The Orville

JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
edited September 23 in Other TV
I just watched the first 3 episodes... hey, it's pretty good. In fact, the latest episode "About a Girl" is actually quite good. The jokes are hit/miss, but so far the concepts and characters have been strong enough that I'm willing to weather out them finding their tone. 

It's still firmly in "I like it" territory, not "this is great" territory, but that's something where "Star Trek" is concerned right?
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  • edited October 4
    Started watching expecting a yuk yuk goof-athon and instead found an every-man's Star Trek (with better looking ships IMHO). It is refuge from the Abrams universe of Star Wars Military Trek. Really enjoying it.
    JaimieTdarwinfeeshy
  • I think the show is good and its only going to get better. Its nice to finally have a star trek like show back on the air. Hopefully one day the real Star Trek will come back to T.V.
    JaimieT
  • Yeah I agree on the "only going to get better part". The latest episode was a great classic Star Trek-like episode, I was blown away. Speaking of Trek coming back to T.V., I caught the first episode (teaser) for ST: Discovery. I thought it had potential but CBS really SH!T the bed by making it only available by paid streaming. 
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited October 4
    I'm still cracking up at the moment in the last episode where the doctor quoted Emerson and the Captain's like, "Shakespeare?" and everything that followed.

    Episode 3 had me in tears, it was so poignant in parts.

    The opening of episode 4 had me laughing loudly. Perfect Trek circumstantial humor, that moment. Like a laugh that Data might provoke.

    This show is simply the bees knees and I want to live in that future.

    CodyHarris821
  • You know something is funny when someone else references it and you die laughing...again. God I love this show!
    JaimieT
  • I liked the first few episodes, too. I can get behind this brand of Trek. This despite a ton of negative opinions I'd read from some good critics. Goes to show, it's always better to check something out and decide for yourself whether it's good or not. TNG had some episodes much more silly than any of these I've seen of this so far. Hope it sticks. I'm used to these sorts of shows getting cancelled just as I'm settling into them.
    JaimieTvejheh.tavakoli
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    I've been rewatching it today... it's bad, guys.
  • In tonight's episode "Pria" when the helmsman Malloy hobbles onto the bridge with his baby leg had me laughing so hard. Comedy was on point tonight.
    CodyHarris821
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    Wasn't my favorite episode... probably in my bottom 2 (of 5, lol). Just... pretty generic, and I'm tired of the suspicious, jealous girl thing, even if they turn out to be right. I wish they had played it like she wasn't jealous, just doing her job, then had her show a TWINGE of relief that Pria was gone at the end. As it is, we get it, she still likes him. But she's a professional and if she can hide the fact that she got him in the Captain's chair, she can refuse to acknowledge jealousy for 2 seconds.

    I just like her character and this was a step back.
  • I've only seen the first three episodes but I've liked it so far.  I actually think it would be a better show if they dropped the humour angle, because it's pretty solid as a sci-fi show with interesting stories (the types of stories and plots are very similar to Star Trek TNG).
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA

    I've only seen the first three episodes but I've liked it so far.  I actually think it would be a better show if they dropped the humour angle, because it's pretty solid as a sci-fi show with interesting stories (the types of stories and plots are very similar to Star Trek TNG).

    I'd largely agree with this... but there have been a few jokes that we're Galaxy Quest level, and I would miss them.

    CretanBull
  • JaimieT said:

    I've only seen the first three episodes but I've liked it so far.  I actually think it would be a better show if they dropped the humour angle, because it's pretty solid as a sci-fi show with interesting stories (the types of stories and plots are very similar to Star Trek TNG).

    I'd largely agree with this... but there have been a few jokes that we're Galaxy Quest level, and I would miss them.

    Yeah I feel the same way. Very conflicted.
    CretanBull
  • DreamRycherDreamRycher Newark, DE
    Yeah, for the most part the comedy is falling kind of flat for me as well.  Didn't help that Fox was marketing this thing like it was supposed to be a Galaxy Quest sci-fi send-up from the start.

    My big problem with this show so far is the constant pop culture references to the late 20th - early 21st century in every episode.  Has there been no pop culture in the last 400 years in this show's timeline??  I know we wouldn't get it, but at least Star Trek would cite a reference we would understand along with something a little more relevant for the characters on the show . . . and they wouldn't do it EVERY episode!  I know that's Seth McFarlane's thing with the constant references in Family Guy (I've never watched American Dad), but it seems like he's trying to do a fairly straight forward sci-fi show for the most part and I don't think these references are helping now and for the longevity of the show.  I mean, is anybody going to recognize that Destiny Child lyric reference by the first officer in 10,15, 25 years??
  • DrKenDrKen Chicago
    Same opinion for me on the comedy. Not needed and not funny.

    But, I’m shocked how much I really enjoy this show. It is very good sci-fi amidst ill-advised dick jokes.

    That generation ship episode and the baby episode were great.
    CodyHarris821JaimieT
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited October 9

    Yeah, for the most part the comedy is falling kind of flat for me as well.  Didn't help that Fox was marketing this thing like it was supposed to be a Galaxy Quest sci-fi send-up from the start.


    My big problem with this show so far is the constant pop culture references to the late 20th - early 21st century in every episode.  Has there been no pop culture in the last 400 years in this show's timeline??  I know we wouldn't get it, but at least Star Trek would cite a reference we would understand along with something a little more relevant for the characters on the show . . . and they wouldn't do it EVERY episode!  I know that's Seth McFarlane's thing with the constant references in Family Guy (I've never watched American Dad), but it seems like he's trying to do a fairly straight forward sci-fi show for the most part and I don't think these references are helping now and for the longevity of the show.  I mean, is anybody going to recognize that Destiny Child lyric reference by the first officer in 10,15, 25 years??
    This is a completely valid argument, but as a Star Trek fan I'm a big old hypocrite if I ascribe to it. (1) I'd have to be saying it's okay to reference something for dramatic reasons and not okay for comedic reasons, and also I'd have to ignore the times when the Orville references something for dramatic reasons. (2) I'd be arbitrarily picking a cut-off point in the timeline where cultural references are okay.

    We're a snake eating our tail with the remakes and reboots right now, so it's not implausible to me that no, there's not much new pop culture to come... And again, the same criticism can be leveled at Star Trek. Why the fuck was the 20th century so impressionable? 

    Frankly, I'm enjoying a sci-fi that acknowledges current pop culture too much to look the gift horse in the mouth. 

    And at least they're not saying "the early 21st century" every time it happens (IIRC). As if citing the date makes it okay. As if any of us do that when we reference stuff from the past.

    Star Trek had weaknesses in this area. The Orville does too. They're different weaknesses, but I'd say they're about the same amount and type.
  • I haven't been able to bring myself to watch the new Star Trek because, from what I've heard, it's the same soulless bullshit JJ Abrams does. The Orville is pretty rough around the edges, but at least it feels like it's guided by Seth's genuine affection for the old Star Trek rather than pandering to the largest audience possible. The jokes are meh, the acting is meh, the direction/music/sets are so directly plagiarized from the 90's Trek that I can't believe they're not being sued, but all together it manages to hit a sweet spot that just feels good.
  • Frakkin TFrakkin T Currently Offline
    edited October 18
    I make it a general principle not to comment on threads about shows I don't watch or that I actively hate, but I have to make an exception here. This show is not Star Trek. Seth McFarlane is an unmitigated hack, completely devoid of any class or originality. His "we saw your boobs" song at the oscars was a disgrace and Family Guy is one of the most overrated cartoons of all time. It galls me to no end that he's sucking air out of the Trek universe with this dumpster fire of a rip-off. Just watch Discovery

     /end rant
    alexander.klassen
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    Frakkin T said:
    I make it a general principle not to comment on threads about shows I don't watch or that I actively hate, but I have to make an exception here. This show is not Star Trek. Seth McFarlane is an unmitigated hack, completely devoid of any class or originality. His "we saw your boobs" song at the oscars was a disgrace and Family Guy is one of the most overrated cartoons of all time. It galls me to no end that he's sucking air out of the Trek universe with this dumpster fire of a rip-off. Just watch Discovery

     /end rant

    Yes, a rant if there ever was one. Buy a bottle of wine and try it sometime. I'll PayPal you the $10. Just a gesture to a fellow Trekkie. 
    Frakkin T
  • Frakkin T said:
    I make it a general principle not to comment on threads about shows I don't watch or that I actively hate, but I have to make an exception here. This show is not Star Trek. Seth McFarlane is an unmitigated hack, completely devoid of any class or originality. His "we saw your boobs" song at the oscars was a disgrace and Family Guy is one of the most overrated cartoons of all time. It galls me to no end that he's sucking air out of the Trek universe with this dumpster fire of a rip-off. Just watch Discovery

     /end rant
    Whoa there bud. That's pretty harsh. I would say that objectively McFarlane has been hugely successful, with four shows and three movies of his original content under his belt. So obviously he is appealing to a lot of people. It reminds me of when people say Nickleback is the worst band ever. Well again no, obviously, because they have sold millions of records and tour. The worse band is the one you never heard of, and the worst creator is the one that never created anything.

    /end response to embarrassing rant
    Frakkin T
  • Frakkin TFrakkin T Currently Offline
    Thanks @JaimieT but I'll skip it all the same :)

    @DancesWithWookies Popular success isn't an indication of talent--we often see that the most popular things are also the ones that are the most bland and have the least to say. Obviously McFarlane has had a good career, or else he wouldn't have been asked to host the Oscars. What I object to, aside from everything about him, is the way that this show is riding the coat tails of the first new Trek show in over a decade, to the point where you can't say "Hey, have you seen Discovery yet? without someone saying "How about The Orville?"

    And yeah, maybe my rant was a little harsh, but it's for sure how I feel. You're in good company, though; I said most of these things to my mom when she asked me if I was watching it.




  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    I've been there and I understand the frustration of that, believe me. (For me it was Twilight. Everyone always talking about Twilight when books or vampires or fantasy was mentioned.) Discovery is a decent show so far, off to a great start. But yeah, this comparison probably won't be going away.... ever........ 

    Eh, maybe in 20 years.
  • Frakkin T said:
    I make it a general principle not to comment on threads about shows I don't watch or that I actively hate, but I have to make an exception here. This show is not Star Trek. Seth McFarlane is an unmitigated hack, completely devoid of any class or originality. His "we saw your boobs" song at the oscars was a disgrace and Family Guy is one of the most overrated cartoons of all time. It galls me to no end that he's sucking air out of the Trek universe with this dumpster fire of a rip-off. Just watch Discovery

     /end rant
    Shhhhh. Shhh. Let people enjoy things. 
    Frakkin Talexander.klassen
  • Doctor_NickDoctor_Nick Terminus
    edited October 19
    I think Episode 3 (About a Girl) of The Orville is better than anything from Discovery so far.  
    JaimieTDancesWithWookies
  • amyja89amyja89 Oxford, England
    edited October 19
    I gave up on Seth MacFarlane after A Million Ways To Die In The West, which I’m still mad about paying to see. 
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    Episode 5 was pretty weak, but episode 6 was up to snuff again. Standard undercover spy episode, but I always enjoyed those. Kirk going onto the Romulan ship. Troi going onto the... Romulan ship. Has anyone pretended to be something else? I think DS9 did it...

    The Avis jokes didn't land for me, but everything else was great. Someone mentioned that the Orville does pacing really well. I couldn't agree more. I think that's why I'm so excited about these week-to-week. Even when they're sloppy (E5) they're pretty inoffensive.

    Avis joke = what Dan Harmon would call a Monopoly Man

    I wonder if we'll get another hard-hitter like 3 & 4, or if the show is front loaded. 
  • Like others here I'm not really seeing the need for the wisecracking humor.  I think they easily could have played it straight.

    That being said, I thought the Mexican dance off was stupidly funny for some reason.  
  • I thought the Avis jokes themselves were not funny, but McFarlane's growing irritation (which he was trying to hide) with them was starting to crack me up.

    The Mexican dance off was a moment that actually made me crack up, because it was something that felt analogous to playing in real life with friends.  You think you're doing thing A, which you always do and everyone enjoys, but no, your friend swapped it out for thing B, which you think is stupid, but he thinks is awesome and that you'll enjoy even more!  What sold it was how he was watching the dance off with absolute pleasure, while McFarlane left and the other guy was seemingly neutral.
    JaimieTDoctor_Nick
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