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  • I'm not sure how the TWD franchise can get worse at this point. Chris Hardwick sexually violating dolls of baby Hitler?
  • All the ChickensAll the Chickens Birmingham, AL
    I'm not sure how the TWD franchise can get worse at this point. Chris Hardwick sexually violating dolls of baby Hitler?
    *baby Jesus while dressed as Hitler*
  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    Contrary to 99% of these forums, I think this is the right move. 

    Several of Chris' ex girlfriends have come forward and stated that they had never seen anything close to the behavior that is described in Ms. Dykstra's blog post during their relationships. 

    Pictures of Ms. Dykstra backstage at the Nerdist podcast recording at SDCC 2011 are available on twitter, as well as pictures of her hanging out with porn star April O'Neal at the same convention.  This is the convention that her blog post stated she was not allowed to leave her hotel room. (link)

    As far as I can tell, nobody credible has come forward to support Ms. Dykstra's allegations.


    anubus21
  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    Before you start bashing on AMC (or me!) about this, keep in mind that they hired an attorney that specializes in investigating sexual harassment claims.  
  • TaraC73TaraC73 Manchester NH
    I ALWAYS err on the side of victims/“victims” telling the truth until/unless concrete evidence comes out one way or the other but something just felt off with her story from the get-go (and it has nothing to do with the fact that I might have a tad bit of a crush on Mr hardwick) something as horrid as she described is never a one time only thing; maybe a first time thing but never a one time... nobody came forward, nobody even heard rumblings of anything - nothing but full
    support of him. 

    Remember with Cosby, Weinstein and everyone else who’s been outed, after the first person made a big grandstanding accusation there were immediate rumblings of other people who knew about their incident and/or other victims (maybe not revealing themselves but definitively saying so and so is a predator) nothing of the sort happened with hardwick.

    If more people come forward or she has some kind of irrefutable proof i will eat my words and apologize.

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  • emnofseattleemnofseattle Mason County, Washington USA
    edited July 2018
    Which is good news now that we're starting to see pushback on these. Having a failed relationship isn't cause to lose your career. 
    NervousRhino
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    edited July 2018
    Who knows.  But false claims are possible.  Everyone is capable of being cruel.
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  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    As I said in the previous thread, anyone claiming abuse deserves to be taken seriously and have their claims investigated. I also said Chris Hardwick has plenty of resources with which to defend himself. 

    This is not a referendum on #metoo and those taking it as such are being foolish. 
    TravisSepta NutellaFreibergMurderbearrusskellycdriveNatter CastTaraC73jtmy92Michelleand 1 other.
  • I haven't followed this much, but they took it all seriously enough to pretty much cast him out at first. I imagine that if they're bringing him back they must have cleared him. They didn't seem to hold back on indefinitely suspending him. I assumed he was done. I could be missing something, like I said I haven't really followed this beyond seeing a headline here and there and not reading further, but he could be innocent, right?
  • MichelleMichelle California
    When Ms. Dykstra's letter was published, I was at first on her side for a few reasons - female supporting female, belief in the #metoo movement, and not wanting Chris to 'get away with it' if the allegations were true.  I even posted on here a lengthy and revealing comment, indicating my reason for understanding why she would stay in that sort of a relationship.  But as time wore on and no one came out against him, yet many came out in support of him, I began to wonder - is he actually innocent of this?  I mean, it's possible.  I'd hate to think that someone could falsely accuse someone of horrible acts and ruin their entire life, but there are people out there who are willing to do that for one reason or another.  Let me be clear and reiterate, I am in support of #metoo.  However, I'm also in full support of an innocent person having their name cleared and not having their life destroyed by a false accusation.   It's sounding more and more like he truly is innocent and if that *is* the case, then I fully support his return to his job(s).

    FreibergJaimieTMarciTaraC73
  • Natter CastNatter Cast San Francisco, CA
    He's back, like some sort of animated revenant brought back to life after dying. I dunno, a mummy or maybe a lich or something like that. Honestly, my mind is drawing a blank for the correct analogy here, but the big idea is it's some sort of mythological creature that has died and returned to animated life that I'm thinking of.
    TaraC73
  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    edited July 2018
    He's back, like some sort of animated revenant brought back to life after dying. I dunno, a mummy or maybe a lich or something like that. Honestly, my mind is drawing a blank for the correct analogy here, but the big idea is it's some sort of mythological creature that has died and returned to animated life that I'm thinking of.

    Phoenix? Risen from the ashes?
    Natter CastTaraC73
  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    I hope he goes on WTF with Marc Maron or something similar
    TaraC73
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  • Frakkin TFrakkin T Currently Offline
    Hot take: he shouldn't come back because he's a corporate hack. Think of all we've seen on TWD and how fair & honest BM has been on their podcast. If you listen to Hardwick it's the most amazing show ever and every episode deserves all the emmys, and it's not just TWD. He shills for everything to the point where I don't even think he has any critical thinking skills or actual taste. 

    Also I believe @skydart
  • She claims to have receipts, which, I imagine, she's holding in case he sues her for defamation. If AMC's legal counsel was able to reconcile keeping him over breaking contract based on whatever information they were able to get in the limited scope of a civil investigation, fine. It doesn't mean her claims were false or vengeful, nor does it mean he is innocent. It just means the situation as AMC's lawyers understand it doesn't clash with continuing to cut him a check, and from the limited information we've seen, I think most have to agree with that decision whether or not we think he's a hack (which he is). That's all. 
    The_D
  • emnofseattleemnofseattle Mason County, Washington USA
    As I said in the previous thread, anyone claiming abuse deserves to be taken seriously and have their claims investigated. I also said Chris Hardwick has plenty of resources with which to defend himself. 

    This is not a referendum on #metoo and those taking it as such are being foolish. 

    As I said in the previous thread, anyone claiming abuse deserves to be taken seriously and have their claims investigated. I also said Chris Hardwick has plenty of resources with which to defend himself. 

    This is not a referendum on #metoo and those taking it as such are being foolish. 
    Its not a total referendum, but it represents some pushback from an extreme. remember the guy from Lake Wobogon and how he got sucked up into the metoo on an allegation of literally doing nothing wrong, like immediately after Weinstein men who did nothing wrong were kind of wrapped up into this, and finally it seems like a return to rationality, yes some behavior is bad but just because someone’s upset doesn’t mean by necessity something was wrong, and not all wrong is so bad as to immediately lose your career 
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    Someone being upset does by necessity mean something was wrong.
    TaraC73
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    Hearst money and power. Quelle surprise. 
  • HunkuleseHunkulese Québec, Canada
    Frakkin T said:
    Hot take: he shouldn't come back because he's a corporate hack. Think of all we've seen on TWD and how fair & honest BM has been on their podcast. If you listen to Hardwick it's the most amazing show ever and every episode deserves all the emmys, and it's not just TWD. He shills for everything to the point where I don't even think he has any critical thinking skills or actual taste. 

    Also I believe @skydart
    I'm not sure if you're serious or not. The whole reason Talking Dead exists is to praise the Walking Dead. It's an AMC show talking about an AMC show. Of course they're not going to let the host shit all over the show.
    Frakkin TKingKobraMarciTaraC73
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    As I said in the previous thread, anyone claiming abuse deserves to be taken seriously and have their claims investigated. I also said Chris Hardwick has plenty of resources with which to defend himself. 

    This is not a referendum on #metoo and those taking it as such are being foolish. 

    As I said in the previous thread, anyone claiming abuse deserves to be taken seriously and have their claims investigated. I also said Chris Hardwick has plenty of resources with which to defend himself. 

    This is not a referendum on #metoo and those taking it as such are being foolish. 
    Its not a total referendum, but it represents some pushback from an extreme. remember the guy from Lake Wobogon and how he got sucked up into the metoo on an allegation of literally doing nothing wrong, like immediately after Weinstein men who did nothing wrong were kind of wrapped up into this, and finally it seems like a return to rationality, yes some behavior is bad but just because someone’s upset doesn’t mean by necessity something was wrong, and not all wrong is so bad as to immediately lose your career 
    It's not even a partial referendum. That would imply that we should return to some sort of skepticism when people report abuse, that there is a correct amount of skepticism to have. There have been a helluva lot more men that get away with abusing a helluva lot more women then then there have or ever will be men falsely accused. I continue to think the over concern for the latter is something people need to think about. Holy shit, Hardwick had to sweat a month. Rose McGowan got raped. Yes, yes, let's find the middle ground of concern here.

    I mean, if we want to get down to brass tacks this is not exactly the kind of due process dudes demand before condemning a fellow dude on the internet, is it? Who was interviewed? What did they say? Who conducted the interviews? Who judged fact from rumor? What were their qualifications? What kinds of conflicts if interest did they have? 

    I personally think Ms. Dykstra told a pack of lies at this point. But many are acting like she has been proven guilty. This continues to be largely tried in the court of public opinion yet it's okay now because...? AMC has historically been wise and judicial in legal dealings with their employees? 


    JaimieTMarciMichelle
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    Also, when the hell did Garison Keilor get exhonerated? MPR settled with him out of court. Also, he was accused of inappropriately sexually touching someone at work. How would that behavior "not even be wrong?" 

    There were a lot more men who were confirmed to be predators in the wake of #metoo than men who got "wrapped up in it". Supposedly 219 men in public positions in total have been accused since April 2017 (https://www.vox.com/a/sexual-harassment-assault-allegations-list/garrison-keillor). How many have been exhonerated?
    JaimieT
  • Contrary to 99% of these forums, I think this is the right move. 

    Several of Chris' ex girlfriends have come forward and stated that they had never seen anything close to the behavior that is described in Ms. Dykstra's blog post during their relationships. 

    Pictures of Ms. Dykstra backstage at the Nerdist podcast recording at SDCC 2011 are available on twitter, as well as pictures of her hanging out with porn star April O'Neal at the same convention.  This is the convention that her blog post stated she was not allowed to leave her hotel room. (link)

    As far as I can tell, nobody credible has come forward to support Ms. Dykstra's allegations.


    I don't see any of this as being contradictory to her claims.  She said "Our first convention together, San Diego Comic Con, he instructed me to not leave the hotel room. He went to parties by himself".  The fact that he allowed her to attend the recording of his show doesn't go against anything that she said...she didn't say "I was locked in a hotel room the whole time" she said that he "instructed" her to stay in the room and went to parties on his own.  All of that could still very well be true.
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    My money is on the woman 99 times out of 99.1. Public opinion sucks I guess but, not to mansplain, hell yes the Patriarch is real. Women still need to step forward. We also need to be wary of where we are in addition to the me too movement. The Twitter era , fake news, doxxing culture, hashtag justice... all converging at once.  So much good in that and so much to be careful about too.  
  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    edited July 2018
    As I said in the previous thread, anyone claiming abuse deserves to be taken seriously and have their claims investigated. I also said Chris Hardwick has plenty of resources with which to defend himself. 

    This is not a referendum on #metoo and those taking it as such are being foolish. 

    As I said in the previous thread, anyone claiming abuse deserves to be taken seriously and have their claims investigated. I also said Chris Hardwick has plenty of resources with which to defend himself. 

    This is not a referendum on #metoo and those taking it as such are being foolish. 
    Its not a total referendum, but it represents some pushback from an extreme. remember the guy from Lake Wobogon and how he got sucked up into the metoo on an allegation of literally doing nothing wrong, like immediately after Weinstein men who did nothing wrong were kind of wrapped up into this, and finally it seems like a return to rationality, yes some behavior is bad but just because someone’s upset doesn’t mean by necessity something was wrong, and not all wrong is so bad as to immediately lose your career 
    It's not even a partial referendum. That would imply that we should return to some sort of skepticism when people report abuse, that there is a correct amount of skepticism to have. There have been a helluva lot more men that get away with abusing a helluva lot more women then then there have or ever will be men falsely accused. I continue to think the over concern for the latter is something people need to think about. Holy shit, Hardwick had to sweat a month. Rose McGowan got raped. Yes, yes, let's find the middle ground of concern here.

    I mean, if we want to get down to brass tacks this is not exactly the kind of due process dudes demand before condemning a fellow dude on the internet, is it? Who was interviewed? What did they say? Who conducted the interviews? Who judged fact from rumor? What were their qualifications? What kinds of conflicts if interest did they have? 

    I personally think Ms. Dykstra told a pack of lies at this point. But many are acting like she has been proven guilty. This continues to be largely tried in the court of public opinion yet it's okay now because...? AMC has historically been wise and judicial in legal dealings with their employees? 
    I’ll just refer to my post in the first Hardwick thread, as my opinion hasn’t changed at all.

    Ms. Dykstra should be taken seriously and the claims she has made should be investigated.  I also think that we as a society should not be so quick to judgement.  I don't think we should presume guilt of either party.  

    All I advocated for was withholding judgement. Let the people who are tied to the situation evaluate it and make their decisions. Hell, if you don’t think the investigation was done properly, get mad about that. The credentials are listed on the lawyers page that I linked earlier.   


    Dee said:
    Hearst money and power. Quelle surprise. 


    I don’t think it’s proper to blame the Hearst’s family money for getting a guilty man off free. If you think that is the case, are you insinuating that the independent firm hired to investigate did a poor job or lacks integrity?  I think AMC did the best thing they could have done here. They hired an unbiased  3rd party who is an expert in the field of sexual harassment to conduct an investigation. How could they change that protocol to meet requirements you can agree with? If you have ideas on how this could be done better, I’d love to hear it. If you don’t is there anything that would make you happy except him being found guilty?  If that’s the case, what are you advocating for?  It doesn’t seem to me it’s the truth. If you would rather have a man found guilty than find the truth (which is not meant to imply the two are mutually exclusive in any way), how are you helping to solve any problems? 


    Edit: Rereading this, it sounds accusatory towards Dee, which is not my intent. When I say you, I mean that in the royal sense. I’m not speaking from a place of anger.

    I changed some of the wording to be less monologue (read: mansplainy) and more inquisitive. 

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