I asked Jesus to carry me on the beach once. He was all like "you're from suburban Southern California. You can walk just fine." Whatevs, Jesus.
I really enjoyed the finale. I definitely understand where there could have been a bit of a let down. It seemed that the "next time on..." pointed to a major clash of some sort, but I felt like the way they constructed the series of smaller showdowns kept me deeply engaged.
About Morgan's staff, I like it personally. Not only because watching him fight with it is very entertaining (which it most definitely is), but also because it is a generally non-lethal weapon to humans, but lethal to zombies due to their softer skulls, which someone with Morgan's leanings would appreciate and take advantage of. Plus again, it's very cool to watch.
I liked Rick's speech at the end a whole lot and it makes me particularly excited for where things will go next season. I don't have anything terribly interesting to say, but I really like the way they have set the table. Conflicts within (how are the Alexandrians going to take to the Ricktatorship, is Deanna going to regret buying into him once the shock of Reg's death wears off and once he starts gaining more power within the community), Morgan obviously wasn't a fan of seeing Rick execute Dr. Douchebag so where does that go? The Wolves are certainly bigger than just the three exiled men. How big is their group? How will the conflict between them and the Alexandrians shape up? Also what of the other "tribes" that the one wolf guy told Morgan about? There is a ton to work with here and I'm really, really excited to dive into it. I just hate that we have several months to wait for it. Great finale, and a great run in general over this last half season or so.
Original_Joseph said:- I wonder if Carol pushed Pete over the edge on purpose. At first, I thought that she f-ed up, but from her perspective, Pete going postal would be the best thing that could happen for team Rick, Pete's enough of a wimp that if he killed someone, it would probably be an Alexandrian (or maybe Tara), and Carol's easily ruthless enough to consider that an acceptable price to redeem Rick and toughen up the surviving Alexandrians.
Maybe it's just me not peeling the onion back far enough, but I honestly looked at the Carol/Pete exchange on more of a face value level. I felt like she was giving Pete the "fuck you" that she was never able to give Ed. I thought that she hated him and wanted to emasculate him and make him feel powerless to turn the tables on him, but I think this all belonged in a smaller box of her personal justice and revenge, not necessarily a master plan. I can see the train of thought where it may have all been a manner to manipulate, and obviously it played out that way, but I don't 100% know that I buy into the fact that it was a plan that she would wind him up in order to have him act out in the future. She is a great manipulator, but it's a lot of foresight and I think it may be giving her a touch too much credit.
pavlovsbell said:@Travis Even if that's true, that is still an incredibly selfish and thoughtless thing to do. The majority of women who are killed by their abusers are killed when or shortly after they leave the abuser. (It was also ridiculously stupid to move Pete directly across from his former home, but that's another issue.) Carol may be projecting her own issues onto Pete, but I think she's too smart to know that he's not going to take that lying down.
@Travis Even if that's true, that is still an incredibly selfish and thoughtless thing to do. The majority of women who are killed by their abusers are killed when or shortly after they leave the abuser. (It was also ridiculously stupid to move Pete directly across from his former home, but that's another issue.) Carol may be projecting her own issues onto Pete, but I think she's too smart to know that he's not going to take that lying down.
That is totally fair, and I agree, but precisely like you said that's Carol being Carol and I swear it will be her downfall at some point. It is the same thing as her scaring the crap out of the kid, the same as her taking it upon herself to kill the sick people at the prison. I actually thought that her scaring the kid was going to result in a major conflict/divide between her and Rick and it seems that she has dodged that bullet for now, but her hubris is going to be her undoing. I do totally agree with that. I just thought that crediting her with intentionally manipulating Pete to his end/unleashing a crazed Pete to support Rick's case was giving her too much credit.
I definitely think Carol is a problem. A great and compelling problem as a viewer, but a real serious problem for the group. If anything I don't think she "strays" to the wrong side of the line. I think she kind of lives there.