ajknick said:If I were to criticize the final season Id say Boyd has been a little too "yeehah" good ol boy and Sam Elliot is not quite the arch baddie I hoped for. Choo choo was fantastic, I can't imagine sea bass being a serious menace going forward. Maybe Ty will recover enough to make an impact on the end game.
If I were to criticize the final season Id say Boyd has been a little too "yeehah" good ol boy and Sam Elliot is not quite the arch baddie I hoped for. Choo choo was fantastic, I can't imagine sea bass being a serious menace going forward. Maybe Ty will recover enough to make an impact on the end game.
A_Ron_Hubbard said:Man, Boyd getting out the 95 Pappy was awesome.
Man, Boyd getting out the 95 Pappy was awesome.
Original_Joseph said:2) It would be funny if that's how Ava caught on to Boyd: "THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS RAZORBACK SEASON, YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!"
I did really like this episode, but as much as I liked it there was something that felt not quite optimal that I couldn't put my finger on until I was listening to the Holler Back Podcast this morning on my drive into work and the "yeah, that's it." feeling kicked in. So, this is built on a couple of things that Ryan Magee said (particularly the bottle episode comment that was the real "light bulb" moment), but here is my take.
I kind of wish this had been mostly a Boyd and Ava bottle episode. Those scenes were so rich and so powerful, and that arc is so important that I honestly believe that you could have spent almost all of the episode with them. Building the tension even thicker and thicker to get to that amazing payoff with the gun and the (was it) forgiveness. As much time as they did spend with them and as much as it was incredibly effective it still felt a little rushed. As much as I loved the Art v. Avery scene and the Ty vs. dumb frat guys scenes, as well as most of the rest of the episode I mostly just wanted to be spending my time with Boyd and Ava. I was just totally sucked into what was happening there and wanted more of it, and I believe there was plenty of room.
Also, the other aspect of this that comes from Ryan Magee that I hadn't thought of but agreed with was that the stuff with Ty may have been even more effective if we had a week to let his situation breathe. You could still quickly set up the manhunt at the beginning of the episode as they did and pick up next week in more or less the same situation and move Art vs. Markham there and it could still play out just as effectively. I guess like I said, I really enjoyed those aspects, and I wanted to see all of it take place but it all kind of felt like getting away from where I wanted to be.
The third thing that I am probably on an island with between the HB cast and the comments here, I wasn't a big fan of bringing Wynona and the baby to KY. As much as the scenes were good and the baby was adorable and Raylan bringing the baby to the office was great, etc. I feel like all of this "you be you and we can still be us" and Raylan buying back into them... I don't know it just waters things down for me. I want Wynona and the baby and Florida to be this concept not something tangible. Something on Skype, not something in his hotel room. I think it hurts what they've been building. Of course, next week's episode could happen and it could make all of this perfect and I have no reason to doubt the Justified team, but I liked the whole point being about his life as an obsessed marshal at odds with stepping up to be a father, not him "getting back to Wynona." Maybe the whole "on again, off again" thing feels a little trite, maybe it feels like that relationship has just run its course and should be in the past, maybe it's just too pretty and clean (whether it plays out as a hallmark ending or a tragedy). I enjoyed the scenes they put in front of me, but when I woke up this morning and was thinking about the episode it just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. I feel like the point is his daughter, not Wynona. Too clean and too bow tied with pretty wrapping. Justified is about messy and complicated and this feels too rushed and unrealistic. I'm sitting here and it is making me thing of Maggie and Doodle-Bug as far as things being weird and contrived and I just don't really like it.
That's a lot of bitching considering the fact that I did really enjoy the episode and that I had a blast watching it, but like I said it felt not optimized, and as much as I liked the Raylan and Wynona stuff if you look at this episode in a vacuum it still feels very problematic.
Also, because I feel like maybe I came off as bitching too much considering how great this show is I also wanted to praise the show in the fact that this is an amazing season. My wife and I have been watching the last season of Cougar Town and feeling like it isn't clicking like it should and has in the past and reflecting on the planned last seasons of other shows that we have watched and their shortcomings and we are both so impressed by this show and Parks and Recreation for ending so amazingly strong. It's so wonderful that we get to go out on one of the best Parks seasons in the show's run, and perhaps (assuming things play out as strongly as they have and I'm confident that they will) maybe Justified's best season (bold statement, sure, but damn this season has been great). Props and kudos and respect and hell yeah!
******* Edit to my post above******
Unfortunately, it's too late to edit my initial post, but I'll do it here (so as to not make a third). Maybe the manhunt stuff is fine in this episode and I get that you need the excuse of Wynona to keep Raylan out of the fray (and for him to get the call about her being at the cabin where he elects to do nothing) but maybe I just wanted the episode to be Boyd and Ava and the Ty/Avery plots without the Wynona and Raylan stuff. Maybe that's just where it ends. I really, really liked the Avery and Ty lines and they did fit well. I just wanted more time with Boyd and Ava and I wanted their situation to breathe and build more. Take a little more time. Combine that with the complaints I had about the Wynona and Raylan stuff and you land at my feelings on the episode. Sorry I'm a little scattered on this, but I've done my employed the disservice of doing a lot of thinking about Justified this morning.
Yeah, I like how the big honest moment with Boyd and Ava was totally just a surface event. We are still at a point where we have no idea what either of their real motivations are. It's clear that neither of them fully trusts the other, and we as the audience can't even be sure what their intentions for each other are. I like this a lot. That scene played out perfectly. The hugs and the looks and Boyd's switched clip. If I were guess, I think that they were being more or less honest with the sort of "back to square one catharsis" of a conversation, and the gun was just a test and Ava still really does love Boyd and vice versa, but we can't say for sure. They could totally, and have that scene as basis make this whole thing go any way they want to from here. I think that's a good thing too. I like how this show keeps you on your toes.
The one thing that I do disagree with a bit though is that I don't think they've made Ava helpless (in this season at least, season 5 was a total mess for her character on so many levels), I think they have put her in an amazingly difficult and incredibly dangerous situation. I believe there is a difference. I actually think she has shown a bit of cunning, but I also imagine the toll it would take to be in her spot. The mixture of danger and emotional turmoil. I wouldn't call her helpless, just very torn and wanting very badly to survive.
JerryB said:I got the feeling that Ty's bathroom surgery was a wink at Terminator. Dillahunt played the Terminator in SCC.
I got the feeling that Ty's bathroom surgery was a wink at Terminator. Dillahunt played the Terminator in SCC.
@Emily I totally agree about Wynn Duffy. He's probably my favorite non Boyd or Raylan Justified fixture (at least depending on how you define "fixture." Dickie Bennett is pretty fabulous). Kind of like Jim and A.Ron were saying I came into this season thinking that Wynn and Mikey would end up driving off into the sunset. I just think Wynn is a survivor. Nothing would surprise me, but if I were to place a bet that's where I'd go (at least Wynn, I give Mikey a 50/50 chance).
One concern I have about Wynona's return is that I am now about 95% certain that they are going to put her in jeopardy and it just all feels too convenient. I also may not have been the biggest Wynona/Raylan coupling fan anyway, but that aside it just doesn't feel right. It doesn't make sense from her perspective. I mean she leaves him for not being a real participant in their relationship and then he proceeds to not see his daughter for months and then she comes up to Kentucky to come get him back. I love Justified and I'm sure they'll make it right, but I feel like this whole situation is convenient and problematic (which is funny because in general I'm a really big belief suspension guy, but I guess I'm also pretty big on good shows being true to their characters). Like A.Ron has been known to say, I kind of hear the typewriters clicking here and I hate that with Justified because I feel like they're just better than that. I should have more faith though. I'm sure that I'll probably be totally wrong and have to eat my words in the end.
I totally agree with everything else. I can't wait to see Ty vs. Avery. Man, Dillahunt is KILLING it this season. He's so fun to watch. It's also funny because I was a big Raising Hope fan and it's pretty hilarious to see Burt Chance killing people and threatening dumb frat guys in such an incredibly awesome and bad ass manner.
JerryB said:@Travis My wife and I enjoyed the SCC series quite a bit. I only watched it while it was on, so I don't know if it will stand the test of time. It certainly wasn't perfect.Then I watched 'Raising Hope', and Dillahunt's Burt character made me laugh out loud. It really was my kind of humor. Justified and Looper caps it for me, I am a Dillahunt fan and I hope he is around for awhile.
@Travis My wife and I enjoyed the SCC series quite a bit. I only watched it while it was on, so I don't know if it will stand the test of time. It certainly wasn't perfect.
You and me both, man. He was the best part of Raising Hope, which was a show with a whole lot of great parts. That's one of my favorite sitcoms. I really have to check out SCC. I just can't picture him as the Terminator, but I'm sure he was really awesome at it. So intriguing.
Also, I've only seen far enough to see one of his characters in Deadwood, but he was great in that too. Such a weird, shitty dude. He was great.