4.09 Wiedersehen

Written by Gennifer Hutchison
Directed by Vince Gilligan
Cinematography by Marshall Adams
Edited by Skip Macdonald

This is 10th episode as director for Vince Gilligan (5 Better Call Saul, 5 Breaking Bad). The title of the episode is German, which literally translates to “until we see each other again,” so something’s about to go down with Werner, Kai and the boys in the super lab. Also, this one is 78 minutes long and it's the penultimate ep of Season 4, so someone is definitely saying goodbye. 

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  • fun fact about last episode and the beer mentioned...

    Weihenstephan, Germany, is the home of the Weihenstephan Brewery, widely accepted as the world’s oldest brewery. It started brewing beer back in 1040. To put that in perspective, the oldest brewery in the US is the Yuengling Brewery in Pottsville, Pennsylvania, which started brewing beer 789 years later in 1829. Weihenstephan is well-known for their hefeweizen, a delightfully fruity wheat beer.[3]
    Underwood
  • AnominalAnominal San Francisco Bay Area
    I feel like I have to come it to the forums at least one more time after my long post last week. I wanted to reiterate that I love what Jim and A. Ron do. They did sound a little bit more reserved during the full podcast, because of posts like mine. I'm perfectly happy having different interpretations as them and vice versa, because their views are always very well thought out, honest, and well articulated. I also thought there were some excellent points on how to make the episode better, such as wishing they focused more on how deep the rabbit hole could have gone and showing Jimmy outsmart them every step of the way. (I'm also in the camp of feeling like the montages are a bit much. I find myself tuning out a lot these days when the montages begin.)

    As for this episode... I thought it was great overall. Although I did think that maybe *my* interpretation of Kim's actions was the wrong one during the first half. Kim didn't think it was worthwhile to free Huell? All she wanted was to do the blueprint scam and quit? Well, it turns out that it was meant to be confusing and Jimmy voiced that confusion in his rant. I feel like it both doesn't invalidate how I saw Kim's decision to want to break bad, but also does validate Jim and A.Ron's confusion a bit. The whole thing is meant to be confusing, and I don't think it will be resolved this season.

    Conveniently, I also thought Jimmy was a bit much as he was saying his answers, but I just took it be in world he gets away with stuff like that and so expected it to just be part of my suspension of disbelief. But then the interview started taking a turn, and they also validated my thoughts there. Is at good or bad that I could have accepted it either way? Because of how I was interpreting what was on screen versus how I believed the in universe rules and Jimmy powers of persuasion to work. I don't know, but that's how it is.

    No complaints with the Salamanca stuff. Good introduction scene between Gus and Lalo. The question is if it's going to come to a head next week or go into next season. I was a little surprised at how little tension there was in that Gus/Nacho glance, but I'm sure he'll come into play eventually.

    Dynamite scene was tense. The escape was great. It helps make Werner's character a lot better, knowing how much he screwed up, and knowing what that very likely could mean and so he escaped. I wonder how Mike feels seeing Werner abandon his men.
  • How did that file clerk not see that scam coming? She must have rocks in her head.
    tom_g
  • edited October 2
    Dummy said:
    How did that file clerk not see that scam coming? She must have rocks in her head.
    It’s exactly why she was picked. It’s always easy to see the scam when you’re on the outside and know the people. Always much easier when you’re super skeptical of others. Most folks though will give benefit of the doubt, especially when sympathizing with a single mother who is dealing with a brain dead brother. 


    Overall a very good episode. Jimmy continues to try and set fire to those around him. His emotions have always been his downfall. Kim is the one person who probably does unconditionally love Jimmy regardless of what he does.

     I’m more surprised that Mike and his guys got shafted and nothing was investigated when those surges happened. That is the biggest “give” this episode as Mike is usually thorough and it seems like a major issue that his guys failed to do anything. 

    We finally got the introduction of the bell and find out it has some meaning behind it. It’s interesitng to see Gus think on his feet and get out of these situations. 

    Looking forward to the finale next week, seems like they have quite a bit to wrap up and set up for next season. 
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    I have to say, Mike is not as on the ball as he should be. First he let Werner get away with yakking it up, then running off. Shouldn’t his guys have told him straight away about the pixel thing? It seems a bit odd that Gus would be continuing to work with him in Breaking Bad after a fuck up of that level. Realistically he should be getting the box cutter next episode.
    MurderbearKingKobraNervousRhinoDoctor_Nick
  • With one episode left I think it's safe to say we are not getting a Walt or Jessie cameo, which i'll admit I was looking forward to. 
  • tom_gtom_g WV
    edited October 2
    Dummy said:
    How did that file clerk not see that scam coming? She must have rocks in her head.

     That was a 'Leftovers' joke - right??
    SeanMacDummyFlukesKela15
  • tom_g said:
    Dummy said:
    How did that file clerk not see that scam coming? She must have rocks in her head.

     That was a 'Leftovers' joke - right??
    Maybe she was really high...  wait, did I mess that one up?
  • I agree with you all that think Mike has handled this operation poorly.  He has made a lot of mistakes IMO and that’s unusual for him. I would say his surveillance team botched the whole escape thing but Mike personally made a big deal out of vetting these guys and making sure they were up to his standards. He also apparently didn’t give them a protocol if the cameras appeared to be malfunctioning. 

    I would think if Mike manages to track the guy down before Gus gets wind of what’s going on that may explain why Mike is still alive and still working for him down the line but you have to think he will eventually tell Gus. Then what? I’m looking forward to the next episode!

     I’m not sure what to think of the Nacho and Jimmy parts of the story. No idea where that will all land but I’m sure it’s going to get crazy. Bring it on! 
  • Natter CastNatter Cast San Francisco, CA
    Official prediction: Kim busted Werner out of the superlab because she needs an architect/structural engineer willing to submit unpermitted plans to the various counties she's working in. That was her laser pointer Mike found. Werner and Kim have been in on everything from the start, ever since they were in that barbershop quartet together back in Skokie, Ill. #UsualSuspectsTroll
    Flukes
  • AnominalAnominal San Francisco Bay Area
    Prediction. No matter what happens with Werner, Lydia has his family killed. 
    rkcrawfFlukes
  • Has Mike killed anyone for Gus at this point? I think so far all of his murders have been acts of revenge/vigilantism/war. I wonder if he considers "executioner" part of his current job description.

    Clearly, we see him doing wet work in Breaking Bad, but I wonder if this is where he makes that turn and if there will be any contention between him and Gus before he does.
  • Natter CastNatter Cast San Francisco, CA
    The Mesa Verde branch is on Baylor street in Lubbock, Tx? Sounds to me like Kevin wants to build himself a Great Sept. The Great Sept of Lubbock.
  • Natter CastNatter Cast San Francisco, CA
    edited October 2
    Potter Stewart was the Supreme Court justice who admitted that he could not strictly define pornography but that he "knows it when he sees it." That's who Kim was referencing in the "use our powers for good" conversation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potter_Stewart
  • Garthgou81Garthgou81 Placerville, CA
    jleav382 said:
    With one episode left I think it's safe to say we are not getting a Walt or Jessie cameo, which i'll admit I was looking forward to. 
    Man, unless it’s a stinger or a quick shot of them, I really hope we don’t. It seems too fan service’y. Which the Villigang haven’t shied from before, so who knows. But unless it really serves a purpose, it could be a moment that start the whole show crumbling. That’s been my view from the outset though. We saw plenty of them for years, I’d hate to risk their appearance as the show stretching itself too thin. 
    Dee
  • Garthgou81Garthgou81 Placerville, CA
    Mike’s mistakes this seas have humanized him, which I like. He was always super cop who seemed infallible, so it’s nice to seem him struggling a bit here and there
  • Doctor_NickDoctor_Nick Terminus
    edited October 3
    It strains my belief that Kim and Jimmy didn't rehearse the reinstatement hearing and that the subject of Chuck didn't come up in relation to his upcoming performance at said hearing.  Never mind that a con artist as skilled as Jimmy is so obtuse about other people that he doesn't realize he would have to address at least something about his public conflict with his famous lawyer brother who then tragically died.  
    tom_gFlukes
  • davemcbdavemcb Melbourne
    I got lost in the Mike and Werner scene because the basketball being played was so disgusting I couldn’t look away it was a train wreck. 
  • It strains my belief that Kim and Jimmy didn't rehearse the reinstatement hearing and that the subject of Chuck didn't come up in relation to his upcoming performance at said hearing.  Never mind that a con artist as skilled as Jimmy is so obtuse about other people that he doesn't realize he would have to address at least something about his public conflict with his famous lawyer brother who then tragically died.  
    Eh. Everything leading up to this made it seem like a done deal. It seems like Jimmy never even thought of crossed his mind he could get rejected. So not surprised they didn’t put any effort into the hearing. Every episode before this was basically Jimmy saying “I’ll be a lawyer soon” they never once hinted at any doubt
    Murderbear
  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky
    I think it could be a stretch to ever see Walt in this world but Jesse is a definite possibility. He clearly knew about Saul since he told Walt about him. So there is a good chance that he had to call Saul to get him out of some legal jam at some point.

    As we get closer and closer to the BB timeline, I don't think cameos will bother me as much. Tuco showing up all the way back in episode 1 made my eyes roll back in my skull but now that we're getting closer to a convergence, it's more welcome in my eyes.
    FlukesNervousRhino
  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky

    Potter Stewart was the Supreme Court justice who admitted that he could not strictly define pornography but that he "knows it when he sees it." That's who Kim was referencing in the "use our powers for good" conversation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potter_Stewart
    I had to do some quick googling to get that into the boys before the end of the episode. When they talked about not catching what Kim said, I remembered I didn't exactly catch it either. The name Potter Stewart sounded familiar but then as soon as I saw the quote in context, I knew why.

    Also, funny story. A couple of weeks ago I changed my screen name on YouTube to my Bald Move name so the guys would recognize it in the live chat. Little did I know, I was changing my name on my entire Google account. So when I had emailed my boss, I came into work the next day and when I walk into the office he just looks at me and says ".....Murder Bear?"

    I changed it back to my name.
    FlukesNatter Cast
  • Tuco showing up all the way back in episode 1 made my eyes roll back in my skull 
    You and me both. I’m not exaggerating when I say I almost quit the show after that.  I’m glad I didn’t but damn, that was really awful.
    Murderbear
  • MichelleMichelle California
    Living for Aron's callback of the after school carnival scene with Sandy and Danny in Grease.  :smiley:
    @Jim - weekend movie goals!



  • Multiple times during the Wiedersehen cast (and other cast episodes this season) @A_Ron_Hubbard implied that Season 5 would be the final season of Better Call Saul. While AMC has already renewed the show for a 5th season, I haven't read anywhere that Season 5 will be the last season of the show. Did I miss something? Do you have some inside info Aron?
  • Garthgou81Garthgou81 Placerville, CA
    edited October 4
    This may have been mentioned in the podcast, but has it been rumbling around in anyone's mind how Mike disdainfully looks at the cameras when visiting his guys in jail in Breaking Bad ("Hazard Pay" was the episode, I think). At the time it was just because we thought he was annoyed by the whole process, but now it adds a little bit of flavor to the thing. 

    It didn't stop Gus from using cameras to track Walt in the Superlab. Maybe he thought he couldn't get screwed over twice in the same way...or Mike never gives the details to Gus on the escaped, but that doesn't seem like a possibility for someone as detail-oriented as Gus. 
  • Multiple times during the Wiedersehen cast (and other cast episodes this season) @A_Ron_Hubbard implied that Season 5 would be the final season of Better Call Saul. While AMC has already renewed the show for a 5th season, I haven't read anywhere that Season 5 will be the last season of the show. Did I miss something? Do you have some inside info Aron?
    We don't have any special knowledge about the show so if it's not on the internet, it's probably not been decided.  I think 5 being the final season is an assumption a lot of people are making, myself included.  Fair point that it might not be.
    KingKobra
  • Garthgou81Garthgou81 Placerville, CA
    There still seems to be so much ground to cover with the pace that they are going. I wouldn't be surprised if they went the route of a Goof Ol' Fashioned AMC Final Extended Season.
  • It depends on how much actual Better Call Saul they want to do- somehow he might still mostly be Jimmy McGill until near the very end of the series....
  • Garthgou81Garthgou81 Placerville, CA
    It depends on how much actual Better Call Saul they want to do- somehow he might still mostly be Jimmy McGill until near the very end of the series....
    Yeah, that's true, if they decide to kind of setup for how Saul runs things and then end it there. I guess they could. But they have set the stage for a Gene story. And that has to come home to roost I'd imagine. But agreed. if they want to spend any time in the Saul world, it seems like things would be too compressed. The Villigang always surprises though, so who knows. 
  • I say no matter how many more episodes they do, we just call it season 5. They make 40 more episodes? Looks like we have season 5 A-D. 
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