The Last Jedi (Spoilers Section)

I am so excited and want to hear what everyone thinks. With the spoilers warning we should be safe to discuss it here amiright? 
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  • I was waiting for someone to start it, first of all as mentioned in the non spoiler I really liked the movie
    • I was worried that they wrote Leia out so early but how they take that further is going to be massive

    • Snoke now appears to be a waste of a decent bad guy similar to Darth Maul, the whole who is Snoke becomes a real waste of many thousands of hours of theory crafting. The same can be said of Phasma

    • So Yoda took the tree out because he knew that Rey had the books already?

    • Justin Theroux's cameo was unexpected but great

    • What was the symbol that Rose and her sister had, does that link back to something

    KingKobra
  • LukeLuke Central Illinois
    Snoke lives.  He is Darth Plageus, who can actually take over bodies in order to live forever.  As soon as Ren turned on him he fell to the dark side and Snoke took him over.  They just saved that big reveal for the last movie.   
    Aww_PHuuCk
  • @Luke good theory but its all guess work at the moment. I think it would be a good reveal but in the end we just have to wait now until filming begins again and if Andy Serkis is reported as being there more could be made. 
    If that's the case there is nothing stopping Sidious coming back because Plagueis taught him everything he knew
  • Just got out of the showing. I thought this movie was awesome. I don’t have a lot of thoughts yet but Adam Driver is so good as Kylo Ren that it borderline makes me angry. Like I see him on screen and all I think is damn this should of been Anakin Skywalker. 
    rhcoopKingKobraTrewTaraC73MrXDaveyMacrkcrawfrusskellyhisdudeness915Elisaand 2 others.
  • Flipping awesome movie. They did a good job with misdirection in the trailers.
  • I really don't want to overhype this movie but I thought it was excellent. This was the fresh direction I desperately wanted from Force Awakens and I got it in spades here. 

    Now that I know what happens, I definitely need to watch this movie again, because I would consistently get distracted thinking the narrative was headed one direction when it went the complete opposite.

    However, I can see this potentially being a divisive movie amongst the fan base similar to The Dark Knight Rises because of the choices made by Johnson.
    DaveyMacElisa
  • Just got out a bit ago from an IMAX viewing. I agree for now with point number 2 by @davemcb. I really liked this movie, but could spot the similarities to TESB from start to finish (not necessarily a bad thing). I do agree that this will be decisive and I’m going to née dot see this at least once more to get a real feeling on it. LOTS of inside jokes and moments for the OG Star Wars fans. 

    Highlights for me Kylo REN, Luke, Rey and Fin. I do wish they did something different with Liea, but understand why they did what they did. 
    davemcb
  • WonderedObjectWonderedObject SAN Francisco, CA
    Loved it. Thought the first act seemed to drag but once Rey, Snoke, and Kylo were in the same room the movie kicked into second gear.

     I DESPISE Kylo Ren without his helmet. To me, he loses any intimidation he had. When he smashed it in the beginning I knew I'd hate him the rest of the movie. Idk I just feel like a villain needs a certain look and he looks so normal without it. 

    I LOVED that we learned Rey isn't a Skywalker. It's nice to know that jedi could still be popping up across the galaxy that aren't all related. Maybe that kid at the end??? 

    i still think I might like TFA a bit more but maybe I might change my mind after the third viewing. I just had a different feeling coming out of the theater for that movie. May have been the nostalgia.
  • BenBen Melbourne - Australia
    I had the same sort of feeling as Aron did in the pod. I wanted to love it but ultimately I only really enjoyed the Luke, Rey & Kylo Ren storyline. Poe started off so well and then fell away, Finn was tied up with busy work and Rose, whilst being very likeable, was spoiled for me somewhat when she kissed Finn. Some of the comedy was plain cheesy but there is a great movie in there. I’m gutted I didn’t like it more but I will definitely go and see it again. I’m super tired at the moment so I think that might also be clouding my judgement. 
    JTKIIIrkcrawf
  • edited December 2017
    I wanted to have a sleep on it before I posted my thoughts and come down from the high of the movie. I still absolutely love it but now I can admit a few problems.

    The jokes were all funny to me but it seems like they were a bit much for a Star Wars movie. I know there have been jokes before but not at a 15 minute clip that would sometimes seem to break the tension that had been building. Don't get me wrong. Luke asking Rey to reach out and feel the force was one of the funniest things I have seen in a while but it felt like a scene from Space Balls.

    Snoke is not quite what I expected after seeing him in TFA and I'm sad I will not get to see more of him unless @Luke is heading down the right trail.

    Unfortunate to have filmed our beloved princess almost dieing with Carrie Fisher having passed. I did enjoy her in this movie more than TFA and will truly miss her in the next. 

    Team Reylo! Wow what a great fight scene with them teaming up. This was unquestionably the best light saber battle ever. Give me more of this and less of the flips and spinning from the prequals. (Sorry George) I can't wait to see what is next for them.

    I don't know how I feel about Luke "seeing the dark side in Ben" and having thoughts of killing him. How could he face Vader and believe in turning him back to the light then get in this situation? I loved Mark Hammel's performance none the less. When he shows up to save the day I was wondering what was going on. Did he stop for a haircut, beard trim and dye job? And how did he get there so fast? Not sure what force power this was but it made for a great scene with taking all of the blaster shots.

    Yota! Happy he was a puppet

    This movie had the throw backs to the originals like TFA but it seems like it covered both Empire and Return of the Jedi. I have high hopes that the next movie can stand on it's own with Luke as a force ghost and not need to reply so much on call backs. I can't wait to see it again.
     

    rkcrawfElisa
  • This movie was fucking excellent. Even more so than The Force Awakens, this movie really stepped out to announce a new direction. Between Kylo’s constant pleas to Rey to let the past die and join him to create something new, and Rian Johnson creating this whole new exciting world that seems to exist outside of “The Star Wars” that are taking place across the galaxy, to FINALLY beginning to paint “the good guys” with shades of gray because war turns everyone into monsters and to pretend like it doesn’t is childish- it all worked on such a fundamental level for me. 

    This is also the most most beautifully filmed SW movie we’ve ever had. Johnson has a great eye for shot composition and spacial awareness so you don’t lose track of where the action is.

    I love it. I love this new direction, and as much as I like the original trilogy, I feel like I finally have MY Star Wars that is interested in the things that I’m interested in.


    Aww_PHuuCkDaveyMacElisa
  • kuman07kuman07 Kansas City

    I LOVED this movie. I thought damn near everything about it was really good/great. My only real complaint was with Snope. I though we could've got more background information on him and backstory that I think the first movie set up as being a mysterious figure but we never got those answers. Maybe something will be explained in the third film. But I was expecting some answers there so that was disappointing. But overall, loved it.


    And side note, I don't really have any specific information on this but I am not totally sold that Kylo was telling the truth to Ren about her parents. Again no theories or information against it, just don't trust Kylo.

    Elisa
  • And also, man Kylo Ren was great. I liked him in TFA, but was annoyed by his whiny petulance at times and stuck too much in that past mindset of “This guy has a cool mask and wears black so he needs to be an unflinching badass monster” instead of thinking of him as an actual human with complexity. It’s what the prequels tried and failed miserably to do with Vader.

    ALL of that pays off in this movie as he rounds out into the character that he will be going forward, and oddly enough, one that I sort of agree with, at least in one small aspect. Let all of this burn to the ground. The Republic, The Empire, The Jedi Order- all of it is toxic and has brought nothing but shit and misery to every system that it touches. As motivation for villains goes, I thought “I want to destroy both sides of this conflict” was relatively refreshing. 

    That double-turn that he makes in Snoke’s throne room was one of the best story beats in this entire saga. 

    Just got my ticket for later today and another for Sunday afternoon, and I can’t wait!
    TrewKingKobraDaveyMacElisa
  • I just finished the podcast and @A_Ron_Hubbard needs a vacation and needs to stop watching The Walking Dead LOL
    RyanReesemanKingKobraMurderbearrhcoopFlukes
  • Trew said:
    I just finished the podcast and @A_Ron_Hubbard needs a vacation and needs to stop watching The Walking Dead LOL
    Yeah it really sounded like TWD has crushed his soul.
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    I don't watch TWD, and I did not like this movie. Not that that was a serious explanation for his disappointment lol. I'm still processing WHY though. And hoping a second viewing answers a few thematic issues without poking more holes in the plot. 
    alina_macrustywright4
  • edited December 2017
    I agree completely with A.Ron. I wanted to like this movie, but it left me feeling disappointed.
    Ultimately, it felt very small and unrewarding. We've spent the entirety of TFA looking for Luke, and 70% of TLJ trying to convince him to join the fight. Only for him to end up as a decoy so a dozen or so resistance fighters could escape. Now, I get that the movie is trying to set up the point that legends are overrated, but this could have been done is a less disappointing, or at least last dragged out way. In particular, when I noticed that the "astral projection" Luke was substantially younger looking than the real Luke, making that a likely mental image, the whole sequence felt hollow to me.
    Likewise, I felt that this movie undid or went against a lot of what was established in TFA regarding the first order. TFA sets up the Republic as this neutral, vastly more powerful entity that tolerates the resistance fighting against the remnants of the empire. But then it turns out that besides the star killer base of TFA, the new order is orders of magnitude more powerful than the resistance, with all sorts of super weapons. How in the world was the Republic staying neutral in that scenario? At least in TFA the star killer base was supposedly a secret. Meanwhile, everyone in this one seemed to recognize the dreadnaughts, snoke's ship, etc.
    There were several other plot lines that fizzed out: Finn's heist, the whole thing with the speeders, etc. Also, that Rose intervention made no sense, just to spouse some 6th grade moral philosophy - Fin wasn't charging the super cannon to destroy what he hates, the whole point was to save the group that stayed behind. So essentially you sacrificed Luke (to buy some time) so that Fin wouldn't sacrifice himself for the same purpose.

    Finally, it seemed like they didn't fully explore what from the trailers seemed to be the premise of the movie. There's no real exploration of the "gray" jedi (other than Kylo raising it as a possibility and being dismissed immediately), the whole thing with "the jedi must end" is quickly abandoned once Yoda shows up. So it essentially goes "maybe we shouldn't deal in light vs dark - Nah, let's set up light vs dark anyways."
    TheHeardTheoremBroRad33voodooratalina_macRidojr
  • amyja89amyja89 Oxford, England
    The Rey/Kylo Ren joint fight scene after he killed Snokes had me SHOOK. That sort of slow mo shot as they turned back to back to take on all those sorry fools gave me legit tingles.
    MurderbearMrXDaveyMacgguenotrusskellyElisapicorock80ojr
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited December 2017
    @A_Ron_Hubbard ;- Yeah, don't watch the trailer next time. I didn't, and I watched it afterward, and MAN. Spoiled huge elements. It was nice going with the flow.
    Jovial_Falcon
  • LukeLuke Central Illinois
    To me the casino sequence brought the film from a solid 8/10 to a 6 or 7 out of 10.  

    The weird CGI characters, mixed with a 1950's casino had me flashing back to Dexter Jexter in his 1950's space diner.  

    Then to top it all off the entire plot to shut down the tracker was a red herring because the plan was never to run anyway.  30-45 minutes of this film was wasted that would have been better spent actually building tension in the plots that mattered.  

    Also I find it incredibly insulting we had an anti capitalism message shoe horned in a Disney film.  A Star Wars film of all things.  A franchise that made its money being the epitome of merchandizing.  
    alina_macRid
  • Nice little force pull the kid at the end did with the broom....
    KingKobraRyanReesemanTheHeardTheoremweeniegirlDaveyMacSaraetta
  • Doshy said:
    Nice little force pull the kid at the end did with the broom....
    That was like the 5th or 6th time I had tears coming down. I’m glad it was the last scene of the film, because I don’t think I could have handled another one.

  • Luke said:

    Also I find it incredibly insulting we had an anti capitalism message shoe horned in a Disney film.  A Star Wars film of all things.  A franchise that made its money being the epitome of merchandizing.  
    So you can’t explore themes in art about the downfalls of capitalism because you’re a franchise that makes a lot of money? 

    That’s a REAL slippery slope you’re setting if that’s the case.
    MurderbeargguenotElisa
  • kuman07kuman07 Kansas City
    FYI heard the guys debating the release date of IX, and as of right now its December 20, 2019.
  • Now that I have had sometime to think about this movie I can’t get over how much I loved this movie. I agree with pretty much every decision Rian Johnson makes in this movie. (Besides the baffling Leia-Mary Poppins moment) 

    The dynamic between Kylo, Rey and Luke was just excellent. And I loved every second of the talks between Kylo and Rey. 

    The killing off of Snoke was perfect in my mind. I was not really wanting another great evil puppet master in Star Wars. Showing him just toying with Rey and Kylo and then Kylo only beating Snoke because he tricked him was just wonderful. 

    I enjoyed the Finn and Rose plotline. I know in the end their plot didn’t help anything and probably made things worse but I do feel like that I was intentionally done on Rian Johnson’s part. Also Finn is my favorite new character so I am probably willing to give it more leeway than most. 

    The plotline I enjoyed the least was Poe’s. I just felt it was kind of obvious where it was heading. But I love Oscar Issacs so I was completely fine just hanging out for it and I do like that they have now set him up as the leader of the resistance. 

    The cinematography in this just excellent and the hyperspace kamikaze might be the best space shot in all of Star Wars. And I may be forgetting something but the only thing that really compares to it is the open shot of A New Hope.

    I loved the ending of this and they have set this up so they can go in a bunch of different directions. I am now really excited about where this series is going. 

    This movie defintely has its faults but in the places it has faults I just don’t really care about and the places it is great it is up there with the best of Star Wars. I want to wait more time and watch again before I really think about where I would rank this among the Star Wars but the first impression of this movie is just great. 

    I cant wait to rewatch The Force Awakens and then go watch this movie again to see what I missed! 
    DaveyMacElisa
  • Ok, was just talking with a friend and came up with this. For the Liea scene, we cut it out of the beginning and move that to the end (have her on a ship that is destroyed). The last shot is of her floating in space. It would have been soul crushing, but IMO it was such a beautiful shot it would have been a “perfect” ending for her character. 
    TaraC73rkcrawfalina_macweeniegirlElisa
  • Woah woah woah.  A. Ron didn't immediately and blindly love something with Justin Theroux in a tuxedo IN A HOTEL?!?!  I CALL FOUL PLAY, SIR!
    KingKobraallthewayhomeA_Ron_Hubbarddarthcaedus1138MrXDaveyMacFlukespicorock80
  • Melia004 said:
    Woah woah woah.  A. Ron didn't immediately and blindly love something with Justin Theroux in a tuxedo IN A HOTEL?!?!  I CALL FOUL PLAY, SIR!
    WAIT WHAT? THAT WAS JUSTIN THEROUX?!?!?!? Holy shit forget best Star Wars movie this is the best movie of all time. 
    Melia004
  • LukeLuke Central Illinois

    Luke said:

    Also I find it incredibly insulting we had an anti capitalism message shoe horned in a Disney film.  A Star Wars film of all things.  A franchise that made its money being the epitome of merchandizing.  
    So you can’t explore themes in art about the downfalls of capitalism because you’re a franchise that makes a lot of money? 

    That’s a REAL slippery slope you’re setting if that’s the case.
    Not saying someone can't, but IMO Disney can't.  Just google it, I love their films as much as anyone but they are a piece of shit company to work for if you are one of the lower people on the ladder.  
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    Luke said:
    To me the casino sequence brought the film from a solid 8/10 to a 6 or 7 out of 10.  

    The weird CGI characters, mixed with a 1950's casino had me flashing back to Dexter Jexter in his 1950's space diner.  

    Then to top it all off the entire plot to shut down the tracker was a red herring because the plan was never to run anyway.  30-45 minutes of this film was wasted that would have been better spent actually building tension in the plots that mattered.  

    Also I find it incredibly insulting we had an anti capitalism message shoe horned in a Disney film.  A Star Wars film of all things.  A franchise that made its money being the epitome of merchandizing.  
    Was it anti-capitalist?  Or was it "both sides are kind of bad, eh, whatever" kind of message?  I found it muddled.
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