GRRM says goodbye to the show

I think he's taking this well. Of course, the people who say that he hates the show/D&D are normally just book purists who want to believe that because that's how they feel about the show and the writers.


http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/20/an-ending/

AN ENDING

MAY 20, 2019

The last night, the last show.   After eight epic seasons, HBO’s GAME OF THRONES series has come to an end.

It is hard to believe it is over, if truth be told.   The years have gone past in the blink of an eye.  Can it really have been more than a decade since my manager Vince Gerardis set up a meeting at the Palm in LA, and I sat down for the first time with David Benioff and D.B. Weiss for a lunch that lasted well past dinner?  I asked them if they knew who Jon Snow’s mother was.   Fortunately, they did.

That was how it started.  It ended last night.

I had no clue, that afternoon at the Palm, that I was about to embark on a journey that would change my life.   I had optioned books and stories for television and film before.  Some had even been made   There was no way to know that this one was going to be different, that this pilot would not only be shot,  but would go on to become the most successful show in the history of HBO, win a record number of Emmy Awards, become the most popular (and most pirated) show in the world, and transform a group of talented but largely unknown actors into major celebrities and stars.   Even less did I imagine that Iwould somehow become a celebrity as well… and if truth be told, I’m still not sure how that happened.

It has been a wild ride, to say the least.

I want to thank people, but there are so many.   There were forty-two cast members at the season eight premiere in New York City, and that wasn’t even all of them.   And the crew, though less visible than the cast, were no less important.  We had some amazing people working on this show, as all those Emmys bear witness.   David & Dan assembled a championship team.   The directors were incredible as well.   I should start naming names, but then I’d miss someone, there were so many.   But I do need to mention David Benioff, Dan Weiss, Bryan Cogman (the third head of the dragon, as I said in the recent VANITY FAIR piece about him), and of course the great team at HBO, headed by Richard Plepler.   Any other network, and GAME OF THRONES would not have been what it became.  Most other networks, this series never gets made at all.

I could go on and on… and have, as I’ve been writing this post in my head… but there’s really too much to say.   Parting is such sweet sorrow, the Bard wrote.  In the weeks and months to come, I may post about some of my favorite moments from the making of this show… now and again, when I am feeling nostalgic… but just now, there are so many memories, and no time to do them all justice.

Let me say this much — last night was an ending, but it was also a beginning.   Nobody is retiring any time soon.   David and Dan are going on to STAR WARS and other projects beyond that.   Amazon scooped up Bryan Cogman, and put him to work on developing shows of his own, as well as helping out on their big Tolkien project.   Our brilliant cast has scattered to the four winds, but you’ll be seeing a lot of them in the years to come, in all manner of television shows and movies.   Our directors are keeping busy as well.   I suspect that you have not seen the last of Westeros on your television sets either, but I guess that all depends on how some of these successor shows turn out.

And me?  I’m still here, and I’m still busy.    As a producer, I’ve got five shows in development at HBO (some having nothing whatsoever to do with the world of Westeros), two at Hulu, one on the History Channel.   I’m involved with a number of feature projects, some based upon my own stories and books, some on material created by others.   There are these short films I am hoping to make, adaptations of classic stories by one of the most brilliant, quirky, and original writers our genre has ever produced.   I’ve consulted on a video game out of Japan.   And then there’s Meow Wolf…

And I’m writing.   Winter is coming, I told you, long ago… and so it is.   THE WINDS OF WINTER is very late, I know, I know, but it will be done.  I won’t say when, I’ve tried that before, only to burn you all and jinx myself… but I will finish it, and then will come A DREAM OF SPRING.

How will it all end? I hear people asking.   The same ending as the show?  Different?

Well… yes.  And no.  And yes.   And no.   And yes.   And no.   And yes.

I am working in a very different medium than David and Dan, never forget.   They had eight hours for this final season.   I expect these last two books of mine will fill 3000 manuscript pages between them before I’m done… and if more pages and chapters and scenes are needed, I’ll add them.   And of course the butterfly effect will be at work as well; those of you who follow this Not A Blog will know that I’ve been talking about that since season one.   There are characters who never made it onto the screen at all, and others who died in the show but still live in the books… so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet.   And yes, there will be unicorns… of a sort…

Book or show, which will be the “real” ending?   It’s a silly question.   How many children did Scarlett O’Hara have?

How about this?  I’ll write it.   You read it.  Then everyone can make up their own mind, and argue about it on the internet.

 

MattyWeavesSanguinePenguin

Comments

  • edited May 21
     so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet.   

     

    I think we've discovered why he's having such a hard time finishing the books!  That is just a sample of the characters and storylines that the show wisely cut out. Wow.

    Nice comments by GRRM.
    DJ_150
  • hoos30 said:
     so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet.   

     

    I think we've discovered why he's having such a hard time finishing the books!  That is just a sample of the characters and storylines that the show wisely cut out. Wow.

    Nice comments by GRRM.

    But now we know they are all bullshit red herrings. That is the difference. You think I want to read another thousand pages about Young Griff knowing it goes nowhere?!?

    Yeah, I probably will. I hate myself. 
    All the ChickensDJ_150SanguinePenguinRosehoos30mac.maguireScottTenorman
  • A lot of rumblings that Young Griff is the ruler in KL when Dany gets there, not Cersei. 
    ken halemac.maguire
  • MrXMrX CO
    asmallcat said:
    A lot of rumblings that Young Griff is the ruler in KL when Dany gets there, not Cersei. 

    Yes I'm thinking a lot in Kings Landing is going to shake out differently than in the show and will be very interesting to read.
  •    I’ve consulted on a video game out of Japan.  

    I know people only care about GOT at the moment but I was thrilled to see this line. There were rumors recently that he was working on a game with FROM Software (Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Sekiro) and I wasn’t sure what to make of that, but this seems to confirm! I so hope it’s true. My favorite game developer and GRRM together sounds like a winning combination.
  • asmallcat said:
    A lot of rumblings that Young Griff is the ruler in KL when Dany gets there, not Cersei. 
    That's my guess too. It makes a lot of sense given Dany's show trajectory. I'd imagine the people are going to love Griff. 
  • OldGriswoldOldGriswold Brooklyn
    I'm still pissed off that Strong Belwas never made it into the show
    TheRealCrazyDave
  • edited May 21
    >I’ve consulted on a video game out of Japan. 

    YAAAAAAS

    As far as overgrown-garden type narratives, Martin has nothing on From Software :smile:
    MurderbearDaveyMac
  • HunkuleseHunkulese Québec, Canada
    CapeGabe said:
    hoos30 said:
     so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet.   

     

    I think we've discovered why he's having such a hard time finishing the books!  That is just a sample of the characters and storylines that the show wisely cut out. Wow.

    Nice comments by GRRM.

    But now we know they are all bullshit red herrings. That is the difference. You think I want to read another thousand pages about Young Griff knowing it goes nowhere?!?

    Yeah, I probably will. I hate myself. 
    I wouldn't call them bullshit red herrings. I'm sure their stories are all going somewhere. Was.Robb a bullshit red herring since his story went nowhere?
  • All the ChickensAll the Chickens Birmingham, AL
    Hunkulese said:
    CapeGabe said:
    hoos30 said:
     so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet.   

     

    I think we've discovered why he's having such a hard time finishing the books!  That is just a sample of the characters and storylines that the show wisely cut out. Wow.

    Nice comments by GRRM.

    But now we know they are all bullshit red herrings. That is the difference. You think I want to read another thousand pages about Young Griff knowing it goes nowhere?!?

    Yeah, I probably will. I hate myself. 
    I wouldn't call them bullshit red herrings. I'm sure their stories are all going somewhere. Was.Robb a bullshit red herring since his story went nowhere?
    That is the exact example I always pull when people insinuate that someone dying or not ultimately achieving their goals at the end makes them a red herring. Plenty of great characters have died early and late in the series while contributing to the story and affecting other characters story arcs. I don't think it's fair to say that they are red herrings just because you know that they die or don't amount to as much as they could.

    It's kind of like people saying that we wasted all of that time with Dany in Essos now that we know she turns bad (to some degree) and ultimately dies before conquering all of Westeros. Why was it wasted? Was spending all of that time with Robb and his army a waste of time just because he gave in to his base desire and Stark-ness when he made a dumb political move and trusted people not to turn on him afterwards when he tried to make it right? No. The journey was the entertainment, not his ending.

    bbord
  • chriskchrisk Indianapolis
    Hunkulese said:
    CapeGabe said:
    hoos30 said:
     so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet.   

     

    I think we've discovered why he's having such a hard time finishing the books!  That is just a sample of the characters and storylines that the show wisely cut out. Wow.

    Nice comments by GRRM.

    But now we know they are all bullshit red herrings. That is the difference. You think I want to read another thousand pages about Young Griff knowing it goes nowhere?!?

    Yeah, I probably will. I hate myself. 
    I wouldn't call them bullshit red herrings. I'm sure their stories are all going somewhere. Was.Robb a bullshit red herring since his story went nowhere?
    That is the exact example I always pull when people insinuate that someone dying or not ultimately achieving their goals at the end makes them a red herring. Plenty of great characters have died early and late in the series while contributing to the story and affecting other characters story arcs. I don't think it's fair to say that they are red herrings just because you know that they die or don't amount to as much as they could.

    It's kind of like people saying that we wasted all of that time with Dany in Essos now that we know she turns bad (to some degree) and ultimately dies before conquering all of Westeros. Why was it wasted? Was spending all of that time with Robb and his army a waste of time just because he gave in to his base desire and Stark-ness when he made a dumb political move and trusted people not to turn on him afterwards when he tried to make it right? No. The journey was the entertainment, not his ending.

    All this. I didn't enjoy the Dany stuff in Essos, but that's a different issue. It wasn't wasted in terms of the story.
    majjam0770
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco

    And me?  I’m still here, and I’m still busy.    As a producer, I’ve got five shows in development at HBO (some having nothing whatsoever to do with the world of Westeros), two at Hulu, one on the History Channel.   I’m involved with a number of feature projects, some based upon my own stories and books, some on material created by others.   There are these short films I am hoping to make, adaptations of classic stories by one of the most brilliant, quirky, and original writers our genre has ever produced.   I’ve consulted on a video game out of Japan.   And then there’s Meow Wolf…

    And I’m writing.   Winter is coming, I told you, long ago… and so it is.   THE WINDS OF WINTER is very late, I know, I know, but it will be done.  I won’t say when, I’ve tried that before, only to burn you all and jinx myself… but I will finish it, and then will come A DREAM OF SPRING.

    Man, I know these books are never going to come out and George can do whatever he wants but good god. How could anyone keep all those stories straight.
    majjam0770
  • Hunkulese said:
    CapeGabe said:
    hoos30 said:
     so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet.   

     

    I think we've discovered why he's having such a hard time finishing the books!  That is just a sample of the characters and storylines that the show wisely cut out. Wow.

    Nice comments by GRRM.

    But now we know they are all bullshit red herrings. That is the difference. You think I want to read another thousand pages about Young Griff knowing it goes nowhere?!?

    Yeah, I probably will. I hate myself. 
    I wouldn't call them bullshit red herrings. I'm sure their stories are all going somewhere. Was.Robb a bullshit red herring since his story went nowhere?
    Ned Stark, like communism, was just a red herring. 
  • Hunkulese said:
    CapeGabe said:
    hoos30 said:
     so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet.   

     

    I think we've discovered why he's having such a hard time finishing the books!  That is just a sample of the characters and storylines that the show wisely cut out. Wow.

    Nice comments by GRRM.

    But now we know they are all bullshit red herrings. That is the difference. You think I want to read another thousand pages about Young Griff knowing it goes nowhere?!?

    Yeah, I probably will. I hate myself. 
    I wouldn't call them bullshit red herrings. I'm sure their stories are all going somewhere. Was.Robb a bullshit red herring since his story went nowhere?

    Yeah, I probably worded that wrong to be a little flippant. My point was that in the books how many pages are used for characters that have a minimal effect on the main story.

    GRRM said he started writing the books with the idea that he was sick of being constrained writing for work and was going to just write what he wanted. I think that worked fantastically in the first three books but then started to cause the problem he is in now. I have said that the best thing about the first three books was there was no editor restraining or focusing him but from then on he really needed an editor to restrain and focus him.

    A feast of Crows and A Dance of Dragons lack the focus of the earlier books and when you are reading hundreds of pages of what turns out to be just a really minor character it is frustrating in retrospect.
    hoos30majjam0770
  • Man, I know these books are never going to come out and George can do whatever he wants but good god. How could anyone keep all those stories straight. 
    Winds is probably close to done.  I’d say it’s a good bet we see it. The last book’s completion is certainly questionable.  I wouldn’t give up all hope though, as this blog post seems encouraging.
  • Teresa from ConcordTeresa from Concord Concord, California
    Is it wrong that as I read GRRM’s thoughtful words I was thinking, “why aren’t you writing books!”
    SanguinePenguin
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    Is it wrong that as I read GRRM’s thoughtful words I was thinking, “why aren’t you writing books!”
    I mean that's the first reaction I had too. I think it's pretty natural. I'm not cool with people harassing him and the weird kind of entitlement a lot of fans have about how they're owed the books and all that, but at the same time seeing him say he's working on like 8 TV shows it's like come on man.
  • All the ChickensAll the Chickens Birmingham, AL
    edited May 22
    For the first time in a long time,  today GRRM has cornered himself by saying he will be done by a specific date:

    http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/21/thanks-new-zealand/

    He says that he is visiting NZ in Summer 2020 for WorldCon and HUGO Awards- a year from now. 

    Then he says this:

    As for finishing my book… I fear that New Zealand would distract me entirely too much.   Best leave me here in Westeros for the nonce.   But I tell you this — if I don’t have THE WINDS OF WINTER in hand when I arrive in New Zealand for worldcon, you have here my formal written permission to imprison me in a small cabin on White Island, overlooking that lake of sulfuri acid, until I'm done.  Just so long as the acrid fumes do not screw up my old DOS word processor, I’ll be fine.
    PeggyB
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