712 - "Lost Horizon"

Director: Phil Abraham
Writer: Semi Chellas and Matthew Weiner

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  • aberry89aberry89 California
    I felt very disjointed and weird while watching this episode, maybe I am supposed to...everything we know is being broken up and dissolved into something else. Ehhh how many episodes TILL ITS ALL OVER??!!!


    Strange episode, but all worth it for this shot. 

     image

    Fuck yeah. 


    hypergenesbsteph_bMichelle
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    Don's really losing it. More so than usual. Oh well, the more Cooper hallucinations the merrier, I say.
    steph_b
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    Bit of a disappointing mess after last week's brilliant episode.
  • edited May 2015
    Weiner seems to be doggedly following the inevitability of these characters without giving a single #$*@ about the desires of the audience. This may be the last time that this will -- or, perhaps more accurately, be allowed to -- happen on a multi-season, somewhat serialized television show. Ever. While the viewing experience may not be as thrilling for some in the moment as parts of "Time & Life" or episodes past, I found myself dumbfounded with awe and enjoyment. Likely in the minority here...thought this was a masterpiece of an episode.

    And Don thumbing his nose at McCann and advertising would be a very satisfying coda...but hopefully his existential meanderings eventually lead him back to his kids.

    - Peggy roller skating to Roger's organ music!!
    - Joan is in love with Don Corleone apparently
    steph_b
  • Don checking the structural integrity of his office window...either foreshadowing of his fall to come or the weiner being a troll
    steph_b
  • kross613 said:

    Don checking the structural integrity of his office window...either foreshadowing of his fall to come or the weiner being a troll

    I took that as Weiner being a 110% troll.
    steph_b
  • Weiner seems to be doggedly following the inevitability of these characters without giving a single #$*@ about the desires of the audience. This may be the last time that this will -- or, perhaps more accurately, be allowed to -- happen on a multi-season, somewhat serialized television show. Ever. While the viewing experience may not be as thrilling for some in the moment as parts of "Time & Life" or episodes past, I found myself dumbfounded with awe and enjoyment. Likely in the minority here...thought this was a masterpiece of an episode.


    I totally agree. I absolutely loved this episode. Don referencing 'On the Road' brought up all these crazy possibilities in my head. He looked like Neal Cassady driving his very own "Further".

    And ending it with "Space Oddity" was the icing on the cake. "Here am I floating round in a tin can." Awesome. I thought they would use it to end "Waterloo", with all the focus on the moon landing, but it totally works here.

    This got me really excited for the last two.
    The_Third_Man
  • aberry89 said:



    Strange episode, but all worth it for this shot. 



    Fuck yeah. 


    Fuck yeah is right! I was hoping someone would post a gif of that. Thank you!
    Michelle
  • edited May 2015
    AntManBee said:

    Weiner seems to be doggedly following the inevitability of these characters without giving a single #$*@ about the desires of the audience. This may be the last time that this will -- or, perhaps more accurately, be allowed to -- happen on a multi-season, somewhat serialized television show. Ever. While the viewing experience may not be as thrilling for some in the moment as parts of "Time & Life" or episodes past, I found myself dumbfounded with awe and enjoyment. Likely in the minority here...thought this was a masterpiece of an episode.


    I totally agree. I absolutely loved this episode. Don referencing 'On the Road' brought up all these crazy possibilities in my head. He looked like Neal Cassady driving his very own "Further".

    And ending it with "Space Oddity" was the icing on the cake. "Here am I floating round in a tin can." Awesome. I thought they would use it to end "Waterloo", with all the focus on the moon landing, but it totally works here.

    This got me really excited for the last two.
    Yeah! for the 'On the Road' reference...makes me think this whole thing may end with Don either on a plane or in a car just traveling off somewhere and leaving everything behind: his name, his job, his kids (would be sad)...his life. While perhaps a bit cliched, it would be another 'beginning' and we know he loves those. That Sheraton-beach-pitch/ad from a couple seasons ago may be it as well.
    AntManBee
  • The Weiner has now entered Chekhov's Roller Skates into long list of TV tropes. I really enjoyed this episode. Bad ass Peggy with the tentacle porn tucked under her arm was priceless.
    AntManBeesteph_b
  • aberry89aberry89 California
    I can really relate to Don's driving away from shit he doesn't want to do. Or more specifically, wanting to control something when he's in a situation he feel like he can't. He's used to control those board meetings, now he feels he's just a cog in a machine with no real power. 

    When i was in college, if I woke up feeling like shit, already late for class, I would go drive the only place i wouldn't get lost - the coast. It was one way, you could go north or south, either way it was a beautiful drive. Being alone, having the independence to feel like you could go anywhere. It always soothed and centered me. You work out shit in your head during those times. Don's doing the same thing, and I have NO idea where he's gunna land. 

    I wish he wouldn't have gone after Diana again. I wanted to just see Don on the road, with more hallucintions or Don making pit stops in remote places. 
    steph_b
  • edited May 2015
    aberry89 said:

    I wish he wouldn't have gone after Diana again. I wanted to just see Don on the road, with more hallucintions or Don making pit stops in remote places. 
    I think you might get that wish. Diana has always been just a macguffin in order to prod Don along this path...whatever it is. And since the Twin Cities are west of Wisconsin...California may yet be the ultimate destination geographically speaking. Metaphorically...'the jumping off point'.
    steph_b
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    edited May 2015
    In regards to AdamX6000's fan fiction (last piece of feedback on the cast), he's on to something here. Not only does it tie in airplanes (Remember the story arc about dropping American Airlines after the crash of American Airlines Flight 1? Two of the planes used in 9/11 were AA.), but also would explain the opening credits. Instead of jumping out the window in a preemptive suicide, Draper jumps out in a fiery jet fuel induced self-mercy suicide. Even more interesting is how to this day there are still over a 1,000 victims who haven't been identified; this plays well with the theme of Draper/Whitman's running conflict of identity. Also, the biggest publicity stunt the terrorists ever pulled was the 9/11 attacks. If anything Don will have to tip his hat to their PR department as he's reading the 9/11 Commission Report in purgatory. He literally dies as part of the moment that skyrockets terrorism into the hearts and minds of the entire country (if not the world).
  • davemcbdavemcb Melbourne
    As far as someone taking a header out the window there were a couple of pieces of foreshadowing

    • Don testing the window
    • Roger playing ominous phantom of the opera type music in the empty SC&P offices
    • Roger telling Peggy about his unit in the navy going swimming but he couldn't because he wouldn't jump off the 2 story boat but mentioning that he needed to be pushed
    • referring to the SC&P offices as a ship
    I thought that Roger might go out a window etc and I thought it might have come if Peggy had never turned up at SC&P
  • On the "Previously On" before the episode started they showed a scene from Season 1, Episode 9 "Shoot".  Roger says to Don, "I've worked with a lot of
    men like you, and if you had to choose a place to die, it would be in
    the middle of a pitch" to which Don replies, "I've done that.  I want to
    do something else".  That seems to be what is going on here.  Don is done with advertising / business and now is finally trying to figure out what the something else is going to be. 
    steph_bpavlovsbellAmbitiousBukky
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    @GrimyLittleMitch  That's what I've been hoping for, so if that happens, that would be lovely.
    GrimyLittleMitch
  • steph_bsteph_b Austin
    Why cant I erase the first scene of the Boardwalk Empire finale from my mind when I think about where Don is going? Will he swim out as far as he can go? 

    I loved this episode so much and totally took the disjointed feeling as intentional to match the mood of all the characters.

    I recently started a new job after being at the same place for 8 years and that weird lost disjointed feeling was so relatable. 
    hypergenesbksa1001
  • I had to look up 'upper decker'.  Now I can't get it out of my 'minds-eye' - thanks ARon.
    ksa1001
  • MichelleMichelle California
    edited May 2015
    Peggy's entrance at McCann totally made the entire episode (second to her roller-skating to Roger's organ music).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rErCajCaQ_8


    Peggy Olson:  Not a single fuck left to give.  Love it.
    AmbitiousBukkyhypergenesb
  • Have a very strong feeling that Don will never interact on-screen with the other main characters again...that Sally at the bus station, Roger at the bar, Joan in the elevator, Betty at her house, Ted in the conference room...that's it. What was his last interaction with Peggy? The interview for 'the forecast'?
    steph_b
  • edited May 2015
    A.Ron, I am so happy that you'll be guest hosting a Gilmore Girls podcast. That's going to be amazing! I cannot wait.

    By the way, my husband loves Gilmore Girls, too! I got him hooked on it by buying the first few seasons in German when we were in Frankfurt a few years ago.
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    Anyone who talks shit about GG just hasn't seen it.  It's funny, the dialog is great, it's very Joss Whedony without the sci-fi / fantasty trappings.  I like how it deals with intelligent adolescents in an intelligent way.  I'm super pumped to be on the show.  I was talking with Celeste about maybe doing a once a season appearence type deal, if they'll have me back on, that is, haha.
    schadenfreudianslip
  • steph_bsteph_b Austin
    edited May 2015
    @The_Third_Man I totally agree. I would not be surprised at all if Don never goes back to NYC. And frankly, I feel pretty good about where we have left everybody. 

    The closer we get to the finale the more I am changing my mind about how I would like to see it end. I am increasingly more inclined to want a Sopranos-esque open-ended finale. I love these characters so much that I want the opportunity to write my own ending in my head. Leave them suspended in time for us to carry with us always. I want them like Jesse Pinkman - running around out there somewhere in the wide world of my imagined desires for him. 
    The_Third_ManhypergenesbA_Ron_HubbardschadenfreudianslipAmbitiousBukkyksa1001
  • steph_b said:

    The closer we get to the finale the more I am changing my mind about how I would like to see it end. I am increasingly more inclined to want a Sopranos-esque open-ended finale. I love these characters so much that I want the opportunity to wrote my own ending in my head. Leave them suspended in time for us to carry with us always. I want them like Jesse Pinkman - running around out there somewhere in the wide world of my imagined desires for him. 
    yep
    schadenfreudianslip
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