The Keepers on Netflix

ThomasThomas North Carolina
edited May 21 in Other TV
Anybody watch this yet?  I think it could have been 5 episodes instead of 7, but it is an extremely important look into cover-ups by the Catholic church of sexual abuse and the corruption level of the Baltimore police department.  I would recommend it.  It doesn't have the biased entertainment value of Making a Murder, but it is more truthful and relevant. 

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  • aberry89aberry89 California
    Watched it, all in one day. Utterly fantastic, I think better and far more important than Netflix's previous crime doc Marking A Murderer. And I hope it gets just as much press and popularity as that one because it deserves it. After the Spotlight reveal of the Catholic Church back in the 90's I had thought that the church had made huge changes to its practices to not let this continue - and devastatingly, it seems little has changed. Perhaps, hopefully less abuse is gotten away with within the church nowadays, but the utter denial of past abuse is so fucking infuriating and astounding to me. Everyone knows your goddamn secret now guys, you have no face left to save. 

    Seeing all these incredible women, from the nun's old students who started their own investigation, to the victims who came out, to the nun who was first and only one to stand up for the girls, made me so happy and proud. It is horrible that THEY had to do all this work that police should have been doing, but to see their resilience was amazing. And it made the abuse, murder and guilt the women had to go through tolerable. Although, barely. I for sure had to take breaks from this and just go outside and walk around because I don't think i have been so angry in a while. You can't comprehend how there are people in this world that are that evil.


    There is so much more I want to say - about how EASILY this murder case could have been solved and the UTTER incompetence and cowardice to stand up the catholic church from the Baltimore police was shocking.  but, i will wait for more people to give thier take on this thread
    Thomasphoenyx1023
    “No time to squabble Troy, for Greendale on THREE! One, two- Jeff, every second counts. For Greendale on TWO! One-"
  • ThomasThomas North Carolina
    I agree with everything you said.  I think this first season will generate enough attention that it opens up resources, gets more people to talk, and new evidence comes forward, which will lead to a second season hopefully.  It is infuriating seeing the Catholic church lie and manipulate people in order to cover up just a single priest from Baltimore's acts.  

    I saw yesterday that the church came out and made public comments on the story, but the comments were just like the ones in the documentary, pointless.
  • aberry89aberry89 California
    Yeah, I saw that too. I just don't understand how a church, a religious institution does not know how to ask for forgiveness when they have wronged so many. 


    The church and the police  are to blame here though. I still really wonder about the other girl that was murdered after Cathy. It was exactly the same MO with the car parked out in front and everything... what the hell was going on there? Was that not the priest's call, but simply the man, (or men) that did it trying out another murder? I really wish that had been solved... I kind of wish the series had gone into the murder and trying to solve the case as far as they did with the church abuse - but I guess you kind of have to choose a path since there is so much to uncover. 

    But hey, at least something good happened - C.T. Wilson got his proposal to lengthen the statute of limitations of abuse for victims. They now have until they are 38 years old to allege a abuser. I still have major problems with statute of limitations and how lax they are with rape and molestation. We know now know how emotionally and mentally damaging that violence is - so the fact that is there is a statute at all is still pretty horrible in my opinion. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-abuse-statute-20170315-story.html

    I couldnt help think of the Wire a lot while watching this show, with it taking place in Baltimore and everything. It's been awhile since I've seen it, but i feel like The Wire could have devoted a whole season to church corruption and how much sway it holds the it's police force and jurisdiction (they may have, but i just can't remember).
    “No time to squabble Troy, for Greendale on THREE! One, two- Jeff, every second counts. For Greendale on TWO! One-"
  • MichaelGMichaelG Seattle
    This documentary series is excellent. I ate too much fiber the other day, so I just sat around and watched The Keepers and felt uncomfortable and upset about everything. 
    phoenyx1023

  • amyja89amyja89 Oxford, England
    Watched the first two episodes this evening, the second episode about all of the abuse victims was a tough watch.

    As somebody who still has a mark on her wrist from being hit by nuns for writing left-handed at Sunday school (in the 90s ffs!), it's fair to say that my relationship with the Catholic Church isn't great. From what the two eps have shown me so far, though, it seems like Sister Cathy was one of the few good ones.
    aberry89
  • aberry89aberry89 California
    Why did the Spotlight article really blow the lid of the whole abuse issue in the catholic church, and this didn't?? This court case happened before Spotlight was written??
    “No time to squabble Troy, for Greendale on THREE! One, two- Jeff, every second counts. For Greendale on TWO! One-"
  • amyja89amyja89 Oxford, England
    I just finished the series.

    I'm sorry, can we talk about the fact that Koob alleges a cop literally presented him with Sister Cathy's surgically removed VAGINA in an interrogation room? What in the living fuck?
  • ThomasThomas North Carolina
    amyja89 said:

    I just finished the series.


    I'm sorry, can we talk about the fact that Koob alleges a cop literally presented him with Sister Cathy's surgically removed VAGINA in an interrogation room? What in the living fuck?
    I found that extremely hard to believe.  I really, really hope he was making it up.  
  • amyja89amyja89 Oxford, England
    Thomas said:

    amyja89 said:

    I just finished the series.


    I'm sorry, can we talk about the fact that Koob alleges a cop literally presented him with Sister Cathy's surgically removed VAGINA in an interrogation room? What in the living fuck?
    I found that extremely hard to believe.  I really, really hope he was making it up.  
    I literally don't even know what to think about it. Were the cops using some sort of prop trying to fuck with a seemingly celibate man of God to see if he would snap and confess something?

    There was something about Koob in those last few eps that really rubbed me the wrong way.

  • aberry89aberry89 California
    edited June 5
    amyja89 said:

    Thomas said:

    amyja89 said:

    I just finished the series.


    I'm sorry, can we talk about the fact that Koob alleges a cop literally presented him with Sister Cathy's surgically removed VAGINA in an interrogation room? What in the living fuck?
    I found that extremely hard to believe.  I really, really hope he was making it up.  
    I literally don't even know what to think about it. Were the cops using some sort of prop trying to fuck with a seemingly celibate man of God to see if he would snap and confess something?

    There was something about Koob in those last few eps that really rubbed me the wrong way.

    I think the cop fucking with him was exactly what was going on there. Although why the doc didint question or investigate that claim more thoroughly, but just left it hanging there was INFURIATING!!

    I never suspected Noob. I think his personality is reserved and quiet and people are getting rubbed wrong by that instead of what says and the facts. Also, when he did eventually marry, he told his wife all about her and how she died. I have read a bit of true crime in my day, and when murders remarry they almost never share that info. They cut, run and restart. I think he did have a sexual relationship with her though, and was really scared of that being revealed, even after all these years. Not for his sake, but for protecting her memory. Also with the mountain of evidence that the clergy had the cops in their back pocket makes me feel it was probably done by someone on that side. 

    Also, they guy with the room lined with stuffed animals ----- YAAA MURDERER. ya murderer for sure. The way he fucked with the documentarian and evaded his questions was so suspect. 

    amyja89Thomas
    “No time to squabble Troy, for Greendale on THREE! One, two- Jeff, every second counts. For Greendale on TWO! One-"
  • trippytrippy Saint Louis
    So I finally geared up to watch this.   2 episodes in.  What the actual fuck.   I will never understand how the Church's existence is justified.  How are they allowed to operate here in the states or anywhere is beyond me.    I'm trying to think of any other business, if they were guilty of doing 1/4 of the shit the church has done, they would be dismantled and sued and prosecuted out of existence.   

    This is one of those situations where I'm not liking watching this, but I have to.  
    _____
    Nothing says 'This situation is serious' like a corpse on the floor.
    -Anon.
  • aberry89aberry89 California
    I will never understand how the Church's existence is justified.  


    One word  - money.

    “No time to squabble Troy, for Greendale on THREE! One, two- Jeff, every second counts. For Greendale on TWO! One-"
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    edited July 20
    I'm 2 episodes in. Actually I stopped it after half of the 1st episode cause it was so damn slow and boring. "Don't bore us, get to the chorus!"

    But I googled to see if anyone else thought the same. Many did but many then said episode 2 is when they finally reveal it all and it will leave you shuddering. So I finished out ep1, then went into 2. Yep. Fucked up. Super fucked up. So now I'm invested and want this team to crack the case and expose it all.

    This show was "my homework" given to me by a colleague at work. Said I had to watch it if I liked Making a Murderer.

    Also I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school and rebelled my way out of both. Some sinister shit in that religion.
  • I'm 3 in - will get a few more over the weekend.  Enjoying it.  Baltimore sure seems to have a lot of stories.
    So what? No f*kin ziti now?
  • trippytrippy Saint Louis
    aberry89 said:

    I will never understand how the Church's existence is justified.  


    One word  - money.

    @trippy
    I guess... but it seems deeper than that.   Maybe I don't get what sort of evil pure greed can get you.  It just doesn't seem evil enough. 
    _____
    Nothing says 'This situation is serious' like a corpse on the floor.
    -Anon.
  • aberry89aberry89 California
    I guess a better answer is power. Absolute, and believed to be divinely given. It's super dangerous to convince someone they are endowed with that power. 

    Power is how is starts, money is how it sustains. The church can beat down any trail, suspicion, or victim by throwing money at it. 

    trippyThomas
    “No time to squabble Troy, for Greendale on THREE! One, two- Jeff, every second counts. For Greendale on TWO! One-"
  • ThomasThomas North Carolina
    aberry89 said:

    I guess a better answer is power. Absolute, and believed to be divinely given. It's super dangerous to convince someone they are endowed with that power. 


    Power is how is starts, money is how it sustains. The church can beat down any trail, suspicion, or victim by throwing money at it. 

    The church has always had a history of wanting power.  That's why they hated Martin Luther so much, he helped translate the bible so the common folk could read it and see that the church had been lying to them most of the time in order to control them.  It doesn't help that we are slowly moving away from secularism in politics.
  • aberry89aberry89 California
    But nothing is so cut and dry. Martin Luther may a wanted to bring the Bible to the people and he did, but then because people are people, they took the script and started twisting it to what they wanted.  (There is a FANTASTIC hardcore history podcast episode about basically worst case scenario of this "Prophets of Doom" Talks about the mad prophet of Munster, Germany). 

    So many sects broke off because now people could interpret text any way they choose - great if you want to have a personal relationship with god - bad if you have the drive of a cult leader.

    trippy
    “No time to squabble Troy, for Greendale on THREE! One, two- Jeff, every second counts. For Greendale on TWO! One-"
  • trippytrippy Saint Louis
    Thomas said:

    aberry89 said:

    I guess a better answer is power. Absolute, and believed to be divinely given. It's super dangerous to convince someone they are endowed with that power. 


    Power is how is starts, money is how it sustains. The church can beat down any trail, suspicion, or victim by throwing money at it. 

    The church has always had a history of wanting power.  That's why they hated Martin Luther so much, he helped translate the bible so the common folk could read it and see that the church had been lying to them most of the time in order to control them.  It doesn't help that we are slowly moving away from secularism in politics.
    _slowly_ moving away from secularism?  Was there ever a time we were moving toward it?  Granted I can only speak to US politics with any degree of certainty. 
    _____
    Nothing says 'This situation is serious' like a corpse on the floor.
    -Anon.
  • ThomasThomas North Carolina
    trippy said:

    Thomas said:

    aberry89 said:

    I guess a better answer is power. Absolute, and believed to be divinely given. It's super dangerous to convince someone they are endowed with that power. 


    Power is how is starts, money is how it sustains. The church can beat down any trail, suspicion, or victim by throwing money at it. 

    The church has always had a history of wanting power.  That's why they hated Martin Luther so much, he helped translate the bible so the common folk could read it and see that the church had been lying to them most of the time in order to control them.  It doesn't help that we are slowly moving away from secularism in politics.
    _slowly_ moving away from secularism?  Was there ever a time we were moving toward it?  Granted I can only speak to US politics with any degree of certainty. 
    We have always been moving towards secularism.  Just look at women being able to be pro-choice, you can be put in jail for praying for your kids to get better instead of bringing them to the hospital, gays can get married, and businesses can't discriminate based on religious beliefs.  Now, with this administration (not to talk politics) you are seeing a slow creep backwards because we have so many religious fanatics in the White House.
  • trippytrippy Saint Louis
    Thomas said:

    trippy said:

    Thomas said:

    aberry89 said:

    I guess a better answer is power. Absolute, and believed to be divinely given. It's super dangerous to convince someone they are endowed with that power. 


    Power is how is starts, money is how it sustains. The church can beat down any trail, suspicion, or victim by throwing money at it. 

    The church has always had a history of wanting power.  That's why they hated Martin Luther so much, he helped translate the bible so the common folk could read it and see that the church had been lying to them most of the time in order to control them.  It doesn't help that we are slowly moving away from secularism in politics.
    _slowly_ moving away from secularism?  Was there ever a time we were moving toward it?  Granted I can only speak to US politics with any degree of certainty. 
    We have always been moving towards secularism.  Just look at women being able to be pro-choice, you can be put in jail for praying for your kids to get better instead of bringing them to the hospital, gays can get married, and businesses can't discriminate based on religious beliefs.  Now, with this administration (not to talk politics) you are seeing a slow creep backwards because we have so many religious fanatics in the White House.
    I think we simply have different views on what moving towards or away from secularism means.  Whether its opting out of vaccinations for religious reasons, "faith based" initiatives, "evolving views" on gay marriage,  the so called "war on christmas" I'm not seeing this slow creep backwards, it seems a lot speedier to me.  Something might go forward, 3 things go backward, and looks like a wierd amoeba.  

     
    _____
    Nothing says 'This situation is serious' like a corpse on the floor.
    -Anon.
  • ThomasThomas North Carolina
    trippy said:

    Thomas said:

    trippy said:

    Thomas said:

    aberry89 said:

    I guess a better answer is power. Absolute, and believed to be divinely given. It's super dangerous to convince someone they are endowed with that power. 


    Power is how is starts, money is how it sustains. The church can beat down any trail, suspicion, or victim by throwing money at it. 

    The church has always had a history of wanting power.  That's why they hated Martin Luther so much, he helped translate the bible so the common folk could read it and see that the church had been lying to them most of the time in order to control them.  It doesn't help that we are slowly moving away from secularism in politics.
    _slowly_ moving away from secularism?  Was there ever a time we were moving toward it?  Granted I can only speak to US politics with any degree of certainty. 
    We have always been moving towards secularism.  Just look at women being able to be pro-choice, you can be put in jail for praying for your kids to get better instead of bringing them to the hospital, gays can get married, and businesses can't discriminate based on religious beliefs.  Now, with this administration (not to talk politics) you are seeing a slow creep backwards because we have so many religious fanatics in the White House.
    I think we simply have different views on what moving towards or away from secularism means.  Whether its opting out of vaccinations for religious reasons, "faith based" initiatives, "evolving views" on gay marriage,  the so called "war on christmas" I'm not seeing this slow creep backwards, it seems a lot speedier to me.  Something might go forward, 3 things go backward, and looks like a wierd amoeba.  

     
    I think the argument is the speed at which we are moving.  But I think social media is making it hard to step back too fast.  Women can still get abortions, gays can still get married, and more people are identifying as agnostic or atheist than ever before.  Once this administration is gone, I think the movement forward will happen fast, especially when all the old hardcore conservative types start passing away.
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