Stranger Things 2 WRAP UP! *SPOILERS*

I don't know that we actually need this thread, but why not.  This is the place to gush or groan about the latest season.  I'll be combing this all all the other threads for feedback.  Our watch has now ended, the final podcast for Chapter Nine will be going live in moments.  Thanks so much for watching with us, we had a great time!
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  • DeeDee Adelaide
    edited October 29
    LOVED IT! 

    I’m not one to go all fangirl over things generally, but I was squealing with delight when Steve was being all mother hen with his brood at the house, and then driving Dustin to the dance. I want a Steve/Dustin spin off web series where they give advice to teens about issues. 

    MVP was definitely the little boy who played Will; after barely seeing him last season, they gave him so much to do this year and he knocked it out of the park. And you have to be pretty good to stand out among those other really good kid actors. 

    All in all, worth the wait, exceeded my hyped up anticipation. Bring on next season. 

    Oh, oh - also, that hug Hopper does where he pulls the person in and kisses the top of their head (he did that at least 3 separate times)  <3.
    BrawnAww_PHuuCkElisarustywright4UnderwoodDani_ArmindoDaveyMac
  • I don't remember details of Stranger Things season 1, but I think there was a lull I didn't quite enjoy. This season I really liked from beginning to end, even the 11-centric episode that many didn't like.

    I was emotionally affected by the scene with Mike punching Hopper. And Hopper and 11 finally making up.

    Did 11 ever tell the party to call her Jane? I've already forgotten if they addressed that.
    ElisaDaveyMac
  • I think Jim owes Paul Reiser an apology :)
    KingKobraBrawnSchluppElisaBrandonTheBardUnderwoodmwspiakalina_macLannitik
  • What I’ve learned from Stranger Things Season 2... only monsters eat Three Musketeers. 
    A_Ron_HubbardElisaZandraLannitik
  • Melia004 said:
    I think Jim owes Paul Reiser an apology :)
    He definetly drew first blood.
    Lannitik
  • Apart from the Chicago episode, another great season! Fairly similar plot to s1, but the characters are so good it doesn't matter and there were enough different beats for it to not feel repetitive. 

    Random thoughts

    Max's joke about Lucas' recap of season 1 being "derivative" was the best joke of the season.

    I am 100% team Steve. Forget Johnathan, forget Nancy cause Steve can do better.

    BOB! NO, WHY?!

    3 Musketeers is definitely one of the worst candy bars. 

    Isn't calling Will "Zombie Boy," even when asking him to dance, kind of a dick move?

    I hope we don't end up with 11 total super powered kids. That would make all the normal characters completely superfluous, and its their interactions that are the bread and butter of this show. 
    BrawnDee
  • Cast continues to be amazing including the new girl Mad Max. Started to dislike Steve again and then he becomes cooler than ever in the back half.

    The writing is nice and tight with significant stuff happening every episode. I was trying to pace myself with the podcast, watched 2 episodes Friday night, then my control broke and I watched the remaining 7 all on Saturday and then my Netflix started playing the after show stuff with the Duffers and I had to watch two of those before finally going to sleep after 1am.

    I want to say ep 7 was weak because it kind of pulled you out of the narrative, but I think it was important to the story with the stuff on 11’s mom and 8 and learning how to channel the power better, I don’t know that they could have interwoven the plot line well with the events in ep 5 and ep 6 so in retrospect I think the choice was fine especially in the context of a binge. I’d have been annoyed with that ep if this were once-a-week viewing.
    Elisa
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    Melia004 said:
    I think Jim owes Paul Reiser an apology :)
    I think we all do. Dr. Paul Riser was a saint. A saint I say!
    BrawnDeeMelia004alina_mac
  • asmallcat said:
    3 Musketeers is definitely one of the worst candy bars. 
    PISTOLS AT DAWN
    Brawn
  • ghm3 said:
    asmallcat said:
    3 Musketeers is definitely one of the worst candy bars. 
    PISTOLS AT DAWN
    I have nothing to fear from a 3 Musketeers loving FOOL! 
  • DreamRycherDreamRycher Newark, DE
    I loved season 1 and loved this season as well . . . I was super excited for this season ever since they started playing the teaser trailers this summer.  And, thankfully, the episodes lived up to the hype.  I was NOT disapointed!
    My thoughts:

    - The soundtrack was awesome, but then again I was a child of the 80's and basically love all the music from that decade.  Even though Billy was a douche, his taste in music was EXCELLENT!!

    - Bob is this season's Barb . . . #JusticeForBob (*sniff*)

    Also watched the Beyond Stranger Things after show, which I thought was pretty good.  I liked the insights with the Duffer Brothers and Sean Leavy as to what their thinking was on character arcs and story ideas they worked through for season 2.  I thought it was weird that they pretty much had all the major actors involved with this aftershow, whether in studio or on video, except for Wynona Ryder.  It looks like they did all the episodes in one day so maybe she wasn't available, but I still found it weird and they didn't give it any mention either . . . or none that I heard anyway.
    alina_mac
  • Looking ahead to season 3 and beyond, what pop culture items should / will the Duffers reference, or possibly even use to set a thematic tone (like Ghostbusters or Dragon's Lair)?

    Back to the Future came out in July 1985; Super Mario Bros. came out in September of that year. Those seem like natural possibilities.
    hisdudeness915Sillybear

  • Finished watching the show yesterday -really liked it and look forward to next season!

    I agree with a previous post, Bob = Barb this season. Though Bob got more of a story arc. If there is a Stranger Things 3 and we see a new nice, nerdy character whose name begins with a B they better watch out!  

    Minor negatives - the whole upside down world and how it relates to ours seems sort of vague and a bit inconsistent.  And why didn't the heroes use water more?  Could have been a cool re-use of the kiddie pool if they had it ready at Will's house and were standing in it with guns at the end there. And maybe Bob should have turned on sprinklers throughout the whole lab?  I don't know.   Seems like fire and water were two known weapons that were not used much on the show.

    So much good to say about the characters and acting.  Mostly covered in the podcast already so I won't gush too much.  That Will kid actor was scary good.  A standout among all the other great performances.

    There is a lot of ways future seasons could go with the way they left it.  I guess the kids could be going to prom in a couple seasons so maybe some Carrie references coming up?  What would the Duffer remix look like with Eleven showing up at a dance and a bucket of pigs blood?  That was a 70s movie though technically, but there is a lot of Carrie resemblance to Eleven's character already.   And there is a lot of 80's left to mine for references.  

    Really enjoyed the ST2 Podcasts.   Thanks for watching all weekend guys :)


    Lannitik
  • ThomasThomas North Carolina
    edited October 31
    This season really disappointed me.  I enjoyed the ending, the development of Dustin, Steve, Hopper, and even Joyce's character grew on me.  But it had way too many weak spots.  The actress playing Max was so terrible that I couldn't stand to watch her talk, Billy's plot just got really annoying and ended up being pointless, Jonathon/Nancy felt like a fan-service, and the cooky investigator was too much.  

    I think people are way too quick to dismiss bad plot points or casting as "oh it is just a nod to the 80's, duh."  Compared to TWD I would give this season a 10/10, but compared to season 1 I would give it a 7/10.  I am still excited for season 3 because this season finale really did a good job.  I just can't get passed episodes like El's "Lost Sister" one, which was terrible.
    Lannitik
  • Looking ahead to season 3 and beyond, what pop culture items should / will the Duffers reference, or possibly even use to set a thematic tone (like Ghostbusters or Dragon's Lair)?

    Back to the Future came out in July 1985; Super Mario Bros. came out in September of that year. Those seem like natural possibilities.
    Was it a coincidence that we were shown that The Terminator was playing?  Not an '85 release, but I wonder whether it was just for fun.

    I'll put money down right now on this--one or more of the kids will have an NES with the packed in SMB/Dick Hunt cartridge, and try to shoot the dog.
    JoshuaHeter
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    edited October 31
    We binged through the final 3 episodes last night.  So tired.
    And now I present my random collection of thoughts featuring poor grammar and mediocre organization!

    The Sort of Bad:
    Season 2 was edging slightly on the side of a little too formulaic for my liking, where a sequel sort of does the same thing as the first.

    Crayon tunnel map is the new Christmas Lights
    Heater room is the new salt pool.
    Mind Flayer is the new Demogorgan 
    Climax is Eleven doing her Eleven thing to the Mind Flayer instead of the Demogorgan

    Not a fan of the resident evil demodogs.  Not a fan of the CGI in Mike's cold turkey bake out with his veins and the smoke crap from his mouth. 

    The nosebleed was starting to get a little annoying and gross.  Eleven should like Kleenexes as much as she likes Eggos.  I just kept wanting to offer a tissue or have someone give her, her mom, and Eight a tissue.  

    Disliked the Chicago episode with the Suicide Squad.  Seriously thought they were about to bust out with "We're a couple of misfits, What's the matter with misfits"

    The Neither Here or There:
    80s tropes
    E.T. making the Speak & Spell communicator, they always have some DIY science project they need to make. This time it was the interrogation room. 

    Gremlins with Dart being like Mogwai starting off cute.  Or a pet growing out of control like Little Shop of Horrors.  

    The Good:
    Attention to detail.  Yet again.  Set design, sites, props, attire.  

    The phones...AT&T Trimline & Cortelco phones
    Bob's Dr. Pepper Can...the old aluminum can style.
    The TVs with the UHF &VHF dial knobs
    Billy blasting Ted Nugent Wango Tango
    Billy's ratty mullet just in general was an awesome time piece
    The Radio Shack bag
    The JVC camcorder
    The way everyone was slow dancing at the Winter Ball
    All that "Com Truise-y" synth throughout the series. Love it.  

    I really liked everyone's hair.  Nancy's hair at the Winter Ball.  Steve, Billy, Jonathan, Mike and Will.  Mike and Will look like they should be in some really cool indie rock duo together with those Ramones bowl cuts.   I sort of hope Stranger Things brings back a new trend of 80s Hair v2.0.  

    Winona Ryder and David Harbour are both so damn good.

    Starring Paul Reiser as...Paul Reiser.   Was he chosen because of his 80's role as Burke in Aliens?  I actually didn't hate the resurfacing of Paul Reiser which is weird cause I grew up hating Paul Reiser.  

    Everything about Billy was awesome.  The hair.  The attitude.   The getting ready scene. The scene with Mike's mom.   I was hoping for Steve and Billy to join forces at the end, sort of in a "An enemy of my enemy is my friend" sort of a way.   Like Billy tracks back to Max and finds himself deep in the middle of the shit.  But that didn't happen.  I feel like if S3 happens then Billy needs to be back.  He seems to be a good guy who is just messed up by his father's bullying.

    ThomasLannitik
  • I just watched episode 6 of the Beyond Stranger Things special on Netflix and thought it was pretty cool how self aware Paul Reiser was about how fans would immediately perceive his character. “Yeah, this is not gonna go well” he says regarding people first laying eyes on him. Too funny  :D
    alina_macLannitik
  • C'mon! Bob is way better than Barb!
    ThomasUnderwoodalina_macLannitik
  • Have y'all seen the twitter account @hopperdancingto? Just lost 15 minutes of my life rewatching the Fresh Prince one and giggling like a little girl. I probably need sleep.
  • I don’t know if they missed a trick or escaped a trope but, after 8’s Vader style ‘use your anger’ tutelage, I was expecting Elle/Jane to have to have to do the opposite and use the love in her life to find the strength to push back the Shadow Monster and close the gate. I imagined her trying to use her anger and slumping, defeated while Hopper or Mike has to convince her of her strength using their love for her and her for them. Elle was lucky enough to find people who showed her love and compassion (and com-promise) which she felt confident enough to return whereas 8 did not. I thought that this ending would set up a potential future story line where Elle and 8 are pitted against each other, the dark vs the light so to speak or would this now have been too predictable and passè? 

  • rhirhi333 said:

    I don’t know if they missed a trick or escaped a trope but, after 8’s Vader style ‘use your anger’ tutelage, I was expecting Elle/Jane to have to have to do the opposite and use the love in her life to find the strength to push back the Shadow Monster and close the gate. I imagined her trying to use her anger and slumping, defeated while Hopper or Mike has to convince her of her strength using their love for her and her for them. Elle was lucky enough to find people who showed her love and compassion (and com-promise) which she felt confident enough to return whereas 8 did not. I thought that this ending would set up a potential future story line where Elle and 8 are pitted against each other, the dark vs the light so to speak or would this now have been too predictable and passè? 

    I wondered if the season would end with what would be a fitting Ghostbusters reference--Eight and Eleven "crossing their streams" to close the gate.  IMO, it still did make El out to be the better one between her and Eight, exactly because Eight had never had a standard life with love and family and friends.  She was surrounded by people that not only never checked her, but revered her, and I have to imagine we'll see another side of her if/when she is properly opposed.
  • Wow! what a Season 2. I liked Season 1 but wasn't a fan of the acting outside of El, Hopper and Steve. Season 2 I was blown away by the acting! I thought the Kids upped their acting and Winonna was great this year IMO. For the wrap up, could you compare both of the seasons against each other and give your opinions on how the show and actors will do during awards season?
    hisdudeness915alina_macLannitik
  • I definitely liked season 2 more than season 1. Better acting, none of the episodes misfired for me (sorry those of you who didn't like the 11-centered episode)

    Season 1 lost me with the part about the upside-down. Too much mystery without enough explanation. This time they didn't delve into showing the mystery much, so the lack of answers didn't bother me so much
    Lannitik
  • MrXMrX CO
    edited November 1
    Power Rankings for S2 - top 10

    1) (tie) Dustin / Steve
    2) Bob
    3) Nougat
    4) Punk-rock Eleven
    5) Mrs. Wheeler in a bathtub
    6) Lucas
    7) Hopper
    8) Joyce
    9) Nancy
    10) Dr. Paul Reiser

    Brawncdrive
  • Just binge watched the entire thing and it's an ok show for me - nothing more.
    It's an interesting story and well acted but a tad predictable.

    I found the first half of season 2 a bit slow and sometimes even boring. Second half - good.

    I think they made a mistake in killing Bob. A great fun character which could have enhanced future seasons.
    My hope is that they tell a completely different story for season 3 - Don't just have the portal open up again.
    Lannitik
  • tabs64 said:
    Just binge watched the entire thing and it's an ok show for me - nothing more.
    It's an interesting story and well acted but a tad predictable.

    I found the first half of season 2 a bit slow and sometimes even boring. Second half - good.

    I think they made a mistake in killing Bob. A great fun character which could have enhanced future seasons.
    My hope is that they tell a completely different story for season 3 - Don't just have the portal open up again.
    I thought it was very enjoyable, and they did a good job following up the first season, which is impressive considering the expectations. But didn't resonate with me on the level that some other recent shows have. there was soooo much good tv this year... Probably in my top 10 for the year, but definitely not top 5 material.
  • Loved the season, apart from the episode that derailed away from Hawkins. 

    I might be way off but was there a reference to Temple of doom with the Nancy and Jonathan scene when they had separate rooms? 


    MrXcdriveElisaquinch
  • highrise said:
    Loved the season, apart from the episode that derailed away from Hawkins. 

    I might be way off but was there a reference to Temple of doom with the Nancy and Jonathan scene when they had separate rooms? 


    Nice catch
  • edited November 2
    I, too, grew up in the 80s and relish every reference of my childhood that the Duffer Brothers have brought back to life. In this season, though, I thought I spotted two examples of what I think is the writing team bringing in references from more recent popular YA fiction. I couldn't swear it's a thing they intended, because so far there are only two I've spotted, but I'll definitely be looking out for more examples on my second watch.

    One, which I think is pretty solid, is the symmetry between Will's connection to the Mind Flayer and Harry Potter's to He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named. 

    The other, which is MUCH weaker (and I'm almost ashamed to say I recognized...ALMOST, but not quite), is that Callie's super-ability of making people see what she wants them to see, is the same power one of the Twilight vampires from the Amazon family had. (Don't judge. #TeamJacob)

    Did anyone else notice a more recent YA sci-fi reference this season? I'll be interested to see if I find more when I watch it again.

    I think IF this is actually intentional, it's an effort to relate more of what's awesome about this show and the way the story is told to a broader audience than just us Gen-Xers. My kiddo is 15 and she digs Stranger Things, but a lot of the really lovable moments go right over her head. 
    alina_mac
  •  
    One, which I think is pretty solid, is the symmetry between Will's connection to the Mind Flayer and Harry Potter's to He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named. 

    The other, which is MUCH weaker (and I'm almost ashamed to say I recognized...ALMOST, but not quite), is that Callie's super-ability of making people see what she wants them to see, is the same power one of the Twilight vampires from the Amazon family had. (Don't judge. #TeamJacob)


     These connections are there, but I am not sure how intentional they were.  I thought of  Will's Connection to the mind flayer was more of a reference to the connection between Eliot and ET, keeping with the whole 80's theme. 

    Callie's power is similar to the dad character in the Steven King novel, Firestarter.  Stranger Things as a whole has a lot of similarities to the plot of Firestarter actually.   I read it a long time ago, but refreshed my memory with the Wikipedia plot summary after watching Stranger Things and you can see a lot of direct parallels.   

    Anyways I can't think of anymore recent YA similarities specifically but I think they reached ahead to the 90's a bit with Bob at the end.  Reminded me a lot of Jurassic Park.  It is interesting how similar plot elements can be used over time in different ways in different stories.  I am a gen xer with a 15 year old kid as well who loves the series and I bore her to tears I think pointing out all the 80s stuff.  She took Bob's fate pretty hard.  And she is a twilight fan though I am not - but I am not a hater :)

     
    rustywright4
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