American Gods - 104 - Git Gone (No Book Spoilers)

DaveyMacDaveyMac Tokyo
edited May 21 in Other TV
Dir. Craig Zobel
Writ. Bryan Fuller and Michael Green
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  • kingbee67kingbee67 Los Angeles Ca.
    It was great, maybe the best single episode of a show I've seen this year.
    pavlovsbellhypergenesb
  • Excellent episode and best of the season.
    pavlovsbell
  • Dane Cook a.k.a. Robbie a.k.a. the giant dick.  Well done, Fuller.
    Jovial_Falconpavlovsbell
  • We are spoiled by Jim and A.Ron. I can't find a good podcast for this show. I don't like the 'top 3 moments' style of podcastica and a few others and I find the one or two who actually recap it to be annoying. 

    Any suggestions?
  • fidozfidoz Houston
    I really hated this episode. I found it excessively boring. I had to restrain myself from fast forwarding. I also thought the Laura Moon character was incredibly unlikeable. 
    Elisa
  • fidozfidoz Houston
    Let me modify that statement. I hated about 85% of this episode. 
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    @daveh  I don't like the "top 3 moments" gimmick, either, but I like the hosts. I like The Dominant Paradigm, and the Shat On TV podcast is okay.

    I really liked this episode. I'm glad the show fleshed out Laura's character and expanded her role from just being the dead wife trope. I have more sympathy for her now knowing that she was suffering from depression and looking for relief in all the wrong places. I liked the contrast between her experience with Anubis and that of Mrs. Fadil. I loved the scenes between Laura and Audrey. I liked the whole Jacquel and Ibis funeral parlor thing -- was not expecting that. And I'm glad to get an answer for who saved Shadow in 101. Although this raises more questions for me: 

    1. Is Shadow's glowiness something only for Laura, or is there something supernatural about Shadow (a question I've had from the beginning)? I mean, there has to be something special about Shadow; otherwise, why is Wednesday so interested in him?  

    2. Ravens were all over this episode. Does that imply that Wednesday manipulated events, or merely that he was keeping an eye on things. (haha)

    3. Laura has found her purpose now, and Anubis said that once her "job" is done, he will usher her to her darkness, but what exactly is her job? To protect Shadow?
    DaveyMac
  • 1. Is Shadow's glowiness something only for Laura, or is there something supernatural about Shadow (a question I've had from the beginning)? I mean, there has to be something special about Shadow; otherwise, why is Wednesday so interested in him?  

    I just assumed that Laura sees shadow as a gold beacon because Shadow is the one who resurrected her with the gold coin, but we might get more answers later.
    KingKobrapavlovsbell
  • I thought this episode was almost entirely pointless. It's like the type of filler episode you'd see on [THE SHOW THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED] back when they had to fill 24 episodes per season.

    The only meaningful information I can recall being laid out is establishing her role of protecting Shadow, but that could've been very easily done in a single scene. 

    Did we really need an entire episode dedicated to back story to understand she was depressed? Her husband was in prison while she cucked him with a neighbor, and didn't stop even so close to him finally getting out of prison. We got all that from the pilot episode, I don't see how knowing why she's basically responsible for him going to prison is worth a whole episode? 

    Am I really the only one that sees this episode as very The Walking Dead-esq? (no pun intended)
    fidozElisa
  • edited May 23
    @ghm3 I'm watching this with no knowledge of the book, so when I see Emily Browning, I'm assuming she'll have a big role and this episode was important in establishing her character.  You say pointless... but when she appeared in episode 3, I had no idea she was a zombie with a detached arm who made an impression on Death himself.  It also introduced the concept that she can "track" Shadow because she sees some kind of light in him.  And that it was actually her shredding the pixelated goons, which suggests some kind of God-super strength.  Come to think of it, this episode was pretty important.  And beautiful.  The car crash was done better than most movies that try the same thing.

    I think it also served to humanize Shadow.  He's been the primary complaint so far, just a moody little bitch with no personality.  But he's pretty clearly a different person here.  Although it's a little obvious, you can see how prison and Laura's death sucked (no pun) the life right out of him.
    KingKobrapavlovsbellDaveyMac
  • @GredalBee True enough, but that didn't require an entire dedicated episode. All of those things could have been very easily accomplished in a fraction of the time. At the very least the main plot could've been kept moving forward in a B plot, but instead two consecutive episodes ended at the very same moment. With different perspective sure, I get that that's the point, but I thought it was too labored. 

    I don't remember the book super clearly but there's certainly been some re-writings; I suspect having Laura save Shadow this early was done to cut out/truncate a middle plot from the book which would make a lot of sense. Unfortunately it's looking like they're going to entirely cut out my favorite part of the book, or maybe push to season 2 if there is one.
  • ghm3 said:

    @GredalBee True enough, but that didn't require an entire dedicated episode. All of those things could have been very easily accomplished in a fraction of the time. At the very least the main plot could've been kept moving forward in a B plot, but instead two consecutive episodes ended at the very same moment. With different perspective sure, I get that that's the point, but I thought it was too labored. 


    I don't remember the book super clearly but there's certainly been some re-writings; I suspect having Laura save Shadow this early was done to cut out/truncate a middle plot from the book which would make a lot of sense. Unfortunately it's looking like they're going to entirely cut out my favorite part of the book, or maybe push to season 2 if there is one.
    How do we know it doesn't require an entire episode? Now if you are brinnging book bias in, that's one thing, but I guess for me with no knowledge of the book, it laid out Laura's character and explained what she did to get to where she was. If all of a sudden she was some supernatural bad ass zombie that had the respect of Death himself people would go WTF, how did that happen. We needed to see her side of events in order to accept future action/motivation. Instead of breaking that up between episodes they got it all out of the way so that they can move forward with the story without people going yeah, there is no way she can do xyz.

    BTW Season 2 was greenlit 2 weeks ago or so ;)
    pavlovsbellDaveyMac
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    So this is Neil Gaiman's favorite episode:

    In Season 1 of American Gods, Fuller, Green, Gaiman, and company are still trying to figure out exactly what American Gods the TV show looks like. But while the first three episodes have been filled with peaks and valleys, scenes translated word-for-word from the page and flights of show-invented fantasy, in Episode 4, the whole grand experiment comes together. Gaiman agrees. He told Vanity Fair via phone call that this episode, centered on Shadow’s wife Laura Moon (Emily Browning), is his very favorite. Gaiman fanatics may be shocked to realize it contains almost nothing from the source novel.

    That’s not exactly true. Gaiman says a lot of what we learn about this backstory episode focused on Laura is “implicit” in his text. Still he agrees that the show finally feels liberated in this lengthy exploration of a woman who got something of short shrift in the novel.

    [...]

    Laura is our female lead, and the joy of the TV show is they can do all the stuff I couldn’t do in the novel. In the book, I was kind of stuck in Shadow’s head, doling out information as he gave it to you. There’s so much you never got, and Laura—who she was and how she got there—seemed like this wonderful opportunity to do something the book couldn’t.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/american-gods-season-1-episode-4-git-gone-laura-neil-gaiman-recap



    DaveyMac
  • I found the 1st half quite slow and boring - It kinda picked up when zombie Laura returns.

    Sort of turned into a comedy for a while. Audrey’s reaction to seeing Laura was priceless. It was 
    worth watching this episode just for that.
  • @KingKobra I don't feel like I'm bringing book bias in because honestly I don't feel like I remember all that much of it, it tended to meander and while that was intentional it almost lost me a few times. On the other hand the only reason I started watching the show is because of the book so I guess it could be coloring my impression w/o me realizing it, I dunno. 
  • @daveh  I don't like the "top 3 moments" gimmick, either, but I like the hosts. I like The Dominant Paradigm, and the Shat On TV podcast is okay.

    Thanks. I'll give the Dominant Paradigm a shot for e05. 

    And I agree, I'm fine with the hosts on Podcastica, I just wish they'd recap and dig a bit deeper. Shat On is not my favorite.. I gave them a shot during Legion and didn't love it. 

    pavlovsbell
  • aberry89aberry89 California
    Whole time I thought she was calling him "Papi"...and I was so confused why this white girl was calling him that (like is he half spanish or mexican...wtf)

    But it's PUPPY.  Don't know if that's any better...
    KingKobrapavlovsbellGredalBee
  • aberry89 said:

    Whole time I thought she was calling him "Papi"...and I was so confused why this white girl was calling him that (like is he half spanish or mexican...wtf)


    But it's PUPPY.  Don't know if that's any better...
    Many girls/women use that slang term... I do agree with you though, I though the same thing (her saying Papi not puppy).
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    aberry89 said:

    Whole time I thought she was calling him "Papi"...and I was so confused why this white girl was calling him that (like is he half spanish or mexican...wtf)


    But it's PUPPY.  Don't know if that's any better...
    I thought she was saying "Papi" also. "Puppy"? Bleh.
  • aberry89 said:

    Whole time I thought she was calling him "Papi"...and I was so confused why this white girl was calling him that (like is he half spanish or mexican...wtf)


    But it's PUPPY.  Don't know if that's any better...
    Now I have to go back and watch again cuz I was almost certain she was saying "papi." I assumed she was Latina.
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    Yeah, apparently she started calling him "puppy" after she said he looked like a lost puppy when she told him that she didn't believe in anything. But then Audrey called her out on it by telling Laura that Shadow loved her, but she treated him like a pet. "There's a reason you called him "Puppy." That made it even worse than being just a shmoopy term of endearment.
    Elisa
  • aberry89aberry89 California
    edited May 25

    aberry89 said:

    Whole time I thought she was calling him "Papi"...and I was so confused why this white girl was calling him that (like is he half spanish or mexican...wtf)


    But it's PUPPY.  Don't know if that's any better...
    Now I have to go back and watch again cuz I was almost certain she was saying "papi." I assumed she was Latina.
     By looking at her, I thought, now way did they cast Emily Browning to play a Latina...lol  
  • edited May 25
    @pavlovsbell I'm sure you're with me in enjoying a new Hannibal face appearing each episode. My favorite killer of the week from S1 was in this one. I can't remember his character name in this show though.
    pavlovsbell
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    @Jovial_Falcon  Oh yeah! He's playing Mr. Ibis here -- he's also the one writing the Coming to America stories. I think they showed that in the first episode? One of my favorite killers (and actors) will show up at some point, not sure when. (Jeremy Davies, who was Peter, the animal lover in S2. I used to have, "Peter, is your social worker in that horse?" as my signature here.)
    Jovial_Falcon
  • Y'all can't even imagine the gush-fest if Mads or Hugh shows up.
    pavlovsbellJovial_Falcon
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    GredalBee said:

    Y'all can't even imagine the gush-fest if Mads or Hugh shows up.

    See, I thought Hugh would have been perfect as Jesus, but he cut his beautiful curls. I am 1000% fine with whom they ended up casting.

    Mads seems super busy, but he would be amazing as a Norse god. 
  • All the ChickensAll the Chickens Birmingham, AL
    edited May 26
    This was my favorite episode so far, because it felt like the episode with the most coherent plot, and the most answers we've gotten so far. I really enjoyed seeing things from Laura Moon's POV. I'm also more convinced than ever that Odin/Mr. Wednesday engineered Shadow Moon's arrest and Laura Moon's death. Laura was convinced that someone had to rat on them, and Odins crows were spying on her and following her and Robbie when they got in the car to take their last drive.

     I read where this was Bryan Fuller and Gaimans favorite episode as well, and I can see why.
    Elisa
  • All the ChickensAll the Chickens Birmingham, AL
    Also, I cant wait to see Gillian Anderson as David Bowie. Playing Lucille Ball and David Bowie i the same show is quite the credits for one actress.
  • Doctor_NickDoctor_Nick Terminus
    Yes, none of this was in the original version of the book I read (there's an author's edit). I liked what they did here.

    Ironically, for this Laura centric episode, I think it actually gives Shadow more agency in his relationship with Laura than what was in the book. It also gives Shadow more backstory in general (running the bad con in the casino).

    So this is Neil Gaiman's favorite episode:


    In Season 1 of American Gods, Fuller, Green, Gaiman, and company are still trying to figure out exactly what American Gods the TV show looks like. But while the first three episodes have been filled with peaks and valleys, scenes translated word-for-word from the page and flights of show-invented fantasy, in Episode 4, the whole grand experiment comes together. Gaiman agrees. He told Vanity Fair via phone call that this episode, centered on Shadow’s wife Laura Moon (Emily Browning), is his very favorite. Gaiman fanatics may be shocked to realize it contains almost nothing from the source novel.

    That’s not exactly true. Gaiman says a lot of what we learn about this backstory episode focused on Laura is “implicit” in his text. Still he agrees that the show finally feels liberated in this lengthy exploration of a woman who got something of short shrift in the novel.

    [...]

    Laura is our female lead, and the joy of the TV show is they can do all the stuff I couldn’t do in the novel. In the book, I was kind of stuck in Shadow’s head, doling out information as he gave it to you. There’s so much you never got, and Laura—who she was and how she got there—seemed like this wonderful opportunity to do something the book couldn’t.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/american-gods-season-1-episode-4-git-gone-laura-neil-gaiman-recap



  • All the ChickensAll the Chickens Birmingham, AL
    It certainly showed that Shadown once had a personality.
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