ComSci Advice

So basically I’ve been sort of meandering a bit in the computer science field for a while, got a Bachelors back in December and did a brief Graduate stint in Cyber Security over the summer and those both went great but the job prospects have been......lacking thus far. I don’t know, I hear from people that you need practical experience in the industry and I agree with all that but everything I’ve applied for has always turned me down for lack of experience and it’s like, I can’t get any experience if I can’t get hired due my lack of experience. Anyways, I guess both the job hunting and the schooling have sort of hit dead ends and I’m not sure if I should like, get some kind of certification or just keep looking for a job or whatever and I know there are people on the forum with experience so just looking for advice I suppose. 

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  • I’d start looking at smaller companies and “service” related companies. The problem is that much of the 1st level/entry level for Server Admin type things is either being off shored or automated so getitng your foot into the door is difficult. Smaller companies still have need for humans however. If you have security clearance it’s even better as a number of government agencies and contractors open up to you (some will even pay to get you your clearance). 

    Saying the above, I’m not sure exactly what you want to do in the field. ComSci covers a HUGE area and specifics are good. Are you looking for Windows Admin? Linux Admin? network related? Security related? Programming/Application development? What is your experience outside of schooling? What type of jobs have you been applying for? What are you looking to do?
  • Alkaid13Alkaid13 Georgia
    edited September 12
    Preferably Cyber Security as far as experience goes it’s basically just schooling which seems to be the issue at hand. 
  • Alkaid13 said:
    Preferably Cyber Security as far as experience goes it’s basically just schooling which seems to be the issue at hand. 
    You may want to start looking at network related positions as well. I know a few folks who made the transition from Network to the Sec side of things. Security is a growing field and lots of folks want in.

    Sometimes it’s better to find a way in the door first then get to where you want to go. You may not always start off in the field you want, but sometimes getting outside experience in a related one so that you can actually get to where you want to be makes things easier. 
    Alkaid13
  • akritenbrinkakritenbrink Lynnwood, WA (Seattle area)
    When you say you "did a brief Graduate stint in Cyber Security over the summer" - what does that mean? Did you get a certificate of some kind? Or did you start a program that you haven't finished yet?

    I have an IT job but I got to it through a non-traditional method; I have a Master's degree in English. :) I am also not a specialist in any one IT field, although my skills are strongest in terms of project management and software support, with some data analysis skills. I do a variety of things and the only thing that ties them together is that they are all IT things that support insurance/risk managers, from supporting out-of-the-box systems to working on custom systems with a developer, doing data for our risk managers, etc. 

    What I have done in my career when I wanted a change is 1) take any opportunity in my current firm/position for training and then 2) look for positions where I was experienced in several of the requirements and only a couple of them were new for me. I work for a small department of a large university so I wear a lot of hats for my department, and it seems every year I end up learning something new along with all the stuff I normally do, since tech changes so rapidly. If there is a position somewhere for a smaller firm, or a smaller department in a larger firm, where you can wear some hats you are already experienced with, and then have some data security responsibilities, that might be a way to add that to your resume. 
    KingKobraAlkaid13
  • Alkaid13Alkaid13 Georgia
    edited September 12
    I got a General Cyber Security Degree. I also think I need some new job boards, I’ve been using Indeed, LinkedIn, Dice, etc. for a while. 
    akritenbrink
  • akritenbrinkakritenbrink Lynnwood, WA (Seattle area)
    Alkaid13 said:
    I got a General Cyber Security Degree. I also think I need some new job boards, I’ve been using Indeed, LinkedIn, Dice, etc. for a while. 
    Maybe target organizations directly that you're interested in. I'm not sure if bigger organizations use those; I know where I work, we have our own.

    I usually recommend volunteering to gain experience but are there cyber security volunteers? IDK
    Alkaid13
  • akritenbrinkakritenbrink Lynnwood, WA (Seattle area)
    I forgot to ask what you do for a living now. 
  • Alkaid13 said:
    I got a General Cyber Security Degree. I also think I need some new job boards, I’ve been using Indeed, LinkedIn, Dice, etc. for a while. 
    Maybe target organizations directly that you're interested in. I'm not sure if bigger organizations use those; I know where I work, we have our own.

    I usually recommend volunteering to gain experience but are there cyber security volunteers? IDK
    Large corps for sure have cyber security roles ;) they often want people with experience however. That’s why I suggested getitng a foot in with something “close” (like networking) and then working with the security team so your name would be “around” when a position opened up. Small companies are great, but at least in my experience often want you to wear more than one hat where as larger companies have more defined roles. Service companies (that offer IT services to other corporations) are sometimes a good place to be as they have many clients which allows for more diversified roles and changing environments. 
    Alkaid13
  • Are you open to travel?

    Have you considered a headhunter?
    Alkaid13
  • Yeah I’ve expanded my search area to include relocation. Also I basically just help family with things right now so not really a stable form of income. 
  • Alkaid13 said:
    Yeah I’ve expanded my search area to include relocation. Also I basically just help family with things right now so not really a stable form of income. 
    Did you ask the school you got a Bachelors from? Many schools have job placement help. I know the school I went to did and they helped get my resume out to a couple of places (I found work elsewhere). Also, use your family and friends as connections. They may not be in the field, but may know someone or can get word out. 
    Alkaid13
  • This is strictly my humble opinion. 

    If you are willing to relocate - and more importantly, willing to travel (as in consulting) ... junior consultant with a large firm is a great path for a recent tech grad.

    Deloitte, CGI, Accenture, etc.

    They often hire from campus career fairs, pay very well, train, etc.  Very competitive though.

    Three to five years later, find a good permanent employer in your favorite location, and you will be in high demand.
    Alkaid13
  • Yeah my school career center and job board wasn’t all that helpful. 
  • I guess the problem with going for a networking job is that I don’t actually have networking experience beyond like two classes as opposed to security and programming which I’ve done a lot of. 
  • edited September 13
    Alkaid13 said:
    I guess the problem with going for a networking job is that I don’t actually have networking experience beyond like two classes as opposed to security and programming which I’ve done a lot of. 
    May be better getting into a dev position then at a company that also has cyber security. I wasn’t really sure on your history/experience.  Getitng your foot in the door sometimes is the hardest part and finding the easiest crack is sometimes what’s needed. I know it’s not easy these days for entry level jobs, but as suggested before you may also want to try a head hunter. @tom_g mentioned a few of the service related IT companies (there are many) personally they are one of the first places I’d look as they usually have a wide range of positions needing to be filled. 

    I was a customer service rep (phones) for a company which just happened to offer up an “IT Intern” which fit what I needed perfectly. I used that to start my IT resume. If I hadn’t already been working there, I would have never known. 
    Alkaid13
  • Yeah I’ve widened out my searches to general IT work recently. 
    KingKobra
  • akritenbrinkakritenbrink Lynnwood, WA (Seattle area)
    KingKobra said:
    Alkaid13 said:
    I got a General Cyber Security Degree. I also think I need some new job boards, I’ve been using Indeed, LinkedIn, Dice, etc. for a while. 
    Maybe target organizations directly that you're interested in. I'm not sure if bigger organizations use those; I know where I work, we have our own.

    I usually recommend volunteering to gain experience but are there cyber security volunteers? IDK
    Large corps for sure have cyber security roles ;) they often want people with experience however. That’s why I suggested getitng a foot in with something “close” (like networking) and then working with the security team so your name would be “around” when a position opened up. Small companies are great, but at least in my experience often want you to wear more than one hat where as larger companies have more defined roles. Service companies (that offer IT services to other corporations) are sometimes a good place to be as they have many clients which allows for more diversified roles and changing environments. 
    "Actually" I meant I don't know if large organizations use the job boards he mentions as much as having their own job boards... GOOD TRY THOUGH lmao
    KingKobraAlkaid13
  • akritenbrinkakritenbrink Lynnwood, WA (Seattle area)
    Alkaid13 said:
    Yeah I’ve widened out my searches to general IT work recently. 
    Maybe there is a helpdesk job at a software firm that supports data security software. I believe that job would truly suck, but oftentimes helpdesk jobs are a way to get your foot in the door. I've been a client of a firm for 10-11 years and I've seen a lot of the helpdesk folks move up to higher level client-focused roles throughout the company- project managers, sales, whatever they call those people who are "call her when everything else fails" etc. 
    KingKobraAlkaid13
  • KingKobra said:
    Alkaid13 said:
    I got a General Cyber Security Degree. I also think I need some new job boards, I’ve been using Indeed, LinkedIn, Dice, etc. for a while. 
    Maybe target organizations directly that you're interested in. I'm not sure if bigger organizations use those; I know where I work, we have our own.

    I usually recommend volunteering to gain experience but are there cyber security volunteers? IDK
    Large corps for sure have cyber security roles ;) they often want people with experience however. That’s why I suggested getitng a foot in with something “close” (like networking) and then working with the security team so your name would be “around” when a position opened up. Small companies are great, but at least in my experience often want you to wear more than one hat where as larger companies have more defined roles. Service companies (that offer IT services to other corporations) are sometimes a good place to be as they have many clients which allows for more diversified roles and changing environments. 
    "Actually" I meant I don't know if large organizations use the job boards he mentions as much as having their own job boards... GOOD TRY THOUGH lmao
    I can’t read what you meant, until you say what you mean :p they do use job boards, but most hiring in my experience is in house (unless they can’t find a candidate internally). 
  • akritenbrinkakritenbrink Lynnwood, WA (Seattle area)
    KingKobra said:
    KingKobra said:
    Alkaid13 said:
    I got a General Cyber Security Degree. I also think I need some new job boards, I’ve been using Indeed, LinkedIn, Dice, etc. for a while. 
    Maybe target organizations directly that you're interested in. I'm not sure if bigger organizations use those; I know where I work, we have our own.

    I usually recommend volunteering to gain experience but are there cyber security volunteers? IDK
    Large corps for sure have cyber security roles ;) they often want people with experience however. That’s why I suggested getitng a foot in with something “close” (like networking) and then working with the security team so your name would be “around” when a position opened up. Small companies are great, but at least in my experience often want you to wear more than one hat where as larger companies have more defined roles. Service companies (that offer IT services to other corporations) are sometimes a good place to be as they have many clients which allows for more diversified roles and changing environments. 
    "Actually" I meant I don't know if large organizations use the job boards he mentions as much as having their own job boards... GOOD TRY THOUGH lmao
    I can’t read what you meant, until you say what you mean :p they do use job boards, but most hiring in my experience is in house (unless they can’t find a candidate internally). 
    "Actually" I feel like when the LAST sentence of his post was about job boards... it was obvious... LOL
    KingKobra
  • KingKobra said:
    KingKobra said:
    Alkaid13 said:
    I got a General Cyber Security Degree. I also think I need some new job boards, I’ve been using Indeed, LinkedIn, Dice, etc. for a while. 
    Maybe target organizations directly that you're interested in. I'm not sure if bigger organizations use those; I know where I work, we have our own.

    I usually recommend volunteering to gain experience but are there cyber security volunteers? IDK
    Large corps for sure have cyber security roles ;) they often want people with experience however. That’s why I suggested getitng a foot in with something “close” (like networking) and then working with the security team so your name would be “around” when a position opened up. Small companies are great, but at least in my experience often want you to wear more than one hat where as larger companies have more defined roles. Service companies (that offer IT services to other corporations) are sometimes a good place to be as they have many clients which allows for more diversified roles and changing environments. 
    "Actually" I meant I don't know if large organizations use the job boards he mentions as much as having their own job boards... GOOD TRY THOUGH lmao
    I can’t read what you meant, until you say what you mean :p they do use job boards, but most hiring in my experience is in house (unless they can’t find a candidate internally). 
    "Actually" I feel like when the LAST sentence of his post was about job boards... it was obvious... LOL
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
    akritenbrink
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