfectly above. I think everyone was 99% sure that it was David for the final act. It was more of suspense building than a twist. The twist was more or less when it would be revealed to the characters. When would David reveal himself to Daniels, not us.

    If I'm being honest though, I think this might hurt the franchise. Prometheus is a hit or miss for most people because of all the questions the movie left us. As a result, this movie doesn't do a much better job. They answer some but now leave us with more questions.

  • Just got back. I enjoyed the film as an alien movie, but I have to say, I'm very disappointed. I feel like those poor souls leaving Attack of the Clones. As Star Wars Prequels, we were promised the story of how Anikan became Darth Vader, and after 2 films, we didn't have any fucking answers. I wanted these Alien prequels to answer this question: who is the guy in the chair at the beginning of Alien? I'm still waiting. Not only have they not given me a good enough answer, now apparently we'll never know, seeing as David killled them all. It's soul crushing. It should be impossible to fuck this up this bad. I actually liked Prometheus. But now, it seems completely useless. Why is it so hard for our filmmakers to connect dots to a movie that already exists? It's simple: how did Anakin become Vader. Who is the space jockie? I feel like you could ask any of the millions of fans off the streets, and they could give us a greater, more thought out answer in a few moments for free then the fucking creators did in 6+ hours and hundreds of millions of dollars. Stop making Alien movies, Ridley. What in the hell hapened to you? Where is the visionary that created: Alien, Blade Runner, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, hell, I'll even throw in The Martian to that list, it was awesome. You've made a dozen masterpieces. But it's all in the past. I can only thank God you didn't direct the upcoming BR:2049.

    Sorry about the rant, ya'll.
  • LukeLuke Central Illinois
    edited May 20
    I feel like some people just go to these movies to hate on them. Let's face it if you didn't like Prometheus and you went into this movie with your arms crossed you got what you deserved.

    Characters in the original movies were over the top. They did stupid shit. I mean these are part horror movies, part of the draw is the tension when you know something bad is going to go down.

    I for one love slower burn more realistic sci fi. Now if only we could get someone to fun a new IP with this kind of money behind it.

    Ridley Scott still has it, the scene where Walter was playing the flute with David had me at the edge of my seat.

    I also have zero problems with David creating the perfected Xenomorph. I really enjoy the irony of Wayland creating life to help him search for the meaning of his own existence which has to have some higher meaning and telling David his purpose was more or less to bring him his tea.

    I really don't see how a sequel could fit between Prometheus and this movie though. I'm not sure I need a whole film of David slowly dissecting things and falling deeper into nihilistic madness.

    Also we have all the answers we need. Humans were a fluke. We already knew in Prometheus that if it were not for the Engineers ship crashing Earth was to be rebooted with the black nano weapon.

    Now we know where the eggs came from and why they would just be stashed around the galaxy waiting for people to find them. David has full control of a colony ship full of people to turn into alien Queens.

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  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    edited May 21
    Went to Studio Movie Grill. $9 parking, $21 for 2 tickets, $100 of food and drinks - hey we lived it up. And $75 for a babysitter. Dayum. Maybe my view of the movie is slanted from just being excited to be free and out & about for a night, but overall I liked it.

    I'm not a super duper hardcore Aliens fan or Ridley Scott fan, but I'm definitely a fan. Man I liked it. I didn't even go in needing a bunch of dots connected. A few connecting threads here and there is good enough. I went in blind and didn't even know they were going to connect Prometheus so I was pleasantly surprised.

    There were some tropes that had you rolling your eyes a little bit. Just like Rogue One we had the good guy that you thought was a goner but then he comes back at the last second to save someone from death. And of course the Walter / David mix up. But everyone knew that was coming. It was a slow suspense right from the whole "step into my lair said the spider to the fly" that was done twice - them following David to that fortress, and Chris following David to those eggs.

    But all the thrills and chills were solid. A great rollercoaster ride. Big cinema. I felt like I was 8 at Universal Studios on the Aliens ride again, especially during the action-packed evacuation sequence with the crane.

    The jump scares really got me and they were not cheesy in my opinion like most jump scares can be. I think I yelled out 3 or 4 times, and that's 3 or 4 more times than my wife so yeah I'm "that guy."

    Maybe my only minor gripe I noticed myself grimacing over was when the CGI took over for the spores and they started swarming into the ear and nostril. Just an artistic choice but I thought the bokeh effect on the spores explained it plenty and looked cool. They didn't need to hand hold us with CGI mist drilling into the inner ear wall.

    Also the fingering part was hilarious. I was laughing. Some other dudes were laughing.

    And the James Franco cameo had us laughing but Mr. Franco sorta always makes me and my wife crack up with his Franco-isms ever since Freaks n Geeks! Ha ha and now I just realized Danny McBride and James Franco were in that movie.

  • ThomasThomas North Carolina
    Probably an odd man out on this, but I really liked it.  The scenes in the field at night with the burning wreckage and the neomorphs was pretty terrifying, which was a pleasant addition.

    It is sort of disappointing that the aliens were created by the engineers and David, but that doesn't ruin the originals for me (which I rank as two of my all-time favorites).  I felt like the soldiers were a silent introduction to colonial marines too.  

    All in all, I think this will be a love/hate movie, much like Prometheus was (which I enjoyed a lot).
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    Also there were some nice aesthetic nods to H. R. Giger.
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH

    And Shaw, disappointed that she was basically useless. At least compared to the last movie. 

    There is precedent for that though.  See Hicks and Newt in Alien 3.  The off screen gut punch to end all off screen gut punches.
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    I saw this movie last night.

    I didn't watch the first Alien movie until my last 20s (it's old enough that it was "old" when I was in my early teens, and not on TV much I guess, so things just never worked out) and only watched Aliens and Alien 3 a couple years ago.  So I have no nostalgia associated with them.

    However, I really enjoyed Prometheus, and was looking forward to seeing where Shaw and David ended up after the end of that movie.  Then all the back and forth about if Shaw would be in this movie kind of turned me off, but eventually I become accepting that even thought she was going to be in it, it would only be 5-10 minutes worth.

    I was disappointed, it didn't live up to Prometheus, but I guess it does fit as another generic Alien movie.  I was hoping for more Shaw, an evolved (if not completely trustworthy) David, more Engineers and more about them, and got none of that.  It wasn't terrible, just generic.
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  • CoryCory New Scotland
    anubus21 said:

    Was it me or was anyone else disappointed that David created the Alien? 

    Yes at first, but wasn't the first face hugger cut out of Shaw in Prometheus and hugged the Engineers face, and burst through his chest?  So did David create it, or just tamper with it?  Is that what he learned once he cut up Shaw?
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  • FlashGordonFlashGordon Leeds, UK
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  • LukeLuke Central Illinois
    For what it's worth Ridley Scott going back to the 70's and 80's has constantly maintained that he really isn't interested in doing another alien movie where the Xenomorph is the main focus.

    I mean the dang thing is on a ride at Disney World. It is so mass market and diluted and has been done to death. He has maintained that the more interesting story is the origin of the Space Jocky.

    So I see Covanant as the bone he had to throw to the studio that has a Xenomorph in it.

    He has already said the next movie will follow Shaw and David on their journey to the Engineer homeworld.

    Considering Michael Fastbender was probably the best part of Covenant I'm up for another film in this Universe. Basically anyone upset that this movie wasn't more like Prometheus be patient, I think that film is still coming.
  • @Cory i look at the hugger from Prometheus as the black goo hugger and the pod hugger that got Chris as the first Face Hugger we are use to. Same thing with the all white Aliens( i cant remember their name). Those were from the spores so they look different. Basically every Alien has been different until now because the source was different. Does that make sense?

    David mentioned how during all his DNA splicing etc, he never had any test subjects. So the end of Prometheus is not the first Xenomorph because it came from an Engineer and not a human.

    I hope that clears it up. It's seems like the easiest way to look at it because its the prequels.
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  • ThomasThomas North Carolina
    Cory said:

    anubus21 said:

    Was it me or was anyone else disappointed that David created the Alien? 

    Yes at first, but wasn't the first face hugger cut out of Shaw in Prometheus and hugged the Engineers face, and burst through his chest?  So did David create it, or just tamper with it?  Is that what he learned once he cut up Shaw?
    I think David tinkered with it.  I was bummed about David being the person t guided evolution to making the xenomorph, but at the end of the day it doesn't take away from the original films.  I appreciate where Ridley Scott is trying to go, it is a ballsy move that is love/hate. 
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