HBO's Euphoria

JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
Is anybody watching?  I just caught the first episode and it's got a lot of promise.  Here's the premise, from Google:

An American adaptation of the Israeli show of the same name, "Euphoria" follows the troubled life of 17-year-old Rue, a drug addict fresh from rehab with no plans to stay clean. Circling in Rue's orbit are Jules, a transgender girl searching for where she belongs; Nate, a jock whose anger issues mask sexual insecurities; Chris, a football star who finds the adjustment from high school to college harder than expected; Cassie, whose sexual history continues to dog her; and Kat, a body-conscious teen exploring her sexuality. As the classmates struggle to make sense of their futures, the series tackles the teenage landscape of substance-enhanced parties and anxiety-ridden day-to-day life with empathy and candor.

The show is pretty overtly sexual, and does not shy away from showing nudity of all types.  @A_Ron_Hubbard This includes erect male penises.  The first episode had a ton of male nudity on display.  In fact, the New York Times claimed it was "Miles and miles of penises, in locker rooms, video chats, selfies and grainy home videos."

The transgender character is the screen-acting debut of transgender model Hunter Schafer, who easily had the two strongest and most uncomfortable scenes.  I think she will be the breakout star of the show.

This show tackles a lot of issues involving teens and sexuality/gender/drug abuse/body image.  The actors are all over the age of 18, but the naked characters they play are not, which has stirred up some controversy.  If that is not something you are comfortable viewing, you might want to pass.
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  • Garthgou81Garthgou81 Placerville, CA
    Man, I am torn on this show. I watched it last night. Overall I really liked it. But at times it felt like it was going for shock factor and I wish they would have toned some of that stuff down. Granted I am not a teenager these days and maybe that was a very accurate depiction of what it is like to be in high school currently. If so, god help us. I'd recommend folks watching if they are interested. The first episode is real strong, but it does not shy away from...well anything. To the point that HBO has a warning before the episode starts. If you are on the fence about addiction issues, sexual trauma, nudity, etc. maybe find something else to watch. This was one of the most graphic things I've seen on TV. 
  •   @A_Ron_Hubbard This includes erect male penises.  
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  • MattyWeavesMattyWeaves Mid-State New York
    It was like the movie Kids had a baby with the UK versions of Skins, set it in California, and added a dash of "what's really going to piss off every conservative in the world?"

    Jokes aside, it was really good and I had a ton of conflicting emotions ranging from feeling old to sad to happy to scared. Then my wife pointed out this is the generation my nieces belong to and them drinking and smoking at an early age like it's nothing makes more sense.
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    edited June 19
    gguenot said:
      @A_Ron_Hubbard This includes erect male penises.  
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    In my 4 years of being a Baldmove member this is the hardest I’ve ever laughed at a comment. 
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  • It was definitely an interesting episode and it certainly has my attention.  I'd be curious to know how readily attainable drugs like what they are doing in the show are for high school age kids in what I assume is California.  I'm in Minnesota and I'm sure these kinds of things do happen on the down low, but I feel like this is something that would rarely happen here so I'm curious as to what someone that lives in California or somewhere this is more likely to be possible thinks of the show and how realistic it is with drug availability.  I probably sound extremely naive but I've never been one that puts myself in places where drugs are available so my personal knowledge on the topic is next to nothing.  
    majjam0770
  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    I grew up in rural Georgia.  While I wasn't running with the crowd in school, I was definitely aware of the availability of drugs.  Marijuana, cocaine, methamphetamine, opiates, heroin, psilocybin (shrooms), LSD, xanax, and adderall where all available to those who were looking for them.  This was not in Atlanta, but in the suburbs.  The school I went to was the brand new high school built in the more affluent part of town.  My sister went to the older high school that was districted into housing less affluent students, and I believe they had similar offerings.
    Mofojones333
  • Hatorian said:
    gguenot said:
      @A_Ron_Hubbard This includes erect male penises.  
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    In my 4 years of being a Baldmove member this is the hardest I’ve ever laughed at a comment. 
    @JoshTheBlack set me up with the Alley-Oop
    Hatorian
  • I grew up in rural Georgia.  While I wasn't running with the crowd in school, I was definitely aware of the availability of drugs.  Marijuana, cocaine, methamphetamine, opiates, heroin, psilocybin (shrooms), LSD, xanax, and adderall where all available to those who were looking for them.  This was not in Atlanta, but in the suburbs.  The school I went to was the brand new high school built in the more affluent part of town.  My sister went to the older high school that was districted into housing less affluent students, and I believe they had similar offerings.
    I came of age in suburban Iowa and, while I didn’t regularly imbibe, I knew of least a dozen people who dealt weed at one level or another and I know that at least a handful of them worked with suppliers who could get them whatever substance they wanted.

    I often though how irionic it was that I could more easily get my hands on some pot than on a six pack of beer.
  • redlancerredlancer Seattle
    I'm glad I was able to get to adulthood just before the time of "we can medicate any emotion out of your child you need us to" era. 

    Fortunately we seem to have also (I hope) for the most part moved past the indiscriminate behavioral medicating of our young ones.

  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    I grew up in rural Georgia.  While I wasn't running with the crowd in school, I was definitely aware of the availability of drugs.  Marijuana, cocaine, methamphetamine, opiates, heroin, psilocybin (shrooms), LSD, xanax, and adderall where all available to those who were looking for them.  This was not in Atlanta, but in the suburbs.  The school I went to was the brand new high school built in the more affluent part of town.  My sister went to the older high school that was districted into housing less affluent students, and I believe they had similar offerings.
    My high school and college years were around 1998 to 2006. Everyone of those drugs except heroin was easily accessible in rural Illinois. Heroin only exploded on the scene and became an epidemic after “the war on terror”. I’m not trying to be a conspiracy theorist but if I drew a graph of heroin availability it would easily coincide with the US involvement in Afghanistan(largest poppy producing country on the planet). By the mid 2000s after years in Afghanistan Heroin was as easy to find as marijuana. 
    Elisa
  • FWIW I saw an article in NYTimes stating that the current crop of teens are being called “the cautious generation” as these behaviors of hard drug use, teen pregnancies, and risky sex(or any sex in high school) are dropping consistently over the past couple decades and are at an all time low. The article was in response  to this show.

    Sadly anxiety and related mental disorders are on the rise as well as teen suicide rate. The article was not sure what the drivers were but suggested increased school shootings, stress about climate change, the internet providing outlets and distractions from former more destructive behaviors. 

    My daughter is 17 and I have not watched Euphoria yet because I don’t want that image of high school in my head but have been reading about the show. I imagine there are kids acting the way they are portrayed in the show but it is an extreme example. 





    gjames80
  • My alternate conspiracy theory is that the resurgence in heroin use following the introduction and heavy marketing of OxyContin in the late 90s. Probably a bit of both with resurgent demand from opioid pain medication misuse and new supply lines opened by the logistics of the war on terror.
    Hatorianken hale
  • redlancerredlancer Seattle
    edited June 24
    LordBy said:
    My alternate conspiracy theory is that the resurgence in heroin use following the introduction and heavy marketing of OxyContin in the late 90s. 

     I don't think that's in the realm of conspiracy. Lots of big Pharma companies getting sued to hell and back for marketing the bejezus outa Oxy and it's derivatives while the whole time knowing this was likely the outcome. Essentially just a wash-rinse-repeat of the tobacco companies knowing smoking kills you (duh) but saying that's not true to avoid any kind of repercussions.
  • MattyWeavesMattyWeaves Mid-State New York
    This show is mesmerizing and I'm loving it way more than I thought I would. I'm really intrigued by all the characters and their faults, and I'm not really sure where any of it is going.

    Sadly I had this weird feeling this will be a one season show. I hope not, but once the initial buzz has worn off, I'm not sure how many people will stay on board.

    On the topic of teens, I know my nieces, 18 and 17, have been smoking pot/drinking for at least the last 3-4 years, and now vaping, and they've had multiple boyfriends over the years, which... I'll leave that there.

    They're pretty open with us, so I don't think they've done anything worse, but I wouldn't be completely surprised. One of them has also been an varying types of anxiety medication since middle school as well.

    So while not as extreme, I think there is a lot of accuracy in this show so far.
    Elisa
  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    As an uber driver that tends to work Friday and Saturday afternoons through late night in Atlanta, I can tell you that at least some percentage of the high-school aged teens are still partying hard.  The things I overhear keep me shook.  This past weekend I picked up a group of 4 I would estimate to be 15-16 who had clearly been drinking and smelled like that loud lettuce.  Two young ladies and two young men.  They were talking about the party they had just left and discussing who had hooked up with whom, and the particularly scandalous actions of a young female not present in the vehicle.  It was all rather salacious, but other than the intoxication could all have been bluster. 
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    As an uber driver that tends to work Friday and Saturday afternoons through late night in Atlanta, I can tell you that at least some percentage of the high-school aged teens are still partying hard.  The things I overhear keep me shook.  This past weekend I picked up a group of 4 I would estimate to be 15-16 who had clearly been drinking and smelled like that loud lettuce.  Two young ladies and two young men.  They were talking about the party they had just left and discussing who had hooked up with whom, and the particularly scandalous actions of a young female not present in the vehicle.  It was all rather salacious, but other than the intoxication could all have been bluster. 
    at least they are being smart and not driving....
    JoshTheBlack
  • Discussion on this show died off, but since I've just watched the available episodes, I'm going to revive it:

    I don't know what to think about this show.  What is it, who is it for?  There are these plot threads that explore deep social and emotional issues and the show feels like it really has something TO SAY, but then the same amount of screen time is given to blonde-girl and college-jock's relationship status and I'm like, "what the fuck is this, the CW?"  I don't know if this is an insightful show ABOUT teenagery or just an entertaining show FOR teenagers. 

    It's almost like (and I'm being very fucking generous here) the show is written to model a teenager's mind, like how every little tiff with a friend or significant other feels super-important, and then the shit that should have you screaming and running away in hindsight just feels like another awkward experience to shrug off, in that moment.  I doubt that's what they're really going for, though.  My other complaint is that while Jules is presented as the standard-manic-pixie-dream-girl there's really nothing about her character that's super compelling or interesting.  Rue says, constantly and in different ways, "I've never met anyone like Jules," but as a viewer I'm wondering why.  I mean, Jules acts pretty much exactly like every other teenage character on the show, so the stated fascination with her doesn't feel true.

    All that said, it's still interesting, has pretty great music scattered throughout and some visually stunning scenes so, yeah, I guess it's worth watching.  Oh, and as a continuation high school teacher in California I can confirm, sadly, that none of this is really exaggerated or fictional (except for that ten-year-old drug dealer; that's dumb).
    awookieeDoubleA_Ron
  • edited July 27
    @ken hale I'm glad you said something about this show. I've been avoiding this thread for a couple weeks because I fell behind in the series after the first 2 episodes and finally got caught up just now.

    I can't agree with you more regarding the confusion on what this shows purpose is. You worded that extremely well and I'm in the same position as you are. Is this show actually trying to show/teach something or is it just a CW teenage drama show that happened to find it's home on HBO and can provide the type of content that can't be shown on non premium network TV. 

    Part of me thinks it's just trying to be just another teen drama show with Cassie and Chris. Then I feel like it's trying to be mainstream and progressive with Jules and everything she's going through. Rue obviously touches on the addiction side of everything and Nate and Maddy on the abusive relationship side of things. It's got a lot going on and it's not exactly clear what it's trying to show/say/prove but it has been green lit for a 2nd season already.

    In regards to Rue's obsession with Jules, that most definitely was addressed this last episode where roles were reversed and Rue had to watch out for Jules well-being and that was eye opening for her. I think she realized she was overly obsessed with her and it wasn't healthy. The main reason I think Rue was so infatuated with Jules from the get go was that instant connection she felt to her and just how much different she is compared to everyone else she's been around.

    I know it's a fictional show but I want to give a huge props to Fez for doing what he did to Rue and shut her out when she was begging to get drugs. That was a very powerful scene and I've never been one to put myself around drugs at all but I can imagine that would be an extremely difficult situation to be in. Also props to Fez for what he did when his creepy ass supplier came over when Rue was there. That was probably the most uncomfortable I've been watching a fictional show in a very long time, possibly ever. 

    I absolutely loved Rue name dropping the entire cast from The Wire. I just recently watched The Wire for the first time and absolutely loved it. That was such an amazing scene.

    Did you know Drake is an executive producer of the show?
    ken hale
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    My thoughts were it was originally a thought provoking view of teenage life. But after watching every episode it’s clearly just a souped up steroids version. 
    gjames80
  • NoelNoel Dallas, TX
    I don’t remember hard drugs being used like that when I was at parties in high school. Alcohol was in abundance and casual marijuana use but no one was openly doing lines of coke. Maybe some in the restroom but coke isn’t my style so I could’ve just been blinded to the whole experience. 

    The sex is probably closer to what I remember though. I was pretty good at sports so I would get invited to the “cool” parties and I remember being pretty surprised at how many people were in bedrooms or closets just going at it. Definitely had the asshole with his shirt off. And definitely had random fights breaking out for whatever reason.
    Hatorian
  • @awookiee Regarding the Rue-Jules dynamic/attraction, you made a really good analytical point about the latest episode, one that I totally missed!
    awookiee
  • Keep looking, you mook.  I'm Morgan fuckin' Freeman and this is the beginning of the third act.


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  • edited July 29
    Damn the ending to that episode.  I feel horrible for Fez and Ashtray, Fez was just trying to help out his "family" but definitely went about it the wrong way.  Someone as power hungry and has the ability to back it up as Nate isn't someone to fuck with in that way.  His dad is clearly one of the more powerful people in the neighborhood and has some pull although at the same time not enough pull to get a table at that restaurant when his son was tagged with the abuse/assault situation so maybe I'm overestimating it.  I hope the world comes down on him next episode as it's the last episode of the season but I don't think that's going to happen. 

    At first when he called the cops I thought he was narking out Jules.  Fez is in some serious shit and I would assume is looking at some serious jail/prison time.  This show is most definitely trying to balance out the tits to dick ratio that game of thrones skewed towards the tits direction lol.  Between Chernobyl's miners, the locker room scene from this, and Rue's presentation on terrifying vs horrifying I would think it's gotta be getting close. 
  • kuman07kuman07 Kansas City
    awookiee said:
    Damn the ending to that episode.  I feel horrible for Fez and Ashtray, Fez was just trying to help out his "family" but definitely went about it the wrong way.  Someone as power hungry and has the ability to back it up as Nate isn't someone to fuck with in that way.  His dad is clearly one of the more powerful people in the neighborhood and has some pull although at the same time not enough pull to get a table at that restaurant when his son was tagged with the abuse/assault situation so maybe I'm overestimating it.  I hope the world comes down on him next episode as it's the last episode of the season but I don't think that's going to happen. 

    At first when he called the cops I thought he was narking out Jules.  Fez is in some serious shit and I would assume is looking at some serious jail/prison time.  This show is most definitely trying to balance out the tits to dick ratio that game of thrones skewed towards the tits direction lol.  Between Chernobyl's miners, the locker room scene from this, and Rue's presentation on terrifying vs horrifying I would think it's gotta be getting close. 
    I think they are setting up Nate to maybe take some sort of fall in the season finale next episode. He has been messing with people who either aren't in a position or don't have it in them to hit back at him, and Fez is certainly more than capable of hitting back. My guess is Fez is somehow able to avoid any trouble with the the cops the next episode. But the repercussions of him dumping all that supply in the toilet is going to be big trouble for him because his face tat contact drug supplier basically pushed all that extra shit on him earlier in the episode and fronted him for it since he didn't have the money to cover it. Now what?
  • kuman07 said:
    awookiee said:
    Damn the ending to that episode.  I feel horrible for Fez and Ashtray, Fez was just trying to help out his "family" but definitely went about it the wrong way.  Someone as power hungry and has the ability to back it up as Nate isn't someone to fuck with in that way.  His dad is clearly one of the more powerful people in the neighborhood and has some pull although at the same time not enough pull to get a table at that restaurant when his son was tagged with the abuse/assault situation so maybe I'm overestimating it.  I hope the world comes down on him next episode as it's the last episode of the season but I don't think that's going to happen. 

    At first when he called the cops I thought he was narking out Jules.  Fez is in some serious shit and I would assume is looking at some serious jail/prison time.  This show is most definitely trying to balance out the tits to dick ratio that game of thrones skewed towards the tits direction lol.  Between Chernobyl's miners, the locker room scene from this, and Rue's presentation on terrifying vs horrifying I would think it's gotta be getting close. 
    I think they are setting up Nate to maybe take some sort of fall in the season finale next episode. He has been messing with people who either aren't in a position or don't have it in them to hit back at him, and Fez is certainly more than capable of hitting back. My guess is Fez is somehow able to avoid any trouble with the the cops the next episode. But the repercussions of him dumping all that supply in the toilet is going to be big trouble for him because his face tat contact drug supplier basically pushed all that extra shit on him earlier in the episode and fronted him for it since he didn't have the money to cover it. Now what?
    Yeah, I just feel like Nate's going to make it out of this season without any major repercussions but I could also see something like what you mentioned happening.  It has already been green lit for a season 2 which I'm happy about because the cinematography and the way they include music into the show is absolutely gorgeous.  It definitely pushes the boundaries in a good way in my opinion.  I still think the coolest shot was when Rue had just taken the drugs and she was walking down the hallway and as the camera spun, she stumbled up the wall and onto the ceiling and onto the other wall and back to the actual ground.  Just a lot of great camera work going on throughout this entire series. 
  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    Jules is Rue's new addiction.  She's off the opiates on on the Jules.  That's the fascination.  
    awookiee
  • So going in to the last episode of the season on Sunday lots of open threads and theories..

    1.  Who is the intro going to be covering??? My guess is Fez or Lexi (Cassie's sister, Rue's "old" best friend).
    2.  What is going to be the fallout of Nate calling the cops of Fez?  Is Mouse going to kill Fez because of all the flushed drugs? Is Mouse going to go after Nate because he was the one that narked on Fez?
    3.   Nate has wide open possibilities regarding all the bad shit he's done and what comes back to bite him in the ass. 
    4.   Is Cassie going to keep the baby or get an abortion?  I feel like she's going to keep it because it adds more drama for the show.
    5.   What's going to happen between Rue and Jules?
    6.   Is the creeper that was watching Kat with a black screen going to be revealed.

    I'm really looking forward to the finale and seeing what of these get answered and what gets left open for next season.  Not sure that this is much of an issue but should we throw a "spoiler" warning in the title of the thread?
    Noel
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    Well, that was pretty bad. Not much happened, and what did happen wasn't enough to keep me sticking around.
  • While I will say I was disappointed with the finale the show itself was interesting enough for me to come back next season.  The obscure camera angles and the way music was included with the show was unique enough even with a bummer of a finale episode.  I'm pissed they left Fez's storyline completely on a cliffhanger but it is what it is.  
    bbordFreddy
  • fidozfidoz Houston
    I was pretty underwhelmed by the finale. I'll be back for season 2 but not with the excitement I was hoping for going in to last night's episode. 
    bbord
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