Star Wars Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker

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  • So watching ep 9 is like how many of us watched ep 3? I get that...
  • JoshuaHeterJoshuaHeter Omaha, NE
    edited November 2019
    So, I rewatched Rogue One; I liked it even more than before, but it got me thinking about the sequel trilogy.  I think my real problem with the sequel trilogy boils down to the "soft-reboot" issue. It doesn't feel like a continuation of the OT. It feels like a "re-imagining" of the Star Wars universe. Here's just a quick thought experiment.

    Imagine if (upon buying the franchise) Disney announced "We aren't going to do a sequel trilogy. Instead, we are going to do a trilogy that 're-imagines' the Star Wars universe. It will still have the same Star Wars feel, but with new characters and a new conflict." I *think* most fans would be furious and hate this idea. Right? Here's the point. How much of the sequel trilogy would have to be changed in order to make it just a "re-imagining" of Star Wars (as opposed to it being a sequel)? And, how much would that *really* affect the story or characters? The answer to these questions of course isn't zero, but I think it's... not much. 

    In contrast, *to me*, Rogue One - however unnecessary - feels like it's imbedded in the actual OT story. Perhaps it's a chapter that could have been glossed over - but it doesn't seem like it's out of another book. By contrast, the sequel trilogy just seems like it's a tack-on from a parallel universe.
    JaimieTBroRad33
  • I may be in the minority but of the last 4 movies Rogue One and The Last Jedi are my favorites. I hated Solo and thought TFA was just ok. 
    Aww_PHuuCk
  • fidoz said:
    I may be in the minority but of the last 4 movies Rogue One and The Last Jedi are my favorites. I hated Solo and thought TFA was just ok. 

    I just rewatched Rogue One on Disney+, and it kind-of rules more than I remembered. Looks great in 4K HDR too.
    JoshuaHeter
  • edited November 2019
    So, I rewatched Rogue One; I liked it even more than before, but it got me thinking about the sequel trilogy.  I think my real problem with the sequel trilogy boils down to the "soft-reboot" issue. It doesn't feel like a continuation of the OT. It feels like a "re-imagining" of the Star Wars universe. Here's just a quick thought experiment.

    Imagine if (upon buying the franchise) Disney announced "We aren't going to do a sequel trilogy. Instead, we are going to do a trilogy that 're-imagines' the Star Wars universe. It will still have the same Star Wars feel, but with new characters and a new conflict." I *think* most fans would be furious and hate this idea. Right? Here's the point. How much of the sequel trilogy would have to be changed in order to make it just a "re-imagining" of Star Wars (as opposed to it being a sequel)? And, how much would that *really* affect the story or characters? The answer to these questions of course isn't zero, but I think it's... not much. 

    In contrast, *to me*, Rogue One - however unnecessary - feels like it's imbedded in the actual OT story. Perhaps it's a chapter that could have been glossed over - but it doesn't seem like it's out of another book. By contrast, the sequel trilogy just seems like it's a tack-on from a parallel universe.
    They just shouldn’t have done a sequel trilogy to begin with. You were never going to do anything satisfying with a bunch of 60 year old actors for the hardcore fans of the OT other than put them in pass-the-torch type rolls. They should have just started a new trilogy set years after the holy trinity had died off.
    BroRad33
  • So, I rewatched Rogue One; I liked it even more than before, but it got me thinking about the sequel trilogy.  I think my real problem with the sequel trilogy boils down to the "soft-reboot" issue. It doesn't feel like a continuation of the OT. It feels like a "re-imagining" of the Star Wars universe. Here's just a quick thought experiment.

    Imagine if (upon buying the franchise) Disney announced "We aren't going to do a sequel trilogy. Instead, we are going to do a trilogy that 're-imagines' the Star Wars universe. It will still have the same Star Wars feel, but with new characters and a new conflict." I *think* most fans would be furious and hate this idea. Right? Here's the point. How much of the sequel trilogy would have to be changed in order to make it just a "re-imagining" of Star Wars (as opposed to it being a sequel)? And, how much would that *really* affect the story or characters? The answer to these questions of course isn't zero, but I think it's... not much. 

    In contrast, *to me*, Rogue One - however unnecessary - feels like it's imbedded in the actual OT story. Perhaps it's a chapter that could have been glossed over - but it doesn't seem like it's out of another book. By contrast, the sequel trilogy just seems like it's a tack-on from a parallel universe.
    They just shouldn’t have done a sequel trilogy to begin with. You were never going to do anything satisfying with a bunch of 60 year old actors for the hardcore fans of the OT other than put them in pass-the-torch type rolls. They should have just started a new trilogy set years after the holy trinity had died off.
    I’m not gonna be one that says well if they made the movie in my head it would have worked but there’s definitely some cool things they could have done with the OT guys. IMO they just decided to do the worst possible choice. Have ANH2 and then let a bunch of directors muddy the waters with their own visions and plots. 
    BroRad33
  • MrXMrX CO
    edited December 2019

    Insert standard caveat about Rotten Tomatoes etc etc ....

    That said .... ruh roh. The early buzz on Twitter has not been good either.



    ChinaskiJoshuaHeterrkcrawf
  • I like that they decided to take a risk and hand over creative freedom for these movies, but don't you kind of want a planned arc at least if you know it's going to be a trilogy? Giving one person the freedom to try something new with the whole set is a lot different than trying to get three separate takes in what's supposed to be a single story. It's bizarre that they decided to wing it the way they did.
    ChinaskichriskHatorian
  • chriskchrisk Indianapolis
    I like that they decided to take a risk and hand over creative freedom for these movies, but don't you kind of want a planned arc at least if you know it's going to be a trilogy? Giving one person the freedom to try something new with the whole set is a lot different than trying to get three separate takes in what's supposed to be a single story. It's bizarre that they decided to wing it the way they did.
    This is true. Or at least had a "showrunner" kind of like Lucas was with the first 3. I'd have preferred a less reverent approach like Johnson's for the whole thing, though obviously people have issues with that one. 

    It's still weird to me that after the prequels anyone complains thinks this trilogy ruined Star Wars.


    Rotten Tomatoes ratings are so bad, and I wish people didn't use those percentages as any sort of indicator. It doesn't accommodate flawed movies that are still entertaining and worth seeing.

    bizmarkiefader
  • Shoulda got the Villigang if they needed to figure out what to do on the fly....
  • Normally I think critic reviews are incredibly helpful, however I have 0 faith in them when it comes to SW, especially now (side note - how the hell did attack of the clones, the worst of all the SW movies, get 65% positive reviews? That movie is AWFUL). Everyone comes in with so much baggage and so many preconcieved notions because SW is such a cultural juggernaut and so divisive now. I expect, like with TFW and TLJ, it will be a movie I have fun watching and then basically forget about, which is fine. That makes it better than any of the prequels and worse than any of the original trilogy, which is basically where these movies fall for me. 
    MrX
  • Natter CastNatter Cast San Francisco, CA
    I'm sure The Walk of the Skyriser will probably mostly be fine.
    Freddy
  • Can we add the non- or spoiler tag to the thread since we're getting closer to the release so people know what to/what not to post?
    JoshuaHeter
  • gguenot said:
    Can we add the non- or spoiler tag to the thread since we're getting closer to the release so people know what to/what not to post?
    My vote would be for this to stay non-spoiler and we get a separate spoiler thread. 
    gguenot
  • chrisk said:
    I like that they decided to take a risk and hand over creative freedom for these movies, but don't you kind of want a planned arc at least if you know it's going to be a trilogy? Giving one person the freedom to try something new with the whole set is a lot different than trying to get three separate takes in what's supposed to be a single story. It's bizarre that they decided to wing it the way they did.
    This is true. Or at least had a "showrunner" kind of like Lucas was with the first 3. I'd have preferred a less reverent approach like Johnson's for the whole thing, though obviously people have issues with that one. 

    It's still weird to me that after the prequels anyone complains thinks this trilogy ruined Star Wars.


    Rotten Tomatoes ratings are so bad, and I wish people didn't use those percentages as any sort of indicator. It doesn't accommodate flawed movies that are still entertaining and worth seeing.


    Yeah. My big problem with TLJ is that Rian Johnson should have had the freedom to blow it all up. Luke should have died a grumpy old man alone, Rey and Kylo should have teamed up against the old guard, Finn should have decided the arms dealers were his real enemy, and Poe should have been court martialed.

    Instead, it was a mess that it was.
  • Not a good box office trend for Star Wars.  Luckily the Mandalorian is picking up the slack.  
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    For me, it's lucky ROS underperformed. Kathleen Kennedy will definitely be shown the door now.
    rkcrawf
  • edited December 2019
    JaimieT said:
    For me, it's lucky ROS underperformed. Kathleen Kennedy will definitely be shown the door now.

    How did they hire a person that knew none of the history and didn't care to in the first place? The first part I understand but once getting the job not at least getting a synopsis of the books and comics is lazy. 

    I'm not a Star Wars fanboy, saw the originals in the theaters, really only liked the first two and is iffy on RotJ. I basically declared Fan Bankruptcy (*TMBM) when I first saw an Ewok. I still know things that happened in the books and comics just by basic nerd osmosis I guess.

    Just saying "there is no source material for Star Wars" is obnoxious and an intentional slap in the face to the fans. At least with The Mandalorian Jon Favreau is a fan and gets what is expected. 

    * Trademark Bald Move  :) 

    JaimieTCretanBull
  • r0ck44r0ck44 Fairborn, Ohio
    I’m 48 and grew up on Star Wars, most of this movie was a steaming pile Of shit, however the last 30 seconds of the movie hit me right in the feels 
  • CapeGabe said:
    JaimieT said:
    For me, it's lucky ROS underperformed. Kathleen Kennedy will definitely be shown the door now.

     I still know things that happened in the books and comics just by basic nerd osmosis I guess.

    I credit nerd osmosis for about 95% of what I know about anything :) 
    CapeGabe
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