The Last Jedi (Spoilers Section)

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  • Luke said:

    Not saying someone can't, but IMO Disney can't.  Just google it, I love their films as much as anyone but they are a piece of shit company to work for if you are one of the lower people on the ladder.  
    Okay, but can Rian Johnson? Because Walter Disney did not rise from the grave to make this movie.
  • Loved it. Thought the first act seemed to drag but once Rey, Snoke, and Kylo were in the same room the movie kicked into second gear.

     I DESPISE Kylo Ren without his helmet. To me, he loses any intimidation he had. When he smashed it in the beginning I knew I'd hate him the rest of the movie. Idk I just feel like a villain needs a certain look and he looks so normal without it. 
    See, to me the mundanity of evil is far scarier. 

    I’m also glad he got rid of the helmet because for some reason he sounded even more muffled in this movie. I’m still not entirely sure what his dialogue is in that scene before Snoke tells him to take it off. 

    But back to the point- we’re so trained these days to think that Bad Guys are supposed to be scary and intimidating or super ugly or faceless in some kind of way, when we know that’s not the case. Evil comes in all shades and looks. Sometimes it’s an 8-foot Orc with battle scars and a sword made from the spine of a king, and sometimes it’s a bad toupee and a spray tan. Other times it’s just a petulant kid with an inferiority complex and Vidal Sassoon hair. 

    I like that we have some of all of that in this franchise.
    allthewayhomeTaraC73DaveyMacElisa
  • LukeLuke Central Illinois
    @A_Ron_Hubbard I think there was some sort of attempt to have Marxist tones in that sequence.  

    It might just be me reading too much into the shots of the people dressed like the Monopoly guy laughing as the slave children get beat and the endangered species race for their amusement.  

    I agree it is muddled, that's what happens when the director intercuts attempts to criticize the ethics of the economy of war with a cartoon leprechaun shoving coins in BB8.  




  • I’m surprised Aron hated it.  I thought it was good.
  • ARon didn’t hate it, he was having a hard time, really liking it.
  • I was very underwhelmed and extremely disappointed. That being said, it’s not terrible, but comes nowhere near being in the same ballpark of The Force Awakens or Rogue One. There were about 3-4 times in this movie that I fear I may have audibly groaned. I hate to speak ill of a dead person, but there is way too much Carrie Fisher in this movie. She just wasn’t a good actor. I felt the scenes with her in The Force Awakens were the worst part of that movie and we get way more of that in The Last Jedi than I bargained for. The CGI was also surprisingly bad at points. Anytime someone or something was riding on top of something it looked very fake and Poe sliding into the trench towards the end was one of the most obvious uses of green screen that I have seen in recent years. None of the CGI creatures looked like they were actually living in the world on screen to me.
     I think there were some good plot points, but how they arrived at those plot points felt very clumsy. I also fear that the plot for Episode 9 is going to be pretty obvious now. I really liked everything with Luke, Rey and Kylo and really disliked everything with Leia, Fin and Poe. It’s a mediocre movie that left me with an incredibly disappointed feeling as I walked out.
    alina_macrkcrawfRid
  • I'm basically where Aron is. I did like it, but I definitely didn't love it. The first hour and a half had me really scared that overall it was just going to be bad. There are a number of things I thought were obvious blemishes, but I'll limit my (almost certainly unwanted) rant to my biggest problem with both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi.

    Fin should be awesome, but he's really just sort of an unnecessary goof. John Boyega is a talented actor, and the idea of a deserted storm trooper is a great premise for a character. But... every other line out of his mouth is (to me) just filled with cheese. During what should be a tense, thrilling scene, he drops the name "chrome dome" on Captain Phasma... chrome dome. (I also didn't like Luke brushing off his shoulder during what should have been a serious moment for similar reasons). That said, the "chrome dome" line might not even make his top 5 list of most goofy lines / moments in the trilogy so far.

    Beyond that, he was ready run and hide, cowardly leaving the resistance... in both movies! He would've actually done so this time had he not been stopped by Rose, after which, his efforts for the rest of the film don't really pay off or do any good. In fairness, he does try to have his own Randy Quaid / Independence Day self-sacrifice moment, but even that gets derailed (by no fault of his own).

    I'm sure I'll be accused of having an old man "Get off my lawn!" moment, but the frequency and tone of much of the comedy was (to me) a bug and not a feature of the movie - including and especially the Fin stuff.
    JTKIIIrkcrawfRidrustywright4
  • I also wanted to add that Leia flying through space really took me out of the movie. If Jedis have had this ability all along, they’re idiots for not using it to sneak on to the Death Star or imperial destroyers.
    JoshuaHeterJTKIIIcperkinsRid
  • I'm basically where Aron is. I did like it, but I definitely didn't love it. The first hour and a half had me really scared that overall it was just going to be bad. There are a number of things I thought were obvious blemishes, but I'll limit my (almost certainly unwanted) rant to my biggest problem with both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi.

    Fin should be awesome, but he's really just sort of an unnecessary goof. John Boyega is a talented actor, and the idea of a deserted storm trooper is a great premise for a character. But... every other line out of his mouth is (to me) just filled with cheese. During what should be a tense, thrilling scene, he drops the name "chrome dome" on Captain Phasma... chrome dome. (I also didn't like Luke brushing off his shoulder during what should have been a serious moment for similar reasons). That said, the "chrome dome" line might not even make his top 5 list of most goofy lines / moments in the trilogy so far.

    Beyond that, he was ready run and hide, cowardly leaving the resistance... in both movies! He would've actually done so this time had he not been stopped by Rose, after which, his efforts for the rest of the film don't really pay off or do any good. In fairness, he does try to have his own Randy Quaid / Independence Day self-sacrifice moment, but even that gets derailed (by no fault of his own).

    I'm sure I'll be accused of having an old man "Get off my lawn!" moment, but the frequency and tone of much of the comedy was (to me) a bug and not a feature of the movie - including and especially the Fin stuff.
    I thought Finn was going to help Rey? Not abandon the resistance? I might be wrong though. 
  • Hatorian said:
    I'm basically where Aron is. I did like it, but I definitely didn't love it. The first hour and a half had me really scared that overall it was just going to be bad. There are a number of things I thought were obvious blemishes, but I'll limit my (almost certainly unwanted) rant to my biggest problem with both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi.

    Fin should be awesome, but he's really just sort of an unnecessary goof. John Boyega is a talented actor, and the idea of a deserted storm trooper is a great premise for a character. But... every other line out of his mouth is (to me) just filled with cheese. During what should be a tense, thrilling scene, he drops the name "chrome dome" on Captain Phasma... chrome dome. (I also didn't like Luke brushing off his shoulder during what should have been a serious moment for similar reasons). That said, the "chrome dome" line might not even make his top 5 list of most goofy lines / moments in the trilogy so far.

    Beyond that, he was ready run and hide, cowardly leaving the resistance... in both movies! He would've actually done so this time had he not been stopped by Rose, after which, his efforts for the rest of the film don't really pay off or do any good. In fairness, he does try to have his own Randy Quaid / Independence Day self-sacrifice moment, but even that gets derailed (by no fault of his own).

    I'm sure I'll be accused of having an old man "Get off my lawn!" moment, but the frequency and tone of much of the comedy was (to me) a bug and not a feature of the movie - including and especially the Fin stuff.
    I thought Finn was going to help Rey? Not abandon the resistance? I might be wrong though. 
    No, he was abandoning the fleet. His plan was to escape to “somewhere safe” and when Rey used the tracker she would go to him and be “safe”. So from a certain point of view I guess he was going to help Rey ;) 
    JoshuaHeter
  • JoshuaHeterJoshuaHeter Omaha, NE
    edited December 2017
    @Hatorian

    that's entirely possible. I probably missed that. Still (grumpy old man voice) the goofy lines are too much!
    Rid
  • The more I think about it, the worse I feel about this movie. I am really sad.
    JoshuaHeterTheHeardTheoremJaimieTalina_macRid
  • ziyingc said:
    The more I think about it, the worse I feel about this movie. I am really sad.
    There should be a support group for those of us who were disappointed by The Last Jedi and left feeling a lil bit dead on the inside!
    alina_macrkcrawfRid
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    edited December 2017
    Luke said:
    To me the casino sequence brought the film from a solid 8/10 to a 6 or 7 out of 10.  

    The weird CGI characters, mixed with a 1950's casino had me flashing back to Dexter Jexter in his 1950's space diner.  

    Then to top it all off the entire plot to shut down the tracker was a red herring because the plan was never to run anyway.  30-45 minutes of this film was wasted that would have been better spent actually building tension in the plots that mattered.  

    Also I find it incredibly insulting we had an anti capitalism message shoe horned in a Disney film.  A Star Wars film of all things.  A franchise that made its money being the epitome of merchandizing.  
    Was it anti-capitalist?  Or was it "both sides are kind of bad, eh, whatever" kind of message?  I found it muddled.
    Surely I can't be the only fan who saw that scene and thought "meh, I've bought toys from both sides."
    JoshuaHeterAww_PHuuCkA_Ron_Hubbardalina_macDaveyMacFlukes
  • @JoshuaHeter  I agree with everything you said about Finn. Nothing about his storyline (or lack thereof), or hos lines, really worked for me either... you used the perfect words, that he became "sort of an unnecessary goof". 

    Other than that, there was a lot of stuff in the movie that I did enjoy. Almost everything on the island was great, Rey's training and so on. Well, I agreed with @Jim om the podcast in that we did not need to see Luke milking that alien creature's bluish milk.... :D  
    JoshuaHeterrkcrawf
  • FernNYC17FernNYC17 New York, NY
    Question for everyone. did i miss something or were they implying that there was a spy for the first order within the Rebels? when Fin and Rose are about to be Executed and Hux get notified that the Rebels are fleeing from the main ship with Transports he says something like "the info we were given was correct amazing, fire on all transports" are they saying someone inside the rebellion was feeding them info? or was it DJ (Benecio De Toro) that told them this? i dont think if could be because he didnt know about that plan? or maybe i miss heard that scene all together?
  • FernNYC17 said:
    Question for everyone. did i miss something or were they implying that there was a spy for the first order within the Rebels? when Fin and Rose are about to be Executed and Hux get notified that the Rebels are fleeing from the main ship with Transports he says something like "the info we were given was correct amazing, fire on all transports" are they saying someone inside the rebellion was feeding them info? or was it DJ (Benecio De Toro) that told them this? i dont think if could be because he didnt know about that plan? or maybe i miss heard that scene all together?
    I thought this too... and at first I was sure it was Captain Purple Hair. Then, for literally 2or 3 seconds I (naively) thought it could be Leia when she shot Poe. But... yeah, I guess there wasn't a spy, or that'll be resolved in Episode IX(?)
  • I also wanted to add that Leia flying through space really took me out of the movie. If Jedis have had this ability all along, they’re idiots for not using it to sneak on to the Death Star or imperial destroyers.
    This was really bad. 
    JoshuaHeterRid
  • The 93% Critic Reviews compared to the 56% Audience Reviews on Rotten Tomates is eye opening to me. I liked this movie but when I went on RT last night I was expecting to see its rating in the mid 70s and was blown away when i saw it at 93%. If a movie is sitting in the 90’s It better be a masterpiece and The Last Jedi is definitely nowhere near that IMO. I’m seeing claims that Disney paid off the critics but I think that’s laughable. This is a good movie but I think it had a lot of flaws that held it back from being excellent.
    Dummy
  • Hatorian said:
    I'm basically where Aron is. I did like it, but I definitely didn't love it. The first hour and a half had me really scared that overall it was just going to be bad. There are a number of things I thought were obvious blemishes, but I'll limit my (almost certainly unwanted) rant to my biggest problem with both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi.

    Fin should be awesome, but he's really just sort of an unnecessary goof. John Boyega is a talented actor, and the idea of a deserted storm trooper is a great premise for a character. But... every other line out of his mouth is (to me) just filled with cheese. During what should be a tense, thrilling scene, he drops the name "chrome dome" on Captain Phasma... chrome dome. (I also didn't like Luke brushing off his shoulder during what should have been a serious moment for similar reasons). That said, the "chrome dome" line might not even make his top 5 list of most goofy lines / moments in the trilogy so far.

    Beyond that, he was ready run and hide, cowardly leaving the resistance... in both movies! He would've actually done so this time had he not been stopped by Rose, after which, his efforts for the rest of the film don't really pay off or do any good. In fairness, he does try to have his own Randy Quaid / Independence Day self-sacrifice moment, but even that gets derailed (by no fault of his own).

    I'm sure I'll be accused of having an old man "Get off my lawn!" moment, but the frequency and tone of much of the comedy was (to me) a bug and not a feature of the movie - including and especially the Fin stuff.
    I thought Finn was going to help Rey? Not abandon the resistance? I might be wrong though. 
    You are correct, he was going to intercept Rey so that she (and potentially Luke) wouldn't fly right into the trap.  That was one idea of his that was actually pretty good.
  • I really appreciated how they portrayed Luke as still having high levels of petulant, self-loathing characteristics.  I was expecting a sage, flawless version off Luke.  But he clearly hadn't changed all that much since his Episode IV-V days.  That was a nice touch, because I was definitely expecting him to play the Yoda or Obiwan carbon copy.  Mark did so surprisingly well in this film, in large part because they humanized him.
    DaveyMacFlukesElisa
  • FernNYC17 said:
    Question for everyone. did i miss something or were they implying that there was a spy for the first order within the Rebels? when Fin and Rose are about to be Executed and Hux get notified that the Rebels are fleeing from the main ship with Transports he says something like "the info we were given was correct amazing, fire on all transports" are they saying someone inside the rebellion was feeding them info? or was it DJ (Benecio De Toro) that told them this? i dont think if could be because he didnt know about that plan? or maybe i miss heard that scene all together?
    I thought this too... and at first I was sure it was Captain Purple Hair. Then, for literally 2or 3 seconds I (naively) thought it could be Leia when she shot Poe. But... yeah, I guess there wasn't a spy, or that'll be resolved in Episode IX(?)
    The “spy” was DJ was it not? He sold the allies out for a large pay day. He was there when they were planning (before heading to the ship). 
    FlukesElisa
  • JoshuaHeterJoshuaHeter Omaha, NE
    edited December 2017
    @KingKobra ;

    I could've sworn the line about the spy came before they ran into DJ (by what seemed to be pure luck). Also, I *think* he was only ever with Fin and Rose on the stolen ship before they snuck onto the First Order ship.

    That said... I already have a dodgy record at remembering the details of this movie. :)
  • JTKIII said:
    The 93% Critic Reviews compared to the 56% Audience Reviews on Rotten Tomates is eye opening to me. I liked this movie but when I went on RT last night I was expecting to see its rating in the mid 70s and was blown away when i saw it at 93%. If a movie is sitting in the 90’s It better be a masterpiece and The Last Jedi is definitely nowhere near that IMO. I’m seeing claims that Disney paid off the critics but I think that’s laughable. This is a good movie but I think it had a lot of flaws that held it back from being excellent.
    It's also getting hammered by metacritic users.  Certainly the opposite that you'd expect from a star wars film.
    Rid
  • edited December 2017
    I’ve seen so many people complaining about the Luke brushing dust off of his shoulder scene and making Jay Z jokes.

    All of a sudden nobody has ever had dirt on their shoulders that they’ve ever had to brush off before. I’m sure someone growing up on a planet full of sand would have never been familiar with the concept if it weren’t for the sick beats of Jay Z, and therefore never could have conceived of it as a mocking gesture.

    What a stupid complaint.
    FernNYC17Murderbeargguenot
  • I’ve seen so many people complaining about the Luke brushing dust off of his shoulder scene and making Jay Z jokes.

    All of a sudden nobody has ever had dirt on their shoulders that they’ve ever had to brush off before. I’m sure someone growing up on a planet full of sand would have never been familiar with the concept if it weren’t for the sick beats of Jay Z, and therefore never could have conceived of it as a mocking gesture.

    What a stupid complaint.
    Except there was no dirt on his shoulder because he wasn't actually there. 

    You might not agree that it was corny, or that it was out of place humor, but I don't think it's really deniable that it was meant as a taunt played for a laugh.
    Rid
  • edited December 2017
    Was that not the point? Of course it was a taunt, I said nothing to the contrary.
  • LukeLuke Central Illinois
    Overall after TFA, TLJ and Rogue One I have Empire vs Rebels fatigue.  

    I kind of hope Episode IX ends with both sides throwing up their arms and turning on the force users that use them as pawns in this Light Vs Dark side conflict.  

    I'm ready for some Star Wars stories that can actually be different.  

    Really what I need are some decent games, but as long as EA has the license my only hope is Rain Johnson fulfills the message of TLJ and lets the past die. 
    rkcrawfElisa
  • So, someone please explain this- We have seen Jedi’s die by getting shot with guns. Mace Windeu gets shoved out a window and dies. But Leia (who isn’t a Jedi) can survive the vacuum of space?
    TaraC73alina_macRid
  • All the ChickensAll the Chickens Birmingham, AL
    edited December 2017
    I thought it was terrific. A perfect blend of suspenseful storytelling, drama, and some comedy thrown in to make one of the better SW movies. I did have a few issues, Snokes quick demise before we learn anything about him being one of rhem.

    Here is my crack at why critics overwhelmingly loved this movie while some of the SW diehards absolutely hated it:

    I think some of the diehards who are so against it are coming into the movie with very specific expectations of what Star Wars needs to be and what they want to happen, and when it doesn't go that way it's complete nerd rage. To me that is a bad way to look at movies, or at least to view them.

    This movie literally tells it's characters and the audience multiple times to LET GO OF THE PAST.
    RyanReesemanWintersComingAfterFallalina_macDaveyMacgguenothisdudeness915ElisaBriannabickett
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