The Last Jedi (Spoilers Section)

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  • JaimieT said:
    The one "positive review" of this movie that gnaws at me is: "The next generation likes this, so that's what matters."

    Cover your ears, young padawans... Ahem. 

    Have the fucking courage of your convictions or simply say you don't have an opinion. If the next generation jumped off a cliff would you? WOULD YOU? 

    But seriously, I'm not fucking out-of-touch with what makes a good narrative. Maybe I have to look up what dabbing is and other kinds of self-expression, but what makes a narrative compelling is timeless and yes I do have a better grasp on that than most 10-year-olds. My dad showed me Star Wars as a kid along with many other films. I enjoyed most of them equally. What do I still watch regularly as an adult? I know anti-heroes and deconstructionism are in vogue, but you still have to follow the rules of a compelling narrative. I fucking love Frozen along with the formulaic Disney princess movies. You can do deconstructionism well, and you can do a shit shoddy job of it like Rian Johnson.

    @Melia004 - Yeah, I stayed away from all trailers and images after the 30 second teaser, which I only saw once and forgot. I went in with no expectations the previous chapters hadn't given me.

    Come to think of it, maybe everyone is stomaching this film much better than me because they had a few months to stew on Rey telling Kylo she needed guidance, and all the plot implications of that (Luke not doing it, Luke's desire for the Jedi to end not being persuasive, etc). Whereas based on how Episode VII ended, I was all ready for Luke to be very interested in Rey's beliefs, as a young Force user who put an end to his self-inflicted exile. 

    I did chuckle at his initial moodiness. I thought, "Oh we're seeing Tosche Station power converters Luke." But he stopped making any sense after that. 

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I did both (said that AND gave an opinion). Why go to that extreme it makes no sense in this argument. Are people really that upset that a fan of Star Wars could actually like this movie? I guess people would rather have something they love die, then evolve and change to meet the next generation? Maybe it was the fan fiction that everyone wrote in their own heads that made them more disappointed? We got nothing from Luke at the end of VII, so I’m not sure how invested in anything he showed to be. It’s far from a perfect movie, but after seeing it a second time, I enjoyed it A LOT more than I did during my 1st watch. I was able to just sit back and enjoy the movie rather than try to analyze it. I still had issues with a few parts, but those parts weighed less on me the second time. I get not liking the movie, what I don’t get it trying to pull down those that did. 
    Elisa
  • walktheskywalkthesky New York
    edited December 2017
    I found these articles very helpful in case anyone stuck on the  rotten tomatoes audience score. Brings about a lot of questions.  Personally I wouldn’t go with just one source but some people do. In case you didn’t know he was a couple links showing the other side. And yeah this movie made a butt load of money. Next week will show it’s potential I think.  I have only seen it once and the more I research and think about this movie the more I love it. Can’t wait to see it again.



    http://deadline.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-metacritic-imdb-users-cinemascore-posttrak-1202228837/

    https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/star-wars-the-last-jedis-cinemascore-has-been-revealed-and-it-tells-a-different-story-to-rotten-tomatoes-a156402
  • the reception this Star Wars is getting is so strange.  I thought it was maybe the best Star Wars after Empire, so the rotten tomatoes score made sense to me...I feel totally disconnected to the fans' uproar over it.  I understand criticism of the space Monte Carlo scenes, and Finn's story in general, but I don't think it was pointless as many are saying.  The point was that the plan fails.  It fails, and yet, like Luke's final act, also inspires. 
    Elisa
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited December 2017
    @KingKobra

    Maybe it was the fan fiction that everyone wrote in their own heads that made them more disappointed?


    You mean the fan fiction I wrote in my own head based on foreshadowing that is, in fact, me just responding to the storytelling convention of foreshadowing? 

    Some people who defend this movie are both claiming people shouldn't have expectations and then reveling in the fact that their expectations (which they shouldn't have) were subverted. 

    A story that doesn't evoke expectations is a non-story, and audiences that don't cultivate expectations aren't engaging in a story.

    We got nothing from Luke at the end of VII, so I’m not sure how invested in anything he showed to be.

    We got nothing from the end of VII, but we got a lot from the rest of VII. (1) He had a student that rejected him, (2) he is in self-inflicted exile. We also got a lot about Luke from episodes IV-VI that indicate normal human reactions... so he's not a psychopath... so those two events will be affecting him normally. Sorry, you can't say we started with a blank slate with Luke at the beginning of VIII. 

    I was able to just sit back and enjoy the movie rather than try to analyze it. 

    Could you describe to me how you enjoy the dissemination of information (audio and visual) without analysis? Oh, you mean a matter of degree of analysis. Well that's pretty subjective.

    ...what I don’t get it trying to pull down those that did [enjoy the movie].

    I honestly don't mean to do that, and I don't want to do that, but I also recognize that sometimes people hold so strongly to their opinions that it feels like a tear-down when someone says their opinion is weakly supported in the subject matter. I really don't care if someone doesn't want to invest enough time in Star Wars to finely hone their opinion. Or if they have opinions that are just wrong, in my eyes. That's their right. But I'm also allowed to state why I think they're wrong. And I try to do that without personally attacking anyone, although sometimes I do bust out the F-bomb, because passion is a valid tool in persuasive rhetoric. 

    I guess people would rather have something they love die

    Not me. I don't want to pull a "if you actually read what I wrote," so I'll just say I did try to argue how it was important to both evolve and retain timeless elements and be internally consistent. 
    rkcrawf
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited December 2017
    Stackpile said:
    the reception this Star Wars is getting is so strange.  I thought it was maybe the best Star Wars after Empire, so the rotten tomatoes score made sense to me...I feel totally disconnected to the fans' uproar over it.  I understand criticism of the space Monte Carlo scenes, and Finn's story in general, but I don't think it was pointless as many are saying.  The point was that the plan fails.  It fails, and yet, like Luke's final act, also inspires. 

    I didn't like the movie and I don't understand criticism of the space Monte Carlo scenes and Finn's story, lol. I think those are nitpicky criticisms. Star Wars has always had less interesting storylines, not that it's an excuse. I just feel there's things more fundamentally wrong about this movie than that. 

    I really think/hope Red Letter Media comes out with a good video essay distilling this criticism. A lot of people didn't like The Phantom Menace because "Jar Jar sucks!" but what's actually wrong with The Phantom Menace is much deeper than that, and the Red Letter Media video essay only briefly touched on Jar Jar sucking. 

    Sometimes I think people don't like a movie but they lack the vocabulary to fully articulate why, so they latch on to whatever they can articulate. Art criticism is a muscle.
    Rid
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited December 2017
    @KingKobra

    Also I want to say, I'm totally fine with Star Wars becoming non-timeless and solely appealing to the younger generation as a cash-grab and a future nostalgia Goonies piece. I think Rogue One was a good example of that. I can ignore Rogue One and other movies in that category. But fuck with my Skywalker saga 1-9, and damn. I'm not happy. Can it happen? Yes, it just did. But I'm not happy. 

    Thank God JJ Abrams is doing the last one. He's always light on character development, but he consistently uses enough to evoke the heart of the story. 
  • I thought it was terrific. A perfect blend of suspenseful storytelling, drama, and some comedy thrown in to make one of the better SW movies. I did have a few issues, Snokes quick demise before we learn anything about him being one of rhem.

    Here is my crack at why critics overwhelmingly loved this movie while some of the SW diehards absolutely hated it:

    I think some of the diehards who are so against it are coming into the movie with very specific expectations of what Star Wars needs to be and what they want to happen, and when it doesn't go that way it's complete nerd rage. To me that is a bad way to look at movies, or at least to view them.

    This movie literally tells it's characters and the audience multiple times to LET GO OF THE PAST.
    Yeah im with you here. And honestly i dont see how anyone can say rogue ome was better than this movie or even a good movie. In what way other than it fit perfectly into.what ppl thought it would be. Rogue one was safe.as can be and had not 1 single fleshed out character. Last jedi didnt fit into a box of wut ppl.think star wars has to be and i loved it. The only bigger flaw was the casino stuff which on 2nd viewing came and went much faster than i thought. Everything with rey, kylo, luke, leia and poe was great. I love those characters and wut they did with them. There was great action throughtout along with the emotional beats with the characters.
    Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, so I'm not going to dispute yours. I will try to at least provide some insight on another point of view...Rogue One was absolutely NOT safe because it was the first Star Wars movie with no real lightsaber/Jedi fights until the end and bc of the final fate of the protagonists. It was a more mature movie, and arguably darker (but not better) than Empire. I found it refreshing in the same way I found Nolan's take on Batman refreshing. But basically, that movie did suffer from lack of character development, plot holes, and unnecessary scene chewing by Forest Whitaker. 

    I agree with the story that TLJ was not true to everything we've known about Luke as a character. As Mark Hammil said, the decisions plotted out for Luke don't feel like things the Luke from episodes IV-VI would do, IMO. A lot of the complaints about the TLJ are natural extensions from TFA, and unavoidable at this point. 

    This was still a very good movie. I think TFA was better, but if you accept the premise of the movie (the hero willing to sacrifice himself to save Anakin and his friends in Ep VI now gives 0 f's about his sister's fate or saving his nephew), then this movie handled the Force/Jedi stuff very well. It's ultimately the Poe/Finn/Rose sideplots and "gags", and the misuse of Snoke / Phasma as Emperor / Fett clones that took away from an otherwise excellent Star Wars story.
  • JaimieT said:
    Anyone want to rank/rate?

    1. ESB - 10/10
    2. ANH - 9/10
    3. TFA - 7/10
    4. RoTJ - 6/10
    5. TLJ - 5/10
    6. Prequels - 3/10

    I was really hoping TLJ would hit the #3 spot. 

    I am right there with you, but I have TFA and RoTJ tied at 7's. I have TLJ and Rogue One at a 6.
    JaimieTvoodoorat
  • The other issue I have with TLJ is that there was a lot of wasted opportunity to do something bold with the franchise. I loved Kylo's speech about doing something new, and all the supporting seeds were there to do something like that. Yoda and Luke had offered fresh takes on the role of the Force, balance, and the Jedi. 

    It would have been really cool to see Kylo actually become an anti-hero, fighting against the First Order (maybe for killing Leia, bc they find out he killed Snoke, or bc he loves Rey). Have him as some vigilante-type that the Resistance condemns, but he's still a reluctant and necessary ally since their numbers are diminished. Or have Rey temporarily join with Ren as a team in the same fashion, and have Finn / Luke's ghost bring her back in Ep. 9.

    They had the groundwork to get away from the white hat / black hat, master / apprentice stuff, and I would have appreciated seeing that for a little bit, even if it all resolved itself in Ep 9. But people would say "that's not Star Wars." But realistically, can Disney keep cranking the same formula out year after year with diminishing the whole franchise?
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited December 2017
    rkcrawf said:
    The other issue I have with TLJ is that there was a lot of wasted opportunity to do something bold with the franchise. I loved Kylo's speech about doing something new, and all the supporting seeds were there to do something like that. Yoda and Luke had offered fresh takes on the role of the Force, balance, and the Jedi. 

    It would have been really cool to see Kylo actually become an anti-hero, fighting against the First Order (maybe for killing Leia, bc they find out he killed Snoke, or bc he loves Rey). Have him as some vigilante-type that the Resistance condemns, but he's still a reluctant and necessary ally since their numbers are diminished. Or have Rey temporarily join with Ren as a team in the same fashion, and have Finn / Luke's ghost bring her back in Ep. 9.

    They had the groundwork to get away from the white hat / black hat, master / apprentice stuff, and I would have appreciated seeing that for a little bit, even if it all resolved itself in Ep 9. But people would say "that's not Star Wars." But realistically, can Disney keep cranking the same formula out year after year with diminishing the whole franchise?

    No, of course not. But they only had to meet expectations two more times. The Han Solo movie, I don't care what they do with that. Rian Johnson's new trilogy, I don't care. But can we at least close the original story with some respect to its broad themes?

    I really wish they would recast Leia. I think there's a lot that could be salvaged in Episode IX if Leia and Kylo Ren could have a moment. Especially when she's showed her force abilities aren't simply passive. #teamrecastLeia
    rkcrawf
  • JaimieT said:
    @KingKobra

    Also I want to say, I'm totally fine with Star Wars becoming non-timeless and solely appealing to the younger generation as a cash-grab and a future nostalgia Goonies piece. I think Rogue One was a good example of that. I can ignore Rogue One and other movies in that category. But fuck with my Skywalker saga 1-9, and damn. I'm not happy. Can it happen? Yes, it just did. But I'm not happy. 

    Thank God JJ Abrams is doing the last one. He's always light on character development, but he consistently uses enough to evoke the heart of the story. 
    huh, yeah your take on it is completely different from mine, I didn't get "non timeless appealing to the younger generation" from this film.  I agree that that's what Rogue One was (which I didn't like very much).   
    KingKobra
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited December 2017
    Stackpile said:
    JaimieT said:
    @KingKobra

    Also I want to say, I'm totally fine with Star Wars becoming non-timeless and solely appealing to the younger generation as a cash-grab and a future nostalgia Goonies piece. I think Rogue One was a good example of that. I can ignore Rogue One and other movies in that category. But fuck with my Skywalker saga 1-9, and damn. I'm not happy. Can it happen? Yes, it just did. But I'm not happy. 

    Thank God JJ Abrams is doing the last one. He's always light on character development, but he consistently uses enough to evoke the heart of the story. 
    huh, yeah your take on it is completely different from mine, I didn't get "non timeless appealing to the younger generation" from this film.  I agree that that's what Rogue One was (which I didn't like very much).   

    I wasn't saying that was my take via that response to @KingKobra -- I was speaking in the theoretical sense, to show I'm not curmudgeonly about the Star Wars universe -- but maybe it's accurate. I think it's too soon to claim that this film even appeals to the younger generation though. Sometimes when you try to please both sides, you hit no man's land. 
  • Melia004 said:
    People can survive in outer space for a limited amount of time, in real life.  Leia just also happened to be able to Force glide.  My problem was that her eyes opened, which would've made them immediately freeze/explode.
    We saw bombs drop in space. The detenator in the first battle fell down a hatch in space. There is sound in space. They've always bent the rules in Star Wars.
    KingKobraMelia004
  • The other question that arises from the way that this movie was conducted:

    Why was R2 dormant for all of TFA? And why did it wake up when it did? Why did luke, who didn't want to be found leave little map pieces indicating his location?

    The assumption in TFA was that Luke had programmed R2 to boot up when a certain event happened (maybe finding Rey, maybe being under attack by Kylo). But since in this movie Luke is shown as legitimately not wanting to be found, why did any of that happen? Not to mention that if Luke ditched his X-Wing, how did R2 get out of the island?


    It may seem nitpicky, but it is stuff like this that left me feeling cold about TLJ. There were all sorts of interesting ideas or possibilities raised, and all of them failed to deliver.
    voodooratJaimieT
  • @joepinetree i felt the same way about R2. I read a theory last year about it but I wont share it here because i think it could still happen.

    feels more of a possible JJ setup that Rain and Kennedy didn't want to pursue in 8.
  • I mean, maybe a lot of these problems can be fixed in IX, but it made TLJ feel like a dud. So many interesting ideas that just get dropped or walked back:
    - Luke's speech about how the force doesn't need the Jedi to balance it gets walked back by Yoda's.
    - Rose says she hates the casino because you can only make that much money by selling to the new order, DJ shows that they sell to both sides, and then... nothing
    - It looks for a bit that they will set up the whole grey jedi thing, and then they walk it back.
    - Poe is an arrogant bastard to female leaders, leads to hundreds of people getting killed because of his mutiny and then... gets to lead people in the end anyways.

    To repeat myself: what bugged me about this movie wasn't that it subverted expectations or that it took star wars in new directions. It's that it looked like they were going to do that, and then just went back and reset everything. We are exactly where we were in the beginning of A New Hope: rebel ship escaping from the new order, dark force user chasing less experienced, new light side potential jedi. Only difference is no death star plans (though I am sure there will be a new superweapon) and that the old jedi master doesn't have to be reached physically.
  • MrX said:
    Lannitik said:
    KingKobra said:


    I think it's as good or maybe better than Return of the King, which ended up winning the Oscar, but IMO is the weakest of the LotR movies. I would rank Fellowship and Two Towers higher than The Last Jedi.
    PLEASE stop the insanity. 

    One had great acting, great cinematography, great story telling. 
    One was decent at all those things, that latter one would be Star Wars. 

    This movie was fine. It was a C+-ish area. 
    Return of the King is the worst and it's still a B+ EASY. 
    JaimieTRid
  • Return of the King was just Two Towers with more battles.
  • JaimieT said:
    @KingKobra

    Maybe it was the fan fiction that everyone wrote in their own heads that made them more disappointed?


    You mean the fan fiction I wrote in my own head based on foreshadowing that is, in fact, me just responding to the storytelling convention of foreshadowing? 

    Some people who defend this movie are both claiming people shouldn't have expectations and then reveling in the fact that their expectations (which they shouldn't have) were subverted. 

    A story that doesn't evoke expectations is a non-story, and audiences that don't cultivate expectations aren't engaging in a story.

    We got nothing from Luke at the end of VII, so I’m not sure how invested in anything he showed to be.

    We got nothing from the end of VII, but we got a lot from the rest of VII. (1) He had a student that rejected him, (2) he is in self-inflicted exile. We also got a lot about Luke from episodes IV-VI that indicate normal human reactions... so he's not a psychopath... so those two events will be affecting him normally. Sorry, you can't say we started with a blank slate with Luke at the beginning of VIII. 

    I was able to just sit back and enjoy the movie rather than try to analyze it. 

    Could you describe to me how you enjoy the dissemination of information (audio and visual) without analysis? Oh, you mean a matter of degree of analysis. Well that's pretty subjective.

    ...what I don’t get it trying to pull down those that did [enjoy the movie].

    I honestly don't mean to do that, and I don't want to do that, but I also recognize that sometimes people hold so strongly to their opinions that it feels like a tear-down when someone says their opinion is weakly supported in the subject matter. I really don't care if someone doesn't want to invest enough time in Star Wars to finely hone their opinion. Or if they have opinions that are just wrong, in my eyes. That's their right. But I'm also allowed to state why I think they're wrong. And I try to do that without personally attacking anyone, although sometimes I do bust out the F-bomb, because passion is a valid tool in persuasive rhetoric. 

    I guess people would rather have something they love die

    Not me. I don't want to pull a "if you actually read what I wrote," so I'll just say I did try to argue how it was important to both evolve and retain timeless elements and be internally consistent. 
    Last part 1st, that was a generalization of folks that have been complaining since VII about the new stuff and how it doesn’t “feel like Star Wars”. They’ll then go on to explain how when they were young they felt xyz. What I’m saying is that for a new generation they need to change some things and keep some of the things the “same”. Who’s to say these won’t be timeless movies for the young folks? If they loved the movies, they are more likely to make them timeless, regardless of how us old folks feel.

    FaN Fiction: you proved my point. You came up with how the story would be good to you. We all do it to some degree, but sometimes that can overshadow what is actually being done. This is especially the case if we don’t know the end game.  

    Luke: The problem is that there have been 30 years between the end of ROTJ and TFA.  If we cant expect growth\change from that time period, then I'm not sure if anything will make due.  You said it yourself he was in self imposed exile for many years from a event that he thought he should be able to handle.  On top everything else he felt he failed his sister, his friend and his nephew.  If being alone stewing with your failures on something you thought you were a master at doesn't make you go a little crazy, I'm not sure what will. 

    Enjoying the movie: I think you misunderstood my post.  During my second viewing I wasn't over analyzing or critiquing things, I was just watching the movie.  my major quibbles, were still quibbles, but instead of "sitting" with them, I was able to pass them on and continue with the movie.  I felt conflicted after my 1st viewing, the second time I enjoyed it much more.

    I know that you and others may not mean to do that, but sometimes it feels that way.  I'm OK with people not liking or even hating the movie.  Not every movie\TV show is going to connect and if they have some well written out reasons (not just "this is trash") it helps the discussion along.  It becomes droning when someone continually repeats the same thing to every post however without adding to the discussion. Now I may not agree or see things the same way, so I may reply to someone whom I see things differently than.  I'm not trying to invalidate their feelings on the movie, just sharing how I saw things differently.

    This post has been a nightmare to write, had to change platform and its still acting funky.  Ive had to rewrite it about 4 times :/
  • MrXMrX CO
    edited December 2017
    gguenot said:
    Return of the King was just Two Towers with more battles.
    I wouldn't go that far. But don't forget the stupid CGI ghost army.

    Don't get me wrong, I love all of Lord of the Rings, including Return, own multiple versions and have watched them a bajillion times. RotK has some of my favorite scenes of the series, but doesn't mean I overlook its flaws.
  • edited December 2017
    I mean, maybe a lot of these problems can be fixed in IX, but it made TLJ feel like a dud. So many interesting ideas that just get dropped or walked back:
    - Luke's speech about how the force doesn't need the Jedi to balance it gets walked back by Yoda's.
    - Rose says she hates the casino because you can only make that much money by selling to the new order, DJ shows that they sell to both sides, and then... nothing
    - It looks for a bit that they will set up the whole grey jedi thing, and then they walk it back.
    - Poe is an arrogant bastard to female leaders, leads to hundreds of people getting killed because of his mutiny and then... gets to lead people in the end anyways.

    To repeat myself: what bugged me about this movie wasn't that it subverted expectations or that it took star wars in new directions. It's that it looked like they were going to do that, and then just went back and reset everything. We are exactly where we were in the beginning of A New Hope: rebel ship escaping from the new order, dark force user chasing less experienced, new light side potential jedi. Only difference is no death star plans (though I am sure there will be a new superweapon) and that the old jedi master doesn't have to be reached physically.
    i'm still trying to isolate the big picture issue I have with the movie, aside from the minor nit-picky stuff that I and others have listed, and I think @joepinetree has touched on it. All the emotional touchstones and stakes in this movie ended up undercut. It's not an expectations thing for me from trailers (as I skip them), but an expectations thing for good dramatic storytelling. Examples:

    - Finn dying would have meant something. Much like the rumor of Ford wanting Solo to die in RotJ, it would have meant something. But Rose (and Poe to some extent) ruin that so that...
    - Luke can have a showdown to buy some time. Great gambit. So great that I can overlook that Luke was never in mortal danger. And then he dies bc the strain of the projection was too much??? I was like, "What, really? Natural causes?" OK, I guess. But I know his ghost will be back. It worked when Obi-Wan died, but the emotional power of the trick has been used up.
    - Leia dying (meta stuff aside) would have given some weight to the film. Whether it happened as a result of team Kylo's attack or if she had been the one to pull the Picard kamikaze maneuver.  
    - The whole Snoke throne room scene, while technically great, is a rehash of Jedi. And nothing comes from it (from a character viewpoint). as @JaimieT points out. Rey is just inherently good, despite Luke previously telling us that she sought out the dark side w/o hesitation. 
    - Rey gets an answer to her parentage. Can we trust it? No idea.

    It felt like much of the story was mapped out for effect, and then they back the characters into the decisions, instead of having the characters make decisions based on who they are. I'm left asking who is the hero of this movie and what setbacks or challenges did they overcome? If it's Luke, he spent most of it on his ass until Yoda prodded him to do something. If it's Rey, it doesn't appear that she and Luke planned the rescue together, so it looks like she's there to rescue people in the same way Leia rescued Luke at the end of ESB. Maybe it should have been Kylo as an anti-hero, since he is the one who had the most development: https://www.avclub.com/rian-johnson-explains-his-motivation-for-the-death-of-1821385113
  • It’s going to be really interesting to see what Puzzle Box Boy does with IX now that he has to tell an original story without all of his cheap little mysteries. I’m really glad Trevorrow isn’t doing this, but I really hope I’m not disappointed that RJ didn’t stick around to finish it out.
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    edited December 2017
    My older boy is sick today so we snuck out and saw it.

    I left feeling “meh”, with being borderline disappointed and kinda not liking it.  

    Visuals were cool but just weak characters, dialogue and just the general plot.

    How do you manage to turn Binecio del Toro into a character as cartoonish as Jar Jar Binks?

    I’m not gonna shit all over it. I still had fun.  I wouldn’t want to see it again.  Just another big Star Wars nurd who wanted so much to love this movie in a double fist-pump way, but it was sorta just long, dragging and uneventful.  
    JaimieTRid
  • https://www.yahoo.com/news/major-last-jedi-plot-point-162000229.html

    Short version: In Rogue One Jyn on Scarif while looking for the Death star plans rattles off a bunch of random plans the Empire is working on and 1 was Hyperspace tracking. Empire started working on it and First Order completed it. I Love it.
  • https://www.yahoo.com/news/major-last-jedi-plot-point-162000229.html

    Short version: In Rogue One Jyn on Scarif while looking for the Death star plans rattles off a bunch of random plans the Empire is working on and 1 was Hyperspace tracking. Empire started working on it and First Order completed it. I Love it.
    Ah that's pretty sweet.
  • DaveyMacDaveyMac Tokyo
    edited December 2017
    The other question that arises from the way that this movie was conducted:

    Why was R2 dormant for all of TFA? And why did it wake up when it did? Why did luke, who didn't want to be found leave little map pieces indicating his location?

    The assumption in TFA was that Luke had programmed R2 to boot up when a certain event happened (maybe finding Rey, maybe being under attack by Kylo). But since in this movie Luke is shown as legitimately not wanting to be found, why did any of that happen? Not to mention that if Luke ditched his X-Wing, how did R2 get out of the island?


    It may seem nitpicky, but it is stuff like this that left me feeling cold about TLJ. There were all sorts of interesting ideas or possibilities raised, and all of them failed to deliver.
    But J.J. did answer the R2 question in an interview, which to me was really unsatisfying. In that scene where BB8 was talking to dormant R2, he was telling R2 he had a piece of a map and he was asking R2 if he had the rest. R2 then spent the remainder of the movie searching the archives that he stole from the Death Star in ANH to find the rest of the map. He came alive when he finally found it, conveniently when the audience was still down about losing Han and needed something to be triumphant about. J.J. said as much. 
    [Deleted User]
  • Hmm, I’m actually curious about something.
    How does everyone who liked/didn’t like this movie feel about Rogue One?
  • Anyways, I really like this movie. Carry on. 
    DaveyMac
  • Alkaid13 said:
    Hmm, I’m actually curious about something.
    How does everyone who liked/didn’t like this movie feel about Rogue One?
    I loved TLJ and I enjoyed R1
  • MrXMrX CO
    edited December 2017
    Loved TLJ (only one watch so far). Really liked R1, and I'm finding it to have high "rewatchable" value on Netflix so I think it's grown on me.
    gguenot
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