Counterpart on Starz

Anyone else see this? JK Simmons plays two versions of the same man. The world split into two timelines about 30 years ago and there is limited communication and travel back and forth. Some spy/thriller stuff, and the two versions are a mousey low level guy while his counterpart is more on the spy side.

Supposed to be 10 episodes. Will probably watch.
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  • I loved the pilot, will definitely watch!
    Elisa
  • We discussed it a little bit in the following thread:
    http://forums.baldmove.com/discussion/4448/early-2018-shows-january-to-february

    Its def on my watch list. 
    Elisa
  • ElisaElisa Los Angeles
    Watched the pilot on Saturday. Pretty good so far and I am very intrigued.
    Jovial_Falcon
  • Ex-G.O.T actor Harry Lloyd who played Viserys Targaryen was pretty good in it too. Didn't recognize him at first.
    ElisaMofojones333rkcrawf
  • Pilot was very good. JK is amazing. Can't wait to see what he does with this role. Promising concept.
    ElisaMofojones333Jovial_FalconNoobieDoozrkcrawf
  • Pilot was very good. JK is amazing. Can't wait to see what he does with this role. Promising concept.
    @hypergenesb ; Agree with every word here..! :)
    Elisa
  • Caught the second epsidoe, going to have to watch again, but it still enjoyable to watch. JK was recently interviewed by Bill Simmons, but they only lightly touched on this show. 
    Elisa
  • Did everyone else see the twist coming in episode 3? I didn't but should have if I were the kind of watcher who goes into shows looking for them.

    I like the show a lot. JK Simmons is just awesome. Starz on demand has it available earlier than broadcast time, at least morning of the same day. 
    ElisaKingKobra
  • ElisaElisa Los Angeles
    So far it is really great.  The first episode introduced us to Howard Silk and the knowledge that there is an alt world created 30 years ago in Berlin, because our world was conducting experiments.  Season 2 we got more information on Nadia/Baldwin the assassin from the alt world and clued into the fact that there is a cold war in play that could turn into a full out war for crimes made by our world.  In Season 3, we find more about Howard's wife Emily who was actually a spy and crosser between worlds. Really enjoying the show.  Hope I didn't spoil too much.
    KingKobraken hale
  • Something I noticed while watching epsidoe 3 tonight, there are no birds on the other side. Emily when on “our” side, looks up and around before getting into the car to go home. She wasn’t really looking st anything in particular, but then I noticed the abscence of birds when we were on the other side. Not sure if this is correct, but it was my initial take. Epside 4 was just as good as the 1st three and I’m looking forward to Howard Prime taking a more active role.  
    Elisablacksunrise7
  • This is one of the better TV shows on TV right now. Feels like The Americans meets Fringe
    They are drizzling out just the right amount of information to support a quality spy story without blowing it into an overly complex plot. That's a precarious line to walk. 
    KingKobraElisarkcrawf
  • @hypergenesb I was trying to figure out what shows this show was like and those are the same two I came up with. 
    hypergenesb
  • ElisaElisa Los Angeles
    Two of my favorites but yes!  This show keeps getting better and better.  Cold War Spy/ Alt world Sci-Fi with some comedic moments added, it is just so good.
    blacksunrise7
  • wasiwasi Melbourne, AU
    Just binged all 6 eps to date over the last two days and think it's great.  Surprised there's not more buzz..
    ElisaKingKobra
  • ElisaElisa Los Angeles
    I know kinda sad. Big reveal this episode and more levels of intrigue in motion. It’s so good. 
    KingKobra
  • Holy cow, this show is good. I'm more and more impressed as the season progresses. 
    This season will make for excellent binging. 
    ElisaKingKobra
  • Elisa said:
    I know kinda sad. Big reveal this episode and more levels of intrigue in motion. It’s so good. 
    Starz did jack to promote it. Even when JK was out doing interviews it didn’t get much play. The espionage /thriller aspect of this show has me wrapped up much more than the Fringesque universe. I also agree that this show keeps getting better as it goes. Hopefully either @A_Ron_Hubbard or @Jim can catch it.
    Elisarkcrawf
  • I just watched about 20 seconds of the trailer I’m in! I’m going to watch at least one tonight. Very intriguing! Hope it sticks this could be great!
    Elisa
  • @KingKobra Exactly. The espionage story is the core (they even set the show in Germany to hit that part home), the Fringeverse element is mostly decoration but also adds some novelty to the espionage story. 
    KingKobraElisa
  • I like seeing JK Simmons play the two versions of himself, and how each reacts to the other's life.

    It's funny, I mainly know him as Tenzin from Legend of Korra, a very different character from Silk.

    And neither different from, different to, nor different than feels right to me in that sentence...
  • Great background episode this week. They are really trying to put you through the doubt ringer. 
    wasiElisa
  • wasiwasi Melbourne, AU
    Best episode yet!

    Clare <3 ..hard to have much sympathy for that cheating bastard! >:P
    Elisa
  • chriskchrisk Indianapolis
    edited March 5
    A few things that bug me - 

    1. Why are these people in the Prime world so convinced the flu was from the Alpha world? And why do they think it was a hostile act? I assume we'll get some explanation on that. Clearly the bureaucracy on the Prime side doesn't believe it, so why do all these other seemingly intelligent people?

    2. Clare is a little girl when her parents die, presumably a few weeks or months into this flu outbreak. Immediately she goes to this school, where they appear to have already been training these kids to infiltrate the Alpha world in retaliation. Either they ramped things up awfully fast, or the flu took a few years to spread. I suppose that's possible, and maybe they've said that already.

    3. How lax is the security on the Alpha side that all these duplicates can come over and remain untracked? Shouldn't they be fingerprinted and tracked (if not accompanied). Clare for example - you'd think there'd be some attention paid to who she claims to be (don't recall if she used an alias),and some effort made to find her counterpart before they authorize the crossing. Presumably there are moles throughout the bureaucracy built around the portal and maybe they've shown that more than I'm remembering. Seems like the infiltration would have to be extensive for any of this to work.


    Apart from that, the depiction of the portal is interesting. No actual doorway, or even a defined "line" - just an underground hallway with two sides that seem to mirror each other. In the extras, one of the producers says something about hoping viewers piece together how the portal works from the visual clues given - paraphrasing from memory there, I could be off. So far there doesn't seem much special about it or much to work out. I'm curious if there's something about this whole situation that isn't as it seems. No idea what that would mean though.
    Elisa
  • 1) Propaganda is a hell of a thing. Who on the other side is actively denying this? All it would take is a few people in the right power positions and it’s a “fact”. Only those in power know of the other side, so to everyone else this was just a mass epidemic. 

    2) the flu would have spread like it does now, but since this was something that would not have been prepared for over there, the results would have been catastrophic. The school was probably set up soon after they found out what happened. It also looks like they are taking orphans of the flu epidemic which would make them that much more effective since the kids would have motivation to revenge parents/family deaths. 

    3) everyone is a duplicate unless there are confirmed deaths. We already know that the school has very powerful backers and getting the agents into the other dimension while difficult is not impossible with the right cover story. 

    This is is of course just what I’ve lightly gleaned from the show and information they’ve dropped to us.  
    Elisa
  • @chrisk A Nobel Peace Prize winner and South African president actually believe the CIA created AIDS in a super secret military laboratory. Seriously. So I have no issues with the sect believing the other side deliberately infected their world.

    Plus... what if they're right? There's a certain Machiavellian genius in doing something like this to gain a preemptive upper hand over the other side so I wouldn't be surprised if this is a reveal at some point.
    Elisa
  • chriskchrisk Indianapolis
    edited March 6
    I'm just not sure what's gained from waging war on the other side. Kind of unsatisfying isn't it? What would winning be? You don't win territory. Nobody knows if there's a moral victory. And who are the trying to punish? Everyone in the alpha world? Just the bureaucracy? Do they win when they kill 7% of their population? 

    Seems like a better strategy would be to go after your own government and then try to seal the portal somehow, and put an end to all of it.

    Also, as loose as the security appears to be, they'd have snuck all sorts of tech across and reverse engineered it by now.

    Obviously that's not the story they're telling. It's hard for me to keep from thinking about this stuff. 
  • chrisk said:
    I'm just not sure what's gained from waging war on the other side. Kind of unsatisfying isn't it? What would winning be? You don't win territory. Nobody knows if there's a moral victory. And who are the trying to punish? Everyone in the alpha world? Just the bureaucracy? Do they win when they kill 7% of their population? 

    Seems like a better strategy would be to go after your own government and then try to seal the portal somehow, and put an end to all of it.

    Also, as loose as the security appears to be, they'd have snuck all sorts of tech across and reverse engineered it by now.

    Obviously that's not the story they're telling. It's hard for me to keep from thinking about this stuff. 
    We do this in different ways today and have throughout history in our own world, what makes this alternate any different?  There will always be people to see a perceived threat even if one isn’t present. 

    As far as security goes, people and fake papers are much easier than tech since they get scanned and searched when crossing. It’s not loose security either, but rather people high enough with enough connections to get this stuff done. 
    Elisa
  • It's funny, I didn't like this episode much  because there wasn't enough JK Simmons. :) I wonder how common my viewpoint is vs everyone else who liked it here. Are there any good sites that list reviews by episode?
  • ElisaElisa Los Angeles
    Tv after dark has a round table by episode. 
  • I'm not sure I believe that character would say the last line... Wonder if they will make something interesting of it or if it will just fizzle out
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