4.08 Coushatta

Written by Gordon Smith
Directed by Jim McKay
Cinematography by Marshall Adams
Edited by Chris McCaleb

Fun Fact: This is the 100th Episode of the Heisenverse. This is the second episode for Jim McKay, who last directed 1x04, “Cancer Man” (Feb. 2008). In between, McKay has directed shows such as Mr. Robot, Rectify, The Good Wife, The Americans, Bosch and many HBO shows (The Wire, Treme, Hung, In Treatment, Big Love). 

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  • Do with this information what you will...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coushatta
  • Coushatta = Native American Tribe found in La, Ok, Tx; A town in La; A casino in La
  • Anyone want to take a stab at this?  Only thing I can guess is maybe the German workers will hit a casino on their field trip?  
  • If they are going to actual casino, that's an awfully long way to go for a casino field trip, especially when there are a ton of options in New Mexico. But maybe you are right. They ship the Germans all the way there just as smokescreen to the actual location of the super lab (a la Denver airport). 
    NervousRhino
  • edited September 2018
    Yeah I was thinking I doubt they would stay in New Mexico because they will want to hide the location but Louisiana seems way too far. 

    Idk maybe it will have to do with the Tribe in Texas. That seems way more feasible distance wise. 
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    EDIT: aaaaand of course it had nothing to do the Germans  
  • Teresa from ConcordTeresa from Concord Concord, California
    Anyone know the actual run time of this episode. For some reason tonight felt like there were way more commercials, and yet a 1:15 time stamp.
  • I thought Kim wanted to be Atticus Finch, but apparently she wants to be Johnnie Cochran. 
    JoshuaHeter
  • Please tell me I didn’t see a boom mic briefly drop on screen during the first scene with Kim and Ericsen...
    Murderbear
  • AnominalAnominal San Francisco Bay Area
    I don't write in very often because I'm never near a computer when I listen.

    Three things:

    1) I just don't get the hang up with the "different" Gus Fring. I thought Gus was so great in Breaking Bad because of how ruthless he was. It seems like the same character to me, but I guess we just see it different.

    2) Kim is trying to go for the fulfillment trifecta. Doing something respectable in terms of prestige and money with Mesa Verde, doing something respectable and altruistic as a public defender, and then doing something that gets her heart racing as Slippin' Kimmy. You can see it in the final Mesa Verde scene of the episode where Kim has to hold back and be prudent and cautious and back the more sensible stance of Paige. She has to be responsible and not tackle an impossible challenge. We've seen her stressed out and overwhelmed this season. We've seen her be compassionate and help people in unfortunate situations... but to me when she blew off Paige, it felt like she was doing it as a way to avoid the pressure that Mesa Verde was putting on her as much as it was to help out the girl. As for the public defender stuff, remember, the judge told her she wouldn't find what she was looking for in the sea of drudgery that goes through his courtroom.

    With this latest Huel case, it became personal after the assistant DA insulted Jimmy. And it was a real injustice based on how other similar cases have been handled in the past. And so she got what she didn't know she needed this whole time. What she's been searching for. A "fuck you" win.

    3) About why we should care about the Huel case... for one thing, that's the prequel hurdle that every prequel goes through. Can you care about people and events when you know the outcome from the original piece. Just because we know that Huel is in Breaking Bad and is out of jail by that time, it doesn't mean we shouldn't care about why and how Huel came to know Jimmy and that we shouldn't care about how deep that relationship goes. 

    But regardless of Huel's situation... this whole case is really about Jimmy and Kim. Kim out Jimmy'd Jimmy today. She found a better way out than he came up with. No one's career got trashed and Huel stays free.

    4) What I'm waiting for in these coming final episodes is the final resolution of Chuck's death. That can't be over right?

    5) I think you have to view this season as setting up the groundwork for a second series climax. The first three seasons was the Chuck arc, with a launching point for the second arc with the introduction of Gus in season 3. This second climax (like your addendum addresses) is likely going to be the end of a Salamanca arc that was B plot in the first three seasons but it coming back around to intersecting with Jimmy somehow.
    DemichypergenesbtoncicaKingKobraDeeAww_PHuuCkMrXjtmy92djcaudle01Dnowelshand 1 other.
  • Frakkin TFrakkin T Currently Offline
    edited September 2018
    I remember on last week's thread saying I didn't see how or why Gus would kill the entire German crew. I see it now; they're way overdue and one of them just blabbed the secret plan to a couple of dudes in a bar. If it happens I bet Mike will be the one to take out Werner.
    NervousRhino
  • Frakkin TFrakkin T Currently Offline
    Anyone know the actual run time of this episode. For some reason tonight felt like there were way more commercials, and yet a 1:15 time stamp.
    About 52 minutes give or take
  • Anominal said:
    I don't write in very often because I'm never near a computer when I listen.

    Three things:

    1) I just don't get the hang up with the "different" Gus Fring. I thought Gus was so great in Breaking Bad because of how ruthless he was. It seems like the same character to me, but I guess we just see it different.

    2) Kim is trying to go for the fulfillment trifecta. Doing something respectable in terms of prestige and money with Mesa Verde, doing something respectable and altruistic as a public defender, and then doing something that gets her heart racing as Slippin' Kimmy. You can see it in the final Mesa Verde scene of the episode where Kim has to hold back and be prudent and cautious and back the more sensible stance of Paige. She has to be responsible and not tackle an impossible challenge. We've seen her stressed out and overwhelmed this season. We've seen her be compassionate and help people in unfortunate situations... but to me when she blew off Paige, it felt like she was doing it as a way to avoid the pressure that Mesa Verde was putting on her as much as it was to help out the girl. As for the public defender stuff, remember, the judge told her she wouldn't find what she was looking for in the sea of drudgery that goes through his courtroom.

    With this latest Huel case, it became personal after the assistant DA insulted Jimmy. And it was a real injustice based on how other similar cases have been handled in the past. And so she got what she didn't know she needed this whole time. What she's been searching for. A "fuck you" win.

    3) About why we should care about the Huel case... for one thing, that's the prequel hurdle that every prequel goes through. Can you care about people and events when you know the outcome from the original piece. Just because we know that Huel is in Breaking Bad and is out of jail by that time, it doesn't mean we shouldn't care about why and how Huel came to know Jimmy and that we shouldn't care about how deep that relationship goes. 

    But regardless of Huel's situation... this whole case is really about Jimmy and Kim. Kim out Jimmy'd Jimmy today. She found a better way out than he came up with. No one's career got trashed and Huel stays free.

    4) What I'm waiting for in these coming final episodes is the final resolution of Chuck's death. That can't be over right?

    5) I think you have to view this season as setting up the groundwork for a second series climax. The first three seasons was the Chuck arc, with a launching point for the second arc with the introduction of Gus in season 3. This second climax (like your addendum addresses) is likely going to be the end of a Salamanca arc that was B plot in the first three seasons but it coming back around to intersecting with Jimmy somehow.
    ^ all of this. I am finding myself a little perplexed by Jim and Aron's hang ups with many of these points...nothing wrong with that of course, but I think for me at least, this is the first time in the 8 years I have been a BaldMove listener that I so strongly disagree with their takes.
    MurderbearMrXj0n1c4
  • edited September 2018
    Frakkin T said:
    I remember on last week's thread saying I didn't see how or why Gus would kill the entire German crew. I see it now; they're way overdue and one of them just blabbed the secret plan to a couple of dudes in a bar. If it happens I bet Mike will be the one to take out Werner.
    And Mike Mentioned Albuquerque so they all know where they are, Mike’s full name, the laundromat, Gus’s name and what he looks like. 

    I just don't like these guy’s chances of surviving. 
  • Werner meet my good friend concrete.
    MurderbearJoshuaHeter
  • I'm guessing Mike's attempted clemency for Werner is what ends up cementing his "No half measures" credo. My heart almost stopped when Kimmy & Jim were in the stairwell. All that visual real estate given to the door convinced me that the ADA was going to walk right through it. They got me.
    hypergenesb
  • Is it just me or does the prosecutor look like Wendy?

    maybe we got the Wendy prediction wrong?




    FlukesDnowelsh
  • jtmy92jtmy92 Independence, MO
    ^ all of this. I am finding myself a little perplexed by Jim and Aron's hang ups with many of these points...nothing wrong with that of course, but I think for me at least, this is the first time in the 8 years I have been a BaldMove listener that I so strongly disagree with their takes.
    I agree with this. I am really enjoying this season (the quality of this show is top tier), and have been surprised that Jim and A.ron seem to be disappointed so far. Still loving the podcast of course.
    Dnowelshj0n1c4krypt0nforce
  • I'm definitely not as down on Kim's swing this episode as Jim or A.Ron are.

    My own work is software consulting, and it's a big, time consuming contract for a bank that's paying the bills.  But it can be sooo boring.  Then, I've got associates/clients who give me freedom to try out new technologies and come up with creative, clever solutions, but who don't pay worth a damn.

    My read is that Kim could have made the branch redesign happen, but it would have been a shit-ton of mind numbing paperwork.  Bank work is paying her bills, but she really hates it.  Her brain knows she should be doing that stuff, but scamming the ADA was just fun!  (Fun enough to make her horny.  I haven't had work that was that good.)

    Shifting gears/re Coushatta (kuh-SHA-tuh): A Zydeco-listening Babineaux whose church pastor is Fontenot would be from a town south of the coon-ass/redneck border.  Likely would be Catholic also.  Coushatta is a real town (very close to my in-laws) that's firmly on the redneck side of that line.  The names, accents, food, and music up there would be more what you would expect in Arkansas or Mississippi than the Villagang thinks.

    I did appreciate Jimmy's cringeworthy impersonation of a Cajun accent.  That's what all TV Louisiana accents sound like to us.  I'm assuming it was meant to set eyes rolling and not meant to be a good impersonation.



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  • AnominalAnominal San Francisco Bay Area
    edited September 2018
    Oh, I like that. I saw the boredom on Kim's face and interpreted it differently. The opposite way. But if the boredom was to avoid mind-numbing paperwork  that makes sense too. (Although she does have people for that right?)

    Either way, it's just not something that gets her heart racing. Just something she "should" do because it's expected/makes a lot of money for her.

    Still love Jim and A Ron. I watch a lot of shows only because they watch those shows, and I love hearing their takes even if they differ from mine, sometimes because of it. 
    jtmy92
  •   Breaking Bad is a bit of a sacred cow at BM so anything BCS does that seems to mess with the lore of BB is going to ruffle feathers.  

     I think Jim and a Ron have an idea of where the show should have gone that is based on what is best for Breaking Bad and not so much what best answers the question of how Jimmy became Saul.

      The downfall of Kim is the only believable set up for Jimmy going over the Saul cliff, and somehow the show has to set that up without manipulating what happens in BB...not an easy task!  

      However I do think at this point the Viligang has earned our attention and patience to just experience not only the rest of the season but through the end of next season as well, and reserve judgment for the process once we look back at the road from the finish 

    P.S.   Mike’s reaction to Gus killing Victor is a non-issue, Gus potentially had known Victor way longer than Mike and no matter what atrocities Mike may have viewed Gus accomplish in the past, self preservation will always take over in the moment... Mike was not reacting to what Gus was doing but who he was doing it too
    j0n1c4
  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky
    P.S.   Mike’s reaction to Gus killing Victor is a non-issue, Gus potentially had known Victor way longer than Mike and no matter what atrocities Mike may have viewed Gus accomplish in the past, self preservation will always take over in the moment... Mike was not reacting to what Gus was doing but who he was doing it too
    Agreed! It was a shocking moment and even just now going back and watching that scene again, Mike's reaction isn't that crazy. He could watch Gus personally slit the throat of every German this season and his reaction still isn't that crazy. It was a fast movement in an EXTREMELY tense situation and it was definitely shocking. And he pulled his gun up but that could have also been for in case Victor tried anything. It's funny that it's such a sticking point for the guys that I just don't see at all. Not that that is a problem, it's interesting to hear other viewpoints!


  • P.S.   Mike’s reaction to Gus killing Victor is a non-issue, Gus potentially had known Victor way longer than Mike and no matter what atrocities Mike may have viewed Gus accomplish in the past, self preservation will always take over in the moment... Mike was not reacting to what Gus was doing but who he was doing it too

    This is a great point. Victor seems to be one of Gus' longest standing and most trusted employees - so Mike very well could justify (but not agree with) Gus killing a bunch of German contractors, but killing Victor to get Walt/Jesse (who Mike didn't respect and probably didn't see it as a worth the sacrifice) in line could be a whole lot more horrifying in Mike's eyes.
  • AnominalAnominal San Francisco Bay Area
    edited September 2018
    Oh, and about the new guy. I didn't know who he was in Breaking Bad lore until I listened to the podcast. But the scene mattered to me because I like Nacho, and while things are going normal and as expected and he's on top, what Gus has over him is minimized. They established that he's the guy now with that first scene. But with an unknown being introduced, that only means bad things. Gus is going to want the new guy taken out because he's in the way of Gus's plans, and that's most likely going to involve Nacho.

    But also, I guess, I felt that way because I've been viewing this season as a new beginning and didn't have the expectations of Jim and A Ron about this season needing to even come close to the intensity of Season 3.
  • Just a minor correction from the Breaking Bad legacy.  It was not Emilio who was an informant, it was Krazy 8.  As far as we know, he is already one at this point in Better Call Saul
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    edited September 2018
    Anyone know where to get that polo shirt Nacho is wearing in the beginning? I need that shirt.

    Fuckin' hell, what a house...
  • I think Gus/Mike could use a good PMP, Project Management Professional.

    Sure, Mike says they are behind, but, can he quantify it??  Is he employing Earned Value Management?  Is there a Risk Management Plan?  He didn't mention the budget - come on Mike, what kind on project status report is this?

    Tom, PMP
    FlukesFreddy
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    tom_g said:
    I think Gus/Mike could use a good PMP, Project Management Professional.

    Sure, Mike says they are behind, but, can he quantify it??  Is he employing Earned Value Management?  Is there a Risk Management Plan?  He didn't mention the budget - come on Mike, what kind on project status report is this?

    Tom, PMP
    Its the kind of report that two men who are easily capable of killing each other give.
  • edited September 2018
    I was a little surprised at the take in the instacast on Kim's behavior, and I agree with a lot of what's been said above (see post by Anominal).

    Another point to add is that all of Kim's Mesa Verde riches are ill-gotten gains.  She only got this business because Jimmy changed Chuck's/HHMs paperwork.  She knew about this and chose not to rat on him.  Her choice was part of the demise and death of Chuck.  Since Chuck was someone she looked up to (see earlier flashback), she must be devastated by this. She seems to be a combination of guilty, unfulfilled, and bored at this point.  I think she is not as clean-cut as the guys think, and I'm not surprised at all by her erratic behavior based on the various pressures that she is under.
    Flukesj0n1c4hypergenesb
  • Dnowelsh said:
    I was a little surprised at the take in the instacast on Kim's behavior, and I agree with a lot of what's been said above (see post by Anominal).

    Another point to add is that all of Kim's Mesa Verde riches are ill-gotten gains.  She only got this business because Jimmy changed Chuck's/HHMs paperwork.  She knew about this and chose not to rat on him.  Her choice was part of the demise and death of Chuck.  Since Chuck was someone she looked up to (see earlier flashback), she must be devastated by this. She seems to be a combination of guilty, unfulfilled, and bored at this point.  I think she is not as clean-cut as the guys think, and I'm not surprised at all by her erratic behavior.
    The thing about Kim, as we have seen, she is capable of playing by the rules and succeeding.  In terms of a legal career, Jimmy has to cut corners, she chooses to, for some sort of excitement/rush.
  • I'm so bored with the "Germans" storyline. So predictable: They all go out in public, they misbehave and/or run their mouth, Mike handles it and tells Gus. IMO, it didn't progress the story at all.  The Kim and Jimmy story was entertaining, but too long and drawn out for me.  I like that they brought back the film students.  What I really wanted more of was Nacho, Crazy 8, Hector, the Cousins, Gus, Eduardo/Lalo - hell, even Papi!  That's the compelling story right now, and it has so many ties to BB.
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