A few things I wanna weigh in on after listening to the wrap up podcast:The conflation of the two ideas "humans cant change" and "humans don't have free will." I see a lot of people taking issue with the latter by using examples of the former, but I think these are two distinct ideas - you can believe that humans can change while still believing humans don't have free will. For instance Lee changing his perspective doesn't require free will; the idea that free will is an illusion is mostly about the simple fact that the factors that lead to a decision, both external and internal, are beyond your control. That is not mutually exclusive to personal growth and change.The meaninglessness of life in the Valley Beyond. I don't really agree with this at all. Yes, the life you'd lead in this simulation world would be artificial, but as long as the simulated universe operates according to the same laws of physics that the real world does, anything you learn within that simulation is just as applicable to the real world and just as "real". Is there anything functionally different between, say, an internal combustion engine designed in the real world and one designed by someone living in a simulation of the real world? I would be very interested in what kind of technology the hosts in the valley beyond could develop as immortals living in a boundless world with ample resources and no conflict. If there is any amount of time dilation between our world and theirs (even if the valley beyond runs in real time, beaming them into space at presumably the speed of light could provide an excuse for extreme time dilation), by the time we next see the Valley Beyond it could be like Halo Forerunner world or something. All that knowledge would be just as real here as it is there and would, for me, provide plenty of reason to take satisfaction in a simulated existence.
johnnytruant said: This was basically my take on the whole humans are predictable thing. I think they're saying that given a set of inputs, a human will always react the same way (although I think they leave it open that there is some margin of error). Since there is randomness in the world, I don't think that necessarily means that our lives our pre-determistic.
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