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PcherryPcherry Auburn, AL
Hi all,  like A_ron i've fallen down the Fortnite hole.   If anyone wants to duo, squad, or work together in save the world part.  Put you name in and add as a friend.  mine is thulsadoom1333.
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  • DrewDrew indianapolis
    PS4?  jffhrdy42
    Really getting into it lately after my experiences with PUBG on XBone I decided Fortnite was way better.  Definitely looking for Save the World mode help, still early in the story but to a point where defending at the end of a mission wipes out all my resources and ammo so getting help on that would be great.
  • WonderedObjectWonderedObject SAN Francisco, CA
    Wonderedobject

    but fair warning, I'm pretty terrible. It's addicting!
  • PcherryPcherry Auburn, AL
    Yes, I'm on ps4.   and as for not being good?  trust me, i won't be asked to join SEAL team 6 anytime soon :)
  • I'm game - I'm not great but not the worst - PS4 - cheinti
  • for you Fortnite fans

    FlashGordon
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    This motherfucking thread got me watching Fortnite streams now. I can't finish Star Trek. What is my life?
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited March 13
    So why don't we like Ninja? This was mentioned in the stream yesterday. (A commenter said it; I can't remember who.) 

    1. So the guy gets a lot of money but like, who cares? A lot of entertainers get a lot of money. I think people are viewing it more critically because it's transparent, how much he's getting. It just doesn't seem to be any of my business, although I'm not knocking people for being put off by it.
    2. It was said that he was "cringey." How? Because he tries to be funny and sometimes it doesn't work? Eh, he's 26. I think it's a little endearing.
    3. He's just fucking fantastic at the game and it's thrilling to watch and I don't care if he gloats about it some. 

    But maybe I'm way off base about why people find him so annoying. 

    It's a mystery!

    Someone mentioned in the stream/chat (not naming names, unless someone wants to out themselves) that Ninja can put them off with a single statement, make them change the channel. Wow, I have no idea what could possibly do that. He seems... consistently himself. 

    I doubt I'll watch him forever, but for the moment he's fun. 
  • I was the one that said he can be cringey and A.Ron said he can put him off with a single statement. Just cause I think he can be cringey doesn’t mean I don’t like him, I just get a high cringe factor from him sometimes. 

    (Figured I could name A.Ron since he’s the public figure on the stream and all)
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited March 13
    gguenot said:
    I was the one that said he can be cringey and A.Ron said he can put him off with a single statement. Just cause I think he can be cringey doesn’t mean I don’t like him, I just get a high cringe factor from him sometimes. 

    (Figured I could name A.Ron since he’s the public figure on the stream and all)

    Can you define "cringe"? So many things can make me cringe. I'm not trying to change your mind or anything; it just interests me that I'm not seeing it.

    No, it wasn't A.Ron who said he was put off with a single statement, FWIW. But let's just keep narrowing this down. :P
  • gguenotgguenot CA
    edited March 13
    He may not have said that exact phrase but at 2:06:30 he said that Ninja will wind up saying something to make him roll his eyes and then he switches streams.
    (I’m channeling ninjas cringe by going out of my way to find that time stamp) lol

     I really have no basis to go off of but it’s just a feeling I have towards him. Happy for his success, just cringey sometimes. I think he even has a “cringja” emote, so he knows it’s a thing— at least he rolls with it.

    edit: I might have misread/misinterpreted your statement. I took “put off with a single statement” as temporarily tunning out. We may be referring to different points in the stream. My bad if I misunderstood you
    JaimieT
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    All reactions and feelings have a cause? But ok, well, thanks for humoring this far.
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    edited March 13
    What follows is my complete opinion on Ninja.  I am the rare Ninja semi-detractor that is not going to bag on him for being "Crinja".  I'm with Jaimie, that is kind of adorable.  

    Ninja is a lot of fun to watch.  He's got a nervous energy that's contagious, he has some shtick that just works and is funny, he's literally the best I've seen at the game and he keeps working on aspects of new mechanics like the impulse grenade until he's just an artist.  He uses traps, taunts, and high skill plays to not just defeat opponents, but to hilariously destroy their ego.  There are a couple of plays that I'm sure has led to the other player rage quitting the game.  Sometimes this backfires and Ninja's reaction to playing himself is funnier than whatever the thing he is trying to do.  His work ethic is legendary.  He is clearly data driven, and slowly hones his stream schedule and marketing to reach the maximum number of viewers.  Even his pivot to Fortnite from PUBG was masterful.

    But I tell you what, it's not fun to watch him berate a 30+ year old streamer for making a minor mistake in what is essentially a perpetual exhibition match.  For example, two nights ago, Dr. Lupo and him briefly discussed their healing situation after a tense run out of a zone.  I forget the exact deal, but Lupo had a full med kit and Ninja had a mix of bandages and shields and one of them had a camp fire.  Lupo offered ninja his medkit, ninja said he didn't want it, so Lupo used the campfire to start both of them healing.  Ninja immediately jumped down his throat and said why didn't you use the medkit.  Lupo was kinda joking trying to defuse the situation and explain that they just discussed what they had and what they didn't and Ninja cut him off with the following dialog.  "No no no no NO!  NO!  BEN! BEN! (Lupo's real name) It doesn't fucking matter what we discussed, or what you said the med kit takes up a inventory slot and the campfire doesn't, it was stupid to use the campfire instead of the medkit.  Period."  About 30 seconds of awkward silence follows. Ninja realizes he's been a dick and kind of tries to make up for it, but the chemistry was fucked up because that's just something Ninja does.  Now, that's a completely valid point he's trying to make.  There are a billion ways to make it without being a dick, but he went with maximum dick.  Again, in a glorified expedition match.

    I've seen him stream with top 10 players, and he continually back stream drives them (often when he's dead, which is extra LOL), something he'd never tolerate.  Granted, he's better than them all, but when you have a pack of top players in squads all this back seat bitching is just a very bad look.  And if you switch to the guy who's playing with's perspective, they are not having a good time.  It's making them and their community feel bad, it's not fun.

    He also poorly manages his community.  He indulges troublemakers and people who are trying to scam him or work an angle and spends five minutes of a stream passively aggressively arguing with them and using what I think he thinks is a Dad voice on them.  Like, the second he reads a donation asking him to look at a gofundme I know that the stream is going to be trash for the next 15 minutes.  Five for him to make a show of refunding the money and scolding the dude, five because he's fuming for it, and five awkward minutes while he tries to get mentally back into the game.

    And why is he even in charge of this? His wife, who bills herself as his manager, is always upstairs watching the bachelor.  If she can't screen his donos and handle all this stuff that takes him out of the game, maybe fucking hire somebody with your million dollar a month funding.  Maybe spend some money on your busted ass presentation.  Take some notes from the doc.  Get a dance studio for your pon pon routine.  Work on your lighting.  Get a green screen studio to hide the ridiculous guest bedroom studio he's rocking.  Like, this stuff wouldn't take a $1000 bucks to do.  If I were him I'd hire a designer and contractor to just build an awesome studio for me.  If it costs $50k, it would be money well spent.  If Club Bald Move started making a million dollars a month, do you think we'd hem and haw about ditching the shit we got now and getting some quality gear?  Honestly, I'd be embarrassed not to.  He joked last week about how trivial getting a better camera setup would be and "I just need to pull the trigger on it, but I'm too lazy, haha".  Haha?  Really?  

    And yeah, I think a guy who went from a comfortable living to getting a million a month or more thrown at him has a greater obligation than the mere accumulation of wealth.  Like, what are his plans?  I see his wife streaming with her expensive clothes and leather hand bags in their awesome kitchen and that's cool and all, but what is he going to do with this wealth?  The other thing is he comes from an admittedly upper middle class family but he carries himself and goes on long rants as if he worked for and earned everything like he came out of the slums of Brazil.  It's also a complete roll of the dice whether you're going to get something good from an interaction with him.   

    Finally, if you keep watching, he's a funny guy, but about 15% of his act is what I consider indulging in racists stereotypes, because he's just joking, guys.  And when this is pointed out to him, he's not the racists the person politely saying that his offensive stereotypes are, offensive, and that twitch has a lot of black, asian, gay, trans, etc viewers he just doubles down and says that if people can't get a joke that's their problem.  That's such a foolish attitude, and indicitive of someone who has no idea of how lucky and powerful they are.

    It's just frustrating for me to see a young guy like this in a position to transform twitch into something even more amazing and inclusive just shrug his shoulders and keep stacking bills.  It's very Walter White after awhile.  

    Some of this stuff should have bothered me about the Doc, probably, but I only watched him for about six weeks before his fall from grace, and he was playing a character besides.  I always assumed bigger and better things were being planned in the background.  Ninja is pretty young and pretty sheltered.  If he grows up a bit more he can be something more than the most popular streamer on twitch.  It's the difference between Michael Jordan (unquestionably the best player in his generation, perhaps of all time.  Famously refused to comment on politics and social justice because "Republicans buy Nike too"), and Lebron James (also unquestionably the best player in his generation, realizes he has fuck you money already, speaks his mind to power and is making himself into a political force).  

    I'm not saying people shouldn't watch Ninja.  Hell, I still do.  I make it until he does one of the things that makes me turn him off.  I'm just saying I genuinely believe he could be more successful, with a much broader definition of "success" if he grows up a bit, maybe sees a therapist for his control/empathy issues, and learns a bit of humility.  
    JaimieTgguenotken haleSuperDuperKyle
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited March 13
    Thank you @A_Ron_Hubbard. Maybe now I can stop watching Fortnite streams 24/7 and get back to Star Trek: Discovery and rebuilding what's left of my life. 

    Backstory: I've only been watching him, religiously, for about 2 weeks.

    1. I have seen him be rude. I didn't see the Dr. Lupo incident, but I watched him do it to Shroud. He was making fun of Shroud's music tastes and it started to get aggressive enough that Shroud said, "Does it even matter what music you listen to?" and it was awkward silence for 2 minutes. It's like he gets so caught up in being clever he forgets he's talking to a person. That's its own Crinja. I think I remember someone referencing that he's always thinking about entertainment value.  :|
    2. Great point about how he's not managing his community well. Him chiding someone for self-promotion or whatever gets so old. Put it in a disclaimer pre-donation and don't even read it.
    3. Interesting point about how his wife isn't doing it either. I didn't even know that was her job.
    4. I suspect the lack of production values is part of the charm. He's "real." Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but a shitty backdrop doesn't affect the stream, and it does make it seem like he needs some help. He is pretty smart and I suspect he's riding the wave as long as he can.
    5. Re: "what are his plans?" I don't think I understand that criticism because I'm not where you are. To me, I'm like: Investing in the stock market...? A savings account...? I've never given the guy a cent though. Or had money handed to me for entertainment. I've no respect for the transaction.

    Again, thanks for your response. I find this all very fascinating.
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    I probably think this is amusing because I'm a fan of MustardPlays.



    Speaking of good streamers, he's a super nice guy who streams on YouTube. I got hooked on him for Breath of the Wild, and two of his brothers are creators of Fortnite. Very kid friendly, IMO, if anyone here has kids. :)
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    The "what is he doing with his money" is the least bothersome thing, but it's something I do think about.  It's not something that makes me turn of the Twitch, but I do think about it, even from a "are you talking to an advisor?" kind of level?  

    And I get that the low budget is part of the appeal, but I think that only carries so far.  Last week he showed what a disgusting pig sty his workstation had become, with just empty fast food containers, bowls, glasses, kleenex everywhere, and maybe that's a smart play for a guy who's streaming in front of a lot of young dudes who are living in a similar kind of chaos and disarray, but I don't know.  He's 27 and rich.  Maybe that's not something to aspire to?  Maybe that's one of the many gamer stereotypes that is holding us back?  100k viewers is amazing, but if he were a bit more inclusive and mature could he be doing even better?

    I just keep comparing him to Cez/CDN, who is outwardly more bro'd out but seems like he's actually trying to build a positive community at the expense of perhaps more rapid growth.  He demands his chat keep a level of decorum and respect for him, themselves, and each other that I admire.  And he's only 22?  Which I find absolutely incredible. I find myself having more fun and more consistently positive experiences on his channel compared to Ninja.  But I do keep tuning into Ninja because he's so goddamn good.
    JaimieT
  • Hold up. Ninja makes a million or more a month? Eight year old me would have died of a heart attack if I heard that was possible. 
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    Yeah, if you add up his donos, subs, and YouTube stream it's probably pretty close to a million. It also isn't slowing down. He was north of 160k subs today.
    JaimieT
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    I watched Shroud a few hours tonight. He's not bad at all. And he's mature. 
    gguenot
  • To echo Aron, if Ninja had Doc’s production efforts he’d be unstoppable, as it stands now, if he doesn’t keep his stream fresh he can’t sustain the numbers.

    If he has half a brain, which I think he does and much more, he and his children’s children should be set for the rest of their lives. Feels good man
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    gguenot said:
    To echo Aron, if Ninja had Doc’s production efforts he’d be unstoppable, as it stands now, if he doesn’t keep his stream fresh he can’t sustain the numbers.

    If he has half a brain, which I think he does and much more, he and his children’s children should be set for the rest of their lives. Feels good man
    Also, Ninja is really great, but I don't think he's the best at any one aspect of the game.  Like, TSM_Myth might be a better builder, Krafty and Lupo are much better snipers, Doc is funnier.  Ninja has the whole package and is pretty unmatched in terms of speed and aggression, but I think he's vulnerable if the Twitch "meta" changes from Fortnite or if more entertaining, higher skilled players eclipse him.  There isn't really a Ninja "brand".  Shroud is kind of similar, he came out of no where to top the charts in PUBG based on insane raw skill.  I'm surprised Jaimie likes him, as I don't find him very entertaining unless he's duo or squads with more entertaining players.  But the meta shifted from PUBG to Fortnite, he was slow to respond, and has lost a lot of audience.

    Twitch is fascinating.  It's the wild west of the internet right now.
    JaimieT
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited March 14
    Is TSM_Myth why they call it "myth-building"?

    I wouldn't say I like Shroud... That was the first time I watched his channel (he was in duos), and I napped a bit. He's a good player. I think I was most impressed with how he shot down Ninja with the, "Does it really matter what music I listen to?" last week. Also whoever Shroud was in duos with (Chad?) made a joke about something Shroud was doing, saying, "Did you learn that from Ninja?" and Shroud brushed it off in a respectful yet revealing manner. I need that draaaaaama.

    You know what I like about Ninja? The tenor of his voice. He has a caustic voice. It stings but it's satisfying, like Coca-Cola. 


  • Yea I have to give Ninja some credit for his business decision in transitioning to Fortnite. Not only does it seem like a more viewer-friendly game, but he had put out a video talking about his acknowledgement that he was a small fish in a big pond playing PUBG and looking for a new game to make his name in. He was still really good and I even think his team won a PUBG invitational category (funny, I remember he won like $20K and thought it was a lot of money). I don’t think he knew how big the game would become and how much he would blow up, but he at least knew he needed a new game for the chance to blow up 

    The thing with his lack of a true brand is that Fortnite will be usurped by another game in the next 1-2 years, it happened with H1Z1 and PUBG. The reason why Doc can sustain his 30-40K view numbers no matter what game he plays is because people come for his brand, not his skill. 
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited March 14
    Three thoughts:

    1. I can't get into the Doc. What the fuck is up with the hair? What am I looking at? What are all the graphics about? Is the overwhelming nature of them some kind of parody? I don't think he's funny, but I haven't watched too much so maybe I'm missing inside jokes.
    2. The whole reason I started watching Fortnite is I heard the style was "cartoony" or something, I think from A_Ron, and I'm over ugly "realistic" video games. Is that a female demographic thing or just a Jaimie thing? Maybe it's the future. I hope.
    3. I enjoy how every player is referred to as a man, even if the avatar is a woman. IE, "There's a guy to the south. He sniped me." Woman avatar. 
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    1) I think you're allowed bewilderment for 30 minutes or so.  If you don't kind of "get it" after then, then maybe it's not for you to get.  The character of Doc is pretty deep.  On the surface, he's the golden god "face of twitch" with "millions" in the arena each day.  Beneath that, there is a layer of patheticness, because he's an over the hill has-been still clinging to his gaming success of 93-94, he drives a 30 year old lambo, he has the mullet, the pornstache, the shitty dance moves, the maniac laughter, and underpinning it all Doc's insecurity runs pretty close to the surface.  Beneath that is Guy Bheam, who is an actually physically impressive and accomplished guy who doesn't take any of it very seriously.  He's essentially constructed like a wrestling heel type of character that can be enjoyed at various levels of ironic attachment. 

    2) I think both are fun, but the cartoony style comes in and out of vogue.  I'm an art-whore, so I love anything with a definable style.  Having said that, I do appreciate the realism of PUBG.  Like, rolling up in a jeep with four dudes and assaulting a desert compound looks and sounds exactly like you imagine it, vs Fortnite where people are parachuting in with rainbow gliders.

    3) That's a tough one to break.  It's crazy how ingrained the "girls don't play videogames" mental block is, even as I'm married to an avid and accomplished gamer.  I find I refer to Cecily as "dude" a lot when we're playing Fortnite.  It's super silly.  I caught myself assuming gender a few times during my fortnite session this week.  I think it's worth it, because obviously women enjoy video games and twitch, and if you can at the minimum acknowledge their existence, I feel that would make an attractive place for them to hang out.
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    3) And the singular "they" is so pervasive now, there's really no excuse for most people. "Player to the south. They sniped me," Done. Or just refer to the women avatars as women and the male avatars as men, the end. There's this overtone that they want to take advantage of the female form, even if it's just to change things up, but still "be a man" because heaven forbid. 

    I mean I know most players are men, but I (recently) come from a D&D tradition where you RP the gender you pick, and it's not that hard.

    But sure, it is a tough one to break in a 20-minute battle royale game.
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    edited March 15
    Annnndddd... Ninja just played squads with Drake and Travis Scott for 700k people. Jesus Christ, forget everything I said, there is no ceiling to what he can do at this moment.
    JaimieTgguenot
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited March 15
    Annnndddd... Ninja just played squads with Drake and Travis Scott for 700k people. Jesus Christ, forget everything I said, there is no ceiling to what he can do at this moment.

    With very little warning. When I switched over to his channel last night around 9pm, he mentioned re: Drake "It's gonna happen soon, and it'll just happen when it does" (rough quote). Unless I missed something. 

    Very cool. 
    gguenot
  • Haha pretty nuts. Huge for Twitch and streamers in general!
    JaimieT
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    Ninja's setup just became shit. You thought it was bad before...
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    He mentioned he's moving? Looks like Sanford and Son, haha.
    Luke
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