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  • I just relistened to the press conference. Kendall clearly implicates himself in the coverup. 
  • I just relistened to the press conference. Kendall clearly implicates himself in the coverup. 
    Yeah, but he’s got the Nuremberg defense as well as the belated whistle-blowing to help cleanse his reputation. 
  • I got to see the yacht they were on up close and personal a couple years ago when I was in Malta. 
    mft9186FreddyNoel
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    edited October 2019
    fidoz said:
    I got to see the yacht they were on up close and personal a couple years ago when I was in Malta. 
    Awesome. Me and a couple of friends were wondering about it. One of them is a private chef for a really rich family (not Roy rich, but close), and he's really good about pointing out the subtleties. Biggest one this last episode was the level of service on the yacht. You say "I want a full bottle of burgundy" at breakfast, there are no side eye looks, questions asked, or hesitations. The servers know that "yes sir" is their only answer to these people.
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    After hearing Aron didn't like this and Sepinwall didn't like this, I wasn't optimistic, but Dan Harmon liked it so here I am. I was kind of fed up with wealth porn when this show first came out, but the years have beaten me down and I have no standards anymore.

    I'm 7 episodes in and this is reminding me of Mad Men in how crisp the dialogue is, and the vibe of it washes over you.
    FreddyBloodyTacoawookieeMrXNoel
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    Starting season 2, episode 3.

    This is in track to be my favorite show behind Mad Men. I think it's beating The Leftovers. 
    Teresa from Concordpavlovsbell
  • Garthgou81Garthgou81 Placerville, CA
    It’s going to get better...just saying 
    JaimieTpavlovsbellBloodyTacoNoel
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    Oof, 203. That started out absurd and ended up very disturbing. @Garthgou81 is correct -- it gets better with each episode. I was so blown away by the fourth episode that I rewatched it the same night. 
    JaimieT
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    I was taking my time with season 1, but season 2 has become the season I binge in 2 days. 
    BloodyTacopavlovsbellNoel
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    If I had not watched S2 while it was airing, it would have been difficult to not binge it. I love J. Smith-Cameron getting a bigger role (I adore Gerri), and the addition of great actors like Holly Hunter and Cherry Jones. S2 is an embarrassment of riches.

    Not sure if I recommended the Slate Money: Succession podcast before, but it's really good.
    JaimieTNoel
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    I just started episode 8. I'm getting so sentimental now. I love all these fucking characters so much. It's going to be over! I can't wait to read this thread. 
  • I'm so glad to see some momentum for this show growing in this community. 
    BloodyTacoken hale
  • MichaelGMichaelG Seattle
    edited November 2019
    Yea, it’s not wealth porn really at all. It’s subversive as hell, and really highlights how awful all of them are. Billions is more wealth porn, for comparison sake.

    I’ve been listening to @Jim and @A_ron_hubbard from day one essentially, and feel like I have a pretty good sense of their taste. If they gave this show a few episodes, they would definitely get hooked and do a podcast. I’m absolutely convinced it would be a money maker for them too, half ass even - it’s totally built for picking apart in a podcast and I know they would both appreciate the humor and writing style. It’s too bad, but I get it. Only so much time, and there are so many shows, and people are constantly telling them to cover stuff, it must get old and hard to sift through.

    I sense they’re getting weary of all the coverage they already do, which is a bummer. But it’s a job, jobs become a slog sometimes.

    It’s the best show on TV right now, and it’s not really close.


    ken hale
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    MichaelG said:
    Yea, it’s not wealth porn really at all. It’s subversive as hell, and really highlights how awful all of them are. Billions is more wealth porn, for comparison sake.

    I’ve been listening to Jim and Aron from day one essentially, and feel like I have a pretty good sense of their taste. If they gave this show a few episodes, they would definitely get hooked and do a podcast. I’m absolutely convinced it would be a money maker for them too - it’s absolutely built for picking apart in a podcast and I know they would both appreciate the humor and writing style. It’s too bad, but I get it. Only so much time, and there are so many shows, and people are constantly telling them to cover stuff, it must get old and hard to sift through.

    I sense they’re getting weary of all the coverage they already do, which is a bummer. But it’s a job, jobs become a slog sometimes.

    It’s the best show on TV right now, and it’s not really close.



    Yeah, nothing is close.

    I do think it's wealth porn, but I guess that might depend on how we're defining wealth porn. I do find satisfaction seeing the wealth here. But I also like the way it criticizes people who love money and power above humanity. 
    MichaelG
  • JaimieT said:
    MichaelG said:
    Yea, it’s not wealth porn really at all. It’s subversive as hell, and really highlights how awful all of them are. Billions is more wealth porn, for comparison sake.

    I’ve been listening to Jim and Aron from day one essentially, and feel like I have a pretty good sense of their taste. If they gave this show a few episodes, they would definitely get hooked and do a podcast. I’m absolutely convinced it would be a money maker for them too - it’s absolutely built for picking apart in a podcast and I know they would both appreciate the humor and writing style. It’s too bad, but I get it. Only so much time, and there are so many shows, and people are constantly telling them to cover stuff, it must get old and hard to sift through.

    I sense they’re getting weary of all the coverage they already do, which is a bummer. But it’s a job, jobs become a slog sometimes.

    It’s the best show on TV right now, and it’s not really close.



    Yeah, nothing is close.

    I do think it's wealth porn, but I guess that might depend on how we're defining wealth porn. I do find satisfaction seeing the wealth here. But I also like the way it criticizes people who love money and power above humanity. 
    I do stand corrected, there is a wealth porn side of it. When I watch it I don’t really admire or envy it, I’m usually just appalled at the excessiveness of it all.
    JaimieT
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    I don't think Succession is wealth porn because it does not glamorize these people, their wealth, or even their power. The show is always critiquing them and showing them as variously incompetent, shallow, ludicrous, bullying or gross (Kendall literally shit the bed). The camera does not fetishize their wealth with lingering shots like other shows (Big Little Lies, Billions, Dynasty). "The Summer Palace" is a great example of how atrocious the Roys are with the dead raccoons as a metaphor of the rot within, and even in their lavish locations, they film them in claustrophobic rooms. 

    The beauty of the show is that it manages to humanize the characters without making them too sympathetic because it focuses on the psychodrama and the family drama, which everyone can relate to, but it doesn't let the characters off the hook for either the personal or the real world harm they cause. Every time I feel really bad for Kendall, I remind myself that he should turn himself in.
    JaimieTMichaelG
  • I don't think Succession is wealth porn because it does not glamorize these people, their wealth, or even their power. The show is always critiquing them and showing them as variously incompetent, shallow, ludicrous, bullying or gross (Kendall literally shit the bed). The camera does not fetishize their wealth with lingering shots like other shows (Big Little Lies, Billions, Dynasty). "The Summer Palace" is a great example of how atrocious the Roys are with the dead raccoons as a metaphor of the rot within, and even in their lavish locations, they film them in claustrophobic rooms.

    The yacht episode did a good job of this too - instead of gratuitous boat shots during cut-scenes the camera instead found a way to linger uncomfortably on the staff working on the yacht. And the shots of the massive boat overwhelming everything around it just made it seem ominous instead of badass.
    pavlovsbellken hale
  • MichaelGMichaelG Seattle
    edited November 2019
    It really is a testament to the writing how compelling the characters are, considering how they are all such deplorable people -  There honestly isn’t a hero in the bunch. It all hangs on the Shakespearean family dynamics that many of identify with. 
    pavlovsbellNoel
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    edited November 2019
    MrX said:
    I don't think Succession is wealth porn because it does not glamorize these people, their wealth, or even their power. The show is always critiquing them and showing them as variously incompetent, shallow, ludicrous, bullying or gross (Kendall literally shit the bed). The camera does not fetishize their wealth with lingering shots like other shows (Big Little Lies, Billions, Dynasty). "The Summer Palace" is a great example of how atrocious the Roys are with the dead raccoons as a metaphor of the rot within, and even in their lavish locations, they film them in claustrophobic rooms.

    The yacht episode did a good job of this too - instead of gratuitous boat shots during cut-scenes the camera instead found a way to linger uncomfortably on the staff working on the yacht. And the shots of the massive boat overwhelming everything around it just made it seem ominous instead of badass.
    "Summer Palace" did that, also, with the staff preparing the house, then throwing away all the food with implacable masks on their faces. They are trained to put up with Roy nonsense and not show any expressions.

    Then in the finale, Shiv solicits a staff member for a threesome. Like, really Shiv? Rapestar Royco is currently under the microscope for this very shit, and Shiv is expecting an employee to have sex with her and her husband on a boat, but it's fine because she's not a real person, right? smh

    Nevertheless, I am extremely invested in these characters. Some more so than others, but I can definitely empathize and sympathize with the abusive dynamics that have shaped them and continue to do so.
    JaimieTDoctor_NickNoelken hale
  • No Baldies this year, but some Golden Globes!

    This calls for a rousing game of Boar on the Floor!
    fidozawookieeKillert0astJaimieTNoel
  • No Baldies this year, but some Golden Globes!

    This calls for a rousing game of Boar on the Floor!

    Was nice to hear the theme song bumping as they all made their way up to the stage.
    awookieeFreddyNoel
  • Garthgou81Garthgou81 Placerville, CA
    Glad this got some well-deserved attention. I was worried last year when it seemed like no one was talking about or interested in it. This year it hit like gangbusters. 
  • edited January 2020
    Well deserved wins for Succession.  This past season was nothing short of amazing.  Glad Brian Cox got the win but part of me really wished Malek won it.  His work this past season of Mr. Robot was better than Cox in my opinion. 
  • Teresa from ConcordTeresa from Concord Concord, California
    MrX said:
    No Baldies this year, but some Golden Globes!

    This calls for a rousing game of Boar on the Floor!

    Was nice to hear the theme song bumping as they all made their way up to the stage.
    Totally giving Succession my vote for a Baldie!
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited January 2020
    Let's just declare Succession the winner of the 2019 Baldies since this might be the only year it had a shot.  :D

    Or, there were no Baldies this year because Succession won. They can't opine on something they haven't seen.
    Freddy
  • Teresa from ConcordTeresa from Concord Concord, California
    JaimieT said:
    Let's just declare Succession the winner of the 2019 Baldies since this might be the only year it had a shot.  :D

    Or, there were no Baldies this year because Succession won. They can't opine on something they haven't seen.
    I thought the Baldies would be sometime this month. Are they not happening at all?
  • chriskchrisk Indianapolis
    ken hale said:
    ken hale said:
    So, after starting this thread, I didn't watch the show past episode 4, and as I'm finally trying to get around to 5 right now, I realized that a big part of the reason I find this difficult to watch is the real lack of visual appeal, and my personal distaste for the "Office"-style shaky-cam stuff.  All the constant movement and quick-zooms, even when there's nothing to react to.  Why is it filmed this way!!!  Even now, I'm typing this while it plays because I just subconsciously don't want to look at the screen. 
    I second this.  During the 1st episode I noticed the quick zooms and thought it just seemed to cheapen the show in my opinion. 
    What bothers me with the zooms and hand-held camera is how it breaks the immersion, because it keeps making me think of the camera in the room with them when, in the context of the show, there's no reason for a camera operator to be there.  When the style is employed with reason, like in the fake-reality-show premise of the office, it makes sense and can actually add something to the narrative, but in the case of Succession it's just completely illogical and terribly distracting to me, and pulls me out of the show.

    I’m not saying this opinion is wrong, because to each his or her own, but I’m never gonna understand it. Same for similar complaints about the Bourne series. Didn’t think about it once. It’s like there’s some innate tolerance level for it. 
    ken hale
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited February 2020
    I'm just gonna say this:

    I.... DREAM.... of a Cecily/Aron Succession podcast.

    I am not following any of the BM TV coverage, nor do I anticipate following anything in the near future, due to me not liking any other current TV shows. This is the ONLY thing I want.

    How do I know this? Because their tone during the Mario Twitch streams... is the perfect fit for Succession. The psychogical intuition on display during the One Weird Trick podcast is the perfect fit for Succession.

    Cecily. Aron. Succession.

    That is all.

    A girl's gotta try.
    NoelDoctor_NickMichaelGKillert0astWalnut Freyken hale
  • MichaelGMichaelG Seattle
    edited February 2020
    I’d be down for a @Cecily /Alexis Succession half ass cast if they have an interest! I think they’d be great for that show, honestly. And there is no good coverage out there right now, honestly. Closest thing is some random stuff on the Ringer. 
    Killert0ast
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