Sharp Objects: ep.06 "Cherry"

CecilyCecily Cincinnati
Director: Jean-Marc Vallee
Writer: Ariella Blejer
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  • It's interesting that Jackie is leaving flowers (daisies?) at the memorial, saying that they are what little girls like to draw. We later see the same type of flowers in the design used to identify Ann Nash's bike. I don't even know with this show anymore. Everything feels like a red herring.

    Also, are they implying that Alan is pulling off to his album covers? He's an odd duck.
    FreibergWa1kingDistancehisdudeness915
  • edited August 13
    Amma feels like she's made a shift from prey to predator in a single episode. She brings Camille into unsettling and potentially dangerous situations. The imagery of Amma in the pool with her eyes just above the water conjured the image of a shark with its fin jutting out. Bites taken out of people, things being dredged up from bodies of water, it all felt very much like Jaws to me in terms of its suspense and the sensation that something is lurking just beneath the surface.
  • Is there an instant talk this week?  Also, I really dig this show, but i think I might dislike every character in it.  Camille was so easily persuaded to do everything Ama wanted her to do.  I kinda drove me crazy this episode.  Plus, now I'm a little worried that we won't even be told who the killer is, like it will be so secondary the story of Camille's journey and how screwed up this town is that they will make it a point to not tell us.  Hopefully not.
    rkcrawfPangsdevito99
  • With an episode title like "Cherry" and the dark tones this show takes....I'm glad the title didn't foreshadow anything too awful. 
  • Agreed. Can we pull an Instant Talk audible (brought to you by Audible.com, where you can probably by the book) for the last two episodes??
  • It's interesting that Jackie is leaving flowers (daisies?) at the memorial, saying that they are what little girls like to draw. We later see the same type of flowers in the design used to identify Ann Nash's bike. I don't even know with this show anymore. Everything feels like a red herring.

    Also, are they implying that Alan is pulling off to his album covers? He's an odd duck.
    Well the one lady’s husband was pulling off to credit card bills so I guess anything’s jerkoff material in this town
    johnnytruantMurderbear
  • tmp15487 said:
    I really dig this show, but i think I might dislike every character in it.  Camille was so easily persuaded to do everything Ama wanted her to do.  I kinda drove me crazy this episode.
    Camille is out of control, she’s an addict in a situation she thinks she can handle that she absolutely cannot.  I’ve been both her and Amma.  I’ve been the bored kid in the cowpoke town bored out of my mind with nothing to do but lash out and get high.  And I’ve been the addict who falsely believes he has the willpower to be in places and situations where temptation is, that I was stronger than I really was.  It’s so easy to think “this is a stupid party, I’ll just go for 5 minutes and be bored and leave,” but at that point you’ve already committed yourself, one drink becomes 20 and then you’re upstairs taking pills and then god knows what.  It’s not that Camille was easily persuaded it’s that her willpower was broken the second Amma showed up at the gas station drunk, there was nothing Camille could do at that point because her addiction took over, all her protestations that she didn’t want the OxyContin or the ecstasy was just for show, just for herself so she could say to herself that she fought but couldn’t talk Amma out of it.  Once you’re there, once she’s in the Jeep everything that comes after is inevitable, controlling yourself, stopping yourself is virtually impossible.  

    Watching tonight’s episode was hard because it felt so incredibly real.  I don’t know but it wouldn’t surprise me if Gillian Flynn has a history of addiction.  I saw so much truth, so many nights in my own life, in everything Camille does at the party.  All the “I won’t I won’t I won’ts” even though you know you will, that the decision has already been made and you had no say in it but have to go through the script so you can face yourself in the morning.  Camille was never in the driver’s seat (metaphorically and literally from the moment her friend with the bourbon showed up), her addiction controlled everything step and every action.

    I’m curious who the killer is, and what Camille’s past is, Alan and Adora’s relationship, all of it, but honestly none of that matters to me compared to the brutally honest portrayal of addiction and mental health issues this show gives us.  I’m glad there are only two more episodes, like the Leftovers this show is both beautiful and incredibly painful and too much would be crushing.
    KingKobraArthaMurderbearJenW
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    Aron n Jim please don’t farm this for feedback, I’m just a dingus talking here.

    Man I put 4-wheel rollerskates on for the first time in almost 30 years today. Y’all go rollerskate. It’s fun. 
    MichelleMurderbear
  • Quick takes:

    - Adora did it
    - Yes, Alan uses album covers as masturbation fodder
    - Amma is an amoral incestuous bisexual that will do whatever it takes to get out of Wind Gap
    cdrive
  • HunkuleseHunkulese Québec, Canada
    I'm not sure how I feel about this show anymore. They haven't really moved the mystery forward in a while. Sure, they've made it super obvious who we're supposed to think did, but the mystery part has almost felt like an afterthought for the past couple episodes. Instead, it's just focusing on the awful town and the awful people it's filled it.

    Even officer Dick was a complete scumbag this episode. "Oh, this lady I like clearly has some emotional baggage. I know, I should go behind her back and detective the shit out of her." We all know that will end well.

    It's starting to be a bit much for me. It feels gratuitous and reminiscent of torture porn movies, and I'm pretty sure the ending is going to be another giant downer.
    ghm3
  • Teresa from ConcordTeresa from Concord Concord, California
    Did I hear Amma correctly? After a night of partying her momma takes care of her?
  • I wonder why Camille would not go stay in a hotel now or stay with Jackie (though she seems a more than a bit odd) or even one of her ex-cheerleader friends (the nice woman would be a good choice.)  I mean Alan is telling her to leave now and it would probably drive Adora nuts to have Camille not stay at her home while she was in town as it might cause gossip.  Especially since the gossipy friend saw her in a sort of argument with Alan.

    The Bob Nash actor seemed really genuine when he saw the bike was his daughter's.  This show gets you so wrapped up in the Preaker/Crellin house drama sometimes its easy to forget there are two dead little girls in the town that they are supposed to be finding the killer of.  

     
     




  • HunkuleseHunkulese Québec, Canada
    edited August 13
    I wonder why Camille would not go stay in a hotel now or stay with Jackie (though she seems a more than a bit odd) or even one of her ex-cheerleader friends (the nice woman would be a good choice.)  I mean Alan is telling her to leave now and it would probably drive Adora nuts to have Camille not stay at her home while she was in town as it might cause gossip.  Especially since the gossipy friend saw her in a sort of argument with Alan.

    Adora gave Alan the task of telling Camille to leave.
  • Four Thoughts Immediately Post-Watch:
    1.  This was a gorgeously shot episode, so full of sumptuous imagery and evocative language.  That being said, the makeup department really blew it at convincingly roughing Amy Adams up in this episode, considering how absolutely black-out hammered she had to have been by the time she was on her second glass of wine during her little day date with her frenemies from high school.  They've done a pretty good job up until now at making her look puffy and keeping her eye makeup smeared, but she's definitely WAY more blotto in this episode than she's been before (that we've seen on screen, at least), and she looks like a damn angel.
    2.  I know that they have to keep up the dramatic tension, but when Jackie tells Detective Willis that "he's getting warmer" in regard to suspects, why doesn't he sit her the hell down right then and say, "what the fuck do you mean when you say that?  I'm trying to solve a double homicide of two teenage girls, so if you are telling me you know who did it, but are withholding information or evidence, cough it up, [you delightful, gorgeous floozy]."  I don't think a good detective hears a statement like that, and is like, "oh cool cool cool.  Thanks, see ya later!"
    3.  Amma seems to have the most power out of everybody in this town.  She does whatever she wants, whenever she wants, and everyone seems to fall at her feet.  I think she's playing every person in town like a fiddle.  Including Adora.
    4.  I'm back to thinking that Adora killed Marian (Munchausen by proxy), because we know she died after a long, mysterious illness, Adora wouldn't allow an autopsy, and that last scene was straight out of Mischa Barton under the bed in "The Sixth Sense" telling Camille, "you're not safe here."  I don't know how most people react to ghostly hallucinations, but given this town, this family, and the fact that a murderer's on the loose, I'd take that ghost at her damn word.
    JenW
  • AjasAjas Seattle, WA
    I noticed back in the first episode, the only person Camille embraced when reacquainting with the family was Gayla, the housekeeper.  Again, she goes to give Gayla a warm hug... That dynamic makes more sense now though.

    I guess if every single kid in town is out at night at a house party, the whole town has given up on "curfews" and "protecting the children" lol.  Like not one single person gives a shit about the murders anymore.  Willis is even fairly well sidetracked trying to woo Camille.

    Besides Willis's transient interest, the only one left who cares is Ashley
  • Hunkulese said:
    I'm not sure how I feel about this show anymore. They haven't really moved the mystery forward in a while. Sure, they've made it super obvious who we're supposed to think did, but the mystery part has almost felt like an afterthought for the past couple episodes. Instead, it's just focusing on the awful town and the awful people it's filled it.

    Even officer Dick was a complete scumbag this episode. "Oh, this lady I like clearly has some emotional baggage. I know, I should go behind her back and detective the shit out of her." We all know that will end well.

    It's starting to be a bit much for me. It feels gratuitous and reminiscent of torture porn movies, and I'm pretty sure the ending is going to be another giant downer.
    I'm with you on this. I think from a technical point of view this show is top notch, but the lack of forward momentum towards the actual murder mystery is starting to get tedious for me personally. I've appreciated the slow pace and character building but its like "I get it". 
  • Poor Alan needing his record collection to fulfill his needs.
    I hope in the last few episodes Alan discovers the Internet.
    He's spending $80,000+ on his record system when a $500 laptop could give him access to all the stimulation he requires.
    Murderbear
  • Hunkulese said:
    I'm not sure how I feel about this show anymore. They haven't really moved the mystery forward in a while. Sure, they've made it super obvious who we're supposed to think did, but the mystery part has almost felt like an afterthought for the past couple episodes. Instead, it's just focusing on the awful town and the awful people it's filled it.

    Even officer Dick was a complete scumbag this episode. "Oh, this lady I like clearly has some emotional baggage. I know, I should go behind her back and detective the shit out of her." We all know that will end well.

    It's starting to be a bit much for me. It feels gratuitous and reminiscent of torture porn movies, and I'm pretty sure the ending is going to be another giant downer.
    Totally agree. At this point the show seems to just be waxing misery with its starting plot a distant afterthought.  I will be very disappointed if they do not resolve the original murder plot because even though it's obviously not the actual main plot of the show it was still the catalyst for everything we're seeing happen and to just abandon it would be a major cop out to me.

    Did anyone else get the impression that maybe Amma got Ashley to do something fucked up? Maybe assitant-murdery fucked up? She says near the end of the episode she can get girls to do what she wants but can't get them to like her, which may explain her attitude towards her at the party, and possibly be connected with the bloodstain Ashley found? This show seems to be overflowing with red herrings though so meh who knows.

    I never brought this up before because I don't actually have a specific cohesive thought around it, but this show gave me Heart of Darkness vibes from the very beginning. I don't remember every detail as it's been a good 20 years since I've read it, but the drive to Wind Gap seemed like going up the river, and it still gives me these vibes up through this episode.
  • What did Ashley mean when she said that John wouldn't kill his sister because it would make him popular?? How on earth would being the killer make someone popular? Is Ashley just that messed up?

    Anyone else starting to think maybe Camille herself is the killer? Maybe she commits the murders in a blacked out fugue state and it's all tied back to her dead sister.

    Honestly I think this story would have been fine as a 2-hour movie like Gone Girl. Dragging it out over eight episodes has made the story tiresome. I'm ready for it to end.
  • MichelleMichelle California
    I have to admit, I was way too curious about wtf is going on with this story, and ended up spoiling myself as I was reading the plot of the book.  So, just like @JaimieT, I am removing myself from any further speculation.  Let's just say, holy sh*t.
  • Michelle said:
    I have to admit, I was way too curious about wtf is going on with this story, and ended up spoiling myself as I was reading the plot of the book.  So, just like @JaimieT, I am removing myself from any further speculation.  Let's just say, holy sh*t.
    With all the crazy stuff that happened in gone girl I'm totally expecting some crazy plot twists here. I really have no idea at this point, but I wouldn't rule anyone out, or any type of motive. 
  • HunkuleseHunkulese Québec, Canada
    What did Ashley mean when she said that John wouldn't kill his sister because it would make him popular?? How on earth would being the killer make someone popular? Is Ashley just that messed up?

    Think about all the different real-life serial killers that you can name. She's saying John doesn't want everyone knowing who he is. It's a bit of an odd word choice, but there is a certain fascination with serial killers, so they are popular in a sense.
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    Michelle said:
    I have to admit, I was way too curious about wtf is going on with this story, and ended up spoiling myself as I was reading the plot of the book.  So, just like @JaimieT, I am removing myself from any further speculation.  Let's just say, holy sh*t.

    Just to clarify in case I do have something to say about the next 2 episodes, that was just for that 1 episode because I was pissed that the "next week on" preview basically undid my whole theory and that, like, everyone had watched the preview but me, and how weird to have fucking optional content that recontextualizes a whole episode.

    But I don't know the ending or anything.

    Sorry you accidentally spoiled yourself, that sucks.
    Michelle
  • freiberg.justin said:

    Camille is out of control, she’s an addict 
    This is the episode where this finally sank in for me.  I understood it because the show told me that was so, but this was really where I saw the sort of poor-decision-making truly destructive addict that Camille clearly is.


  • HunkuleseHunkulese Québec, Canada
    Pangs said:
    freiberg.justin said:

    Camille is out of control, she’s an addict 
    This is the episode where this finally sank in for me.  I understood it because the show told me that was so, but this was really where I saw the sort of poor-decision-making truly destructive addict that Camille clearly is.


    I don't know, I thought Camille's behaviour was far more "normal" this episode. She spent the afternoon day drinking with her friends. And it's probably not a good idea to make it a habit, but is it really that big a deal to get high with your sister once?

    To me, not being able to drive anywhere without a water bottle full of vodka is a far bigger indicator of a destructive addict than socializing.
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    @Hunkulese Oh dear God I love your name. Have I said that before? If so have it a second time. Yes.
  • MichelleMichelle California
    JaimieT said:
    Michelle said:
    I have to admit, I was way too curious about wtf is going on with this story, and ended up spoiling myself as I was reading the plot of the book.  So, just like @JaimieT, I am removing myself from any further speculation.  Let's just say, holy sh*t.

    Just to clarify in case I do have something to say about the next 2 episodes, that was just for that 1 episode because I was pissed that the "next week on" preview basically undid my whole theory and that, like, everyone had watched the preview but me, and how weird to have fucking optional content that recontextualizes a whole episode.

    But I don't know the ending or anything.

    Sorry you accidentally spoiled yourself, that sucks.


    Thanks, but it's my own fault for seeking out any info at all.  I should have known!  What am I, new????  :grin:
    JaimieTMurderbear
  • edited August 14
    Hunkulese said:
    I don't know, I thought Camille's behaviour was far more "normal" this episode. She spent the afternoon day drinking with her friends. And it's probably not a good idea to make it a habit, but is it really that big a deal to get high with your sister once?

    To me, not being able to drive anywhere without a water bottle full of vodka is a far bigger indicator of a destructive addict than socializing.
    I disagree.  The problem with this assessment of her behavior is that it assumes she doesn’t have substance abuse issues.  Where a person without substance abuse problems can casually spend an afternoon day drinking with friends, or taking ecstasy with their sister once, or whatever and walk away free to go back to their normal day to day life in the morning an addict can never do those things because an addict can’t stop.  An addict can’t turn off the need to keep going, to drink again and again, to get high day after day.  I don’t know if Camille meets the parameters for polysubstance dependence but from what we’ve been shown, and from my own experience with substance abuse and addiction, it seems to me that she is more addicted to being in an altered state than anything else.  Be it alcohol, as is her normal route, or OxyContin or ecstasy or whatever path she takes it’s the escape from reality that’s the point.  What I saw in this episode was a woman who had no control over herself, who couldn’t stop herself from taking drugs even though she didn’t want to.  As strange as it may seem to a person without addiction issues before this episode her alcohol consumption was more or less regular, that being that she would buy a bottle each morning and drink it over the course of the day.  But with this episode her consumption rose dramatically, and like other instances where she drank outside of her “normal” daily bottle (ie - in the woods with Richard) she makes terrible decisions that lead to more and more use.  In this case it lead her to getting in the car with Amma’s friends (which she didn’t want to do), to take painkillers (which she didn’t want to do), and eventually to taking ecastacy and then grabbing whatever alcohol she sees at the party.  She isn’t capable of stopping herself no matter what she wants because that’s not how addiction works, the addiction is commanding her.  Her taking pills with her sister is a big deal because it’s a demonstrable sign that what little control she had is waning, she isn’t able to limit herself to “just a bottle a day” but is now taking literally whatever pills are put in front of her.  If, as Jim suspects, Camille doesn’t live through this series I could easily see her dying from substance abuse as her consumption becomes increasingly impossible to stop, and this episode is where she truly goes off the deep end.
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    edited August 14
    I believe the kids nowadays call it “power flipping”, to follow up oxy with mdma.  And to do that after starting your day waking up out of bed swigging vodka to getting picked up and getting golf-carted while drinking to a day drinking event.... I agree with Jim’s hunch...I really don’t see Camille making it out.  She is self- destructing.  From what her editor said, she wasn’t doing so great prior to this assignment and this environment is accelerating her descent.  
    FreibergRenaisWomnJaimieT
  • Is anyone else finding the supporting town folk characters to be incredibly hackneyed and cliche? Not sure if they're this superficially drawn in the book or not, but honestly,  Sweet Home Alabama portrayed the whole "local girl comes home from the big city" trope with more finesse. The rapist cro-magnons at the bar, the hyper-fertile former cheerleaders, they're shoddily-written, mostly poorly-acted caricatures in a show that otherwise shows amazing promise. I'm from a small Southern town and I'm unfortunately familiar with these types. I'm not quibbling over inaccurate depictions, just insultingly shopworn ones. This is HBO, for God's sake.
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