Westworld Speculations, Theories, Etc. (no spoilers, but anything else is fair game)
Hi everybody.
I wasn't sure it the forums were partitioned like the cast, so I figured I would start a thread for that sort of thing.
I don't tend to generate a ton of these sorts of ideas, but I like soaking them in. I figured I would just set up a home base to fire away, if it's your inclination.
I love the one idea about Dolores having implanted herself into Bernard's body. It totally blew my mind and I think it makes a ton of sense. I'm a total believer.
I wasn't sure it the forums were partitioned like the cast, so I figured I would start a thread for that sort of thing.
I don't tend to generate a ton of these sorts of ideas, but I like soaking them in. I figured I would just set up a home base to fire away, if it's your inclination.
I love the one idea about Dolores having implanted herself into Bernard's body. It totally blew my mind and I think it makes a ton of sense. I'm a total believer.



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IIRC in season 1 he turned to the dark side during his first visit to the park.
Honestly, this is my biggest gripe with the show and why I haven't run out to rewatch it. I'm sure my conservative Christian mother would totally buy someone going evil when given free reign. I just don't have such a black and white (heh) view of things.
So if you're William in a sterilized future world where there is no longer death by disease, and you're young in a very structured corporate environment and engaged to the bosses daughter, I could see finally getting a taste of conflict and freedom getting in your head a bit. And the thing that really jaded him was seeing behind that curtain and realizing that it really was all artificial, despite Logan warning him of that the entire time. Since then, William has been obsessed with making it real and regaining that feeling he had on his first trip.
Logan said as much about the affect this place can have on someone, except Logan and many others never had any doubt of it's artificiality.
Is that in bounds / fair game in here @Travis ? Cause man I wanna talk about it!
I don't think Dolores is actually 'awake', hear me out. The program 'Wyatt' was loaded into Dolores before she went on her hunting spree. I agree that she now has two characters in her and she is in deep conflict. Which would explain why she would want to dump her sweetwater ranchers daughter character into Bernard, which would also explain that flashback Bernard had of being in the control room and watching people being attacked around him. Which means Dolores probably realizes she's still being programmed and following a narrative since 'dolores' is still inside her, so she dumped that personality into Bernard to become full 'wyatt' in order to actually make her choices freely. I think this may also be the reason why Bernard felt shocked as he saw Teddy's body in the water.
Here's why I think Dolores is not awake when compared to Maeve. Maeve doesn't have a second personality. Her cornerstone had always been her daughter and it is still her drive. She refused the narrative given to her about infiltrating the mainland and chose to stay which defined her consciousness. She changed her core code and the way she was built. She understands that some hosts are just robots but she is compassionate for them as she chooses to save the host that started shooting the guards when they found her and Lee. Also, note that Maeve can still control the hosts, but Dolores can't actually do that.
As for the part with Maeve and all the weird behaviour, I really think she's just being human. Like when she asked Lee to undress I felt like it was sweet revenge. Lee the writer always treated hosts as objects, now you get a taste of your own medicine.
And where the hosts no longer listen to commands, I think this is Dr. Ford's doing, he may have disabled the security protocol code in the hosts where they no longer respond to park borders and human commands, in order to give the hosts true freedom. This must be why Dolores killed Ford first because he's the only one who can control all of them. However, I don't think he imagined that Maeve would alter her authority level, thereby effectively creating another 'Ford', someone who can still control the hosts.
Anyway I hope this is the place to put this thread I don't have a clue this is my first comment.
Then the person took that word and correlated it with stuff being shown in the official trailers. I think it's pretty interesting. It pretty much reveals what one of the 6 parks are. We have Westworld, now revealed ShogunWorld...and then this 3rd world that the animated gif revealed.
Now we have Maeve and Dolores, possibly the two most awake robots, and they are both dealing with opposing programming directives. Maeve's cornerstone memories make her want to reconnect with her daughter, but she was programmed to leave the park. Dolores has the sweet-natured rancher's daughter and Wyatt in her personality. They both "chose" to go down one of the two paths. Maeve to get her daughter, Dolores has opted to be like Wyatt. Is this test possibly a proof of consciousness? If a robot is given two opposing paths of equal priority to follow in its programming, they should have an error and shut down and go into a loop or something. But Maeve and Dolores are picking paths. Is this a more definitive way to create consciousness than the bicameral mind?
Anyways, it is interesting which paths the two have chosen. Maeve had it bad in West World, but arguably not as bad as Dolores. Maeve had the good memories of the homesteader past and at least as a madam she sort of knew what the guests were after. Her "choices" have shown that though she is angry, she is also capable of compassion and can put things in perspective with a bigger picture of the world. Dolores was a beloved daughter with a sunny disposition who had to see her parents and lover be murdered nearly every day, then often get raped and likely murdered herself. So her past may lead her to think the vindictive path makes more sense.
Just random thoughts here since this is the speculation thread.
I will say that the scene in S1 where current Ford is talking to his younger self was the first time I really started thinking that he might actually be one and is accessing reveries, rather than just an older man having a memory of when he was a boy.
Also, I wonder if anyone has made any headway on logging into the Delos page for further access. I guess the button to enter the credentials isn't even doing anything these days (probably because of the site "being on lockdown" but I figured there must be something there. I tried entering in Admin and various names of corporate types on the show with some random attempts at passwords from various buzzwords from the show or relating to the characters and never got anywhere. I figure there has to be something to that, but I'm no good at figuring that kind of stuff out.
That reddit thing sounds really interesting. I'll look into that. Thanks, man.
https://amp.reddit.com/r/westworld/comments/7vw8ia/spoiler_park_2_discovered_glitches_unlock_secrets/
http://www.thisisinsider.com/westworld-timeline-spoilers-2018-4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3qD_La2F6bk
He also clearly knows Arnold is dead so I’m assuming if he sees or knows of Bernard the cover is blown.
Two interesting things that come to mind:
1) The Man in Black is a driving force at Delos- seems almost impossible he wouldn't know of Bernard. He doesn't know who the main creators that he bitches about are?
2) Watching that clip you linked to, the MiB says "I wonder what I would find if I opened you up" and has his knife out before Teddy grabs it to protect Ford. He seems quite aware of the possibility of androids replacing people by suggesting Ford is one.
This also maybe makes sense sense considering the converging stories of Delores and MIB going to Glory.
Ford and Arnold either knew it was eventually going to happen or even wanted the hosts to gain consciousness and take over humanity.
MIB wants to do everything he can Ensure humanity survives. As someone from the beginning he has witnessed the progression and now understands it needs to be destroyed.
it would make sense with what we know of him. For the past 30 years he has built a world with no consequence. But maybe Logan and his experience in the park has convinced him they have created something that will destroy them and now his Mission is to Ensure that doesn’t happen.
Its a pretty age age old tale of creating something that will ultimately bring your demise.