SONY Edges MARVEL Out of Future SPIDER-MAN Movies - Report
https://www.newsarama.com/46597-sony-edges-marvel-out-of-future-spider-man-movies-report.html?utm_source=notification
This could have massive effects on the MCU moving forward if this isn't sorted out.
I think that this is all negotiating moves by Sony to get a sweeter deal and this will get handled eventually and life will move on.
However, if they don't, its going to be awfully hard to sell an Avengers franchise with its biggest stars/characters (Cap, IM and Thor) MIA without Spider-Man to anchor it.
I don't think subs for those characters will work long term for Avengers films. It never has in the comics, but that is just my opinion.
Marvel might want to think about speeding up those X-Men and FF reboot plans and possibly face the idea of recasting the big 3.
It will be interesting to follow.
This could have massive effects on the MCU moving forward if this isn't sorted out.
I think that this is all negotiating moves by Sony to get a sweeter deal and this will get handled eventually and life will move on.
However, if they don't, its going to be awfully hard to sell an Avengers franchise with its biggest stars/characters (Cap, IM and Thor) MIA without Spider-Man to anchor it.
I don't think subs for those characters will work long term for Avengers films. It never has in the comics, but that is just my opinion.
Marvel might want to think about speeding up those X-Men and FF reboot plans and possibly face the idea of recasting the big 3.
It will be interesting to follow.
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The deal they had was still super sweet for Disney. They were basically getting free money and creative control over a license they didn't have and have no chance of getting, and they got to throw him in their movies.
Tell Disney to fuck off. Make the next Spider-Man without them and ONLY have Venom. (Act like the venom movie never happened). Then easy sequel is maximum Carnage. Then you spend the next 10 years building up the sinister 6 and boom. You have your own mini spider universe with at least a good 5-6 movies in 10 years. And you get an epic climax of Spider-Man battling the Sinister 6. All probably making a billion if done right.
Spider-Man was most likely planned to be the POV and anchor character for the next major storyline like Cap and Tony where for the first 20 plus movies. Without him, they really need to go ahead and cast Wolverine and introduce him into the MCU sooner rather than later. I like the FF, but I don't know if they have as much star power as the X-Men characters do.
Black Panther is very popular, but I don't know if he can pull the rest of the MCU along with him and I don't see Carol Danvers or Falcon/Bucky as great answers either. Neither of the actors playing Bucky or Falcon have proven they can carry a movie or they would have by now with all the exposure the MCU movies have provided.
I get what you are saying about them having lots of characters, but I don't know if anyone is excited about seeing a Great Lakes Avengers movie headlined with C or D list characters for more than one movie. GofG was a surprise, but you can't expect to catch lightning in a bottle consistently.
I just think you'll have increasingly diminished stakes the more you move away from the important main characters, but that is just me.
If they lose Spiderman for good (which I seriously doubt really happens, Disney will cave in), they should consider rebooting after this next phase and recast the core avengers and start from scratch with the Avengers, FF and X-Men all together from the beginning IMO.
I think Ironman, Captain America, and Thor were C-lister's until MCU. GoG likely the D-lister characters. Not long ago nobody was excited about movies with those characters, let alone huge 10-year 20-movie story arcs. If they can transform them into the characters that we feel we have to have in the movies/plot going forward than they can do it with any character. I remember after being blown away by Ironman they announced that they were making Captain America and Thor movies next. At the time I thought "well, that sounds kinda dumb, so much for that..."
With the arguably A-list characters on the way in the form of X-men and FF I now have little doubt Marvel studios can keep our attention. As mentioned by others, it's not the characters as much as the casting of the right actor and the right story/material. So far Marvel has mostly nailed it to perfection.
Not to mention someone needs to get Doctor Doom up and running, talk about A#1 villains.
I don't deny that I am concerned that if this completely falls through that Sony will muck up the live action Spider-Man films but I also don't blame them for not taking the deal even though Disney was also offering to pay 50% of the production costs of future solo entries.
Spider-Man, FF, Hulk and Cap were always their most recognizable heroes until the Clairmont/Byrne era X-Men and then those characters took off.
Again, I hope this news is real and not just a public negotiation. I really think it’s win-win for both franchises.
From Disney's side, they were getting 50 million in basically free money and getting to use an extremely popular character that they don't own the rights to in their most important movies. It doesn't get much more greedy than that.
I don't know how you can say their contribution is superfluous. The movies were made by Sony, the movies were financed by Sony, the movies were distributed by Sony, and Sony had complete creative control.
Marvel will figure out how to use their other characters to make entertaining movies so it’s not like it’s the end of the MCU or anything. MCU has brought in >$22billion in worldwide box office since 2008 so Marvel certainly brings something of value to the table. Association with the MCU also pays dividends in DVD/digital and broadcast/streaming revenue as well especially with the new Disney+ platform coming. Big risk for Sony to go it alone, but potential big reward if they can treat the property right.
as others mentioned Disney is getting a hell of a deal. being able to put Spiderman into the MCU was huge. all they had to do was provide the story while Sony picked up everything else. And honestly the story for both Spidey's sort of sucked. the first one fucked the timeline up and the second was a horrible villian reveal.
Ending the partnership with Disney might mean the next movie doesn't get to a billion, but it'll still have a shot. There's also pretty much zero chance it makes less than 700 million with the momentum Spider-Man has right now. So even if it's the worst-case scenario and it only makes 700 million, that's much, much better than doing a 50/50 partnership with Disney. Spider-Man is by far Sony's most profitable franchise and it would be silly to split it. It'd be like Disney agreeing to a 50/50 split with someone else for the next Star Wars trilogy.
I wish them the best and I hope they don’t fall into the hole that X-Men, and to some extent DC, has worked themselves into. Holland is great, no actor can carry substandard scripts/direction or carry a franchise through inconsistent creative direction.
The proposed deal was 50/50 split both profit wise and cost wise. Disney would still own the merch rights, which they own when they brought Marvel as a whole. Sony opt out of these rights for some reason when they brought Spiderman.
I don't think Spiderman movie without Disney would do well in the box office due to fan backlash. There will be consist reminder that Spiderman isn't in the MCU with 3 MCU Movies a year and Disney+ shows. MCU won't be able to reference Spiderman and vice-versa. I think it's irresponsible from storytelling to come up with a deal. MCU has plan for Spiderman from the ending to Far From Home, making him one of the core avengers characters, and introducing 2/6 sinister six members. There is speculation that Miles Morales will be introduce later in the MCU due to Donald Glover's character in Homecoming and that Mysterio didn't really die.
https://variety.com/2015/film/news/details-spider-man-appear-in-sony-and-marvel-movies-1201429039/
Something about their disagreement doesn't make a lot of sense. Considering how prominently they've been building Spider-Man up to be a focal point of the new MCU, including rumours that Norman Osborne could be the next big bad, it doesn't really make sense for Disney to try and strong-arm Sony at this point when they already had an amazing deal. Besides the fans, Disney is by far the biggest loser in the breakdown of the partnership.
If I had to guess, I bet Disney wanted Spider-Man and the Spider-Man villains to be a major part of the MCU and were looking to take over production of everything Spider-Man and wanted to relegate Sony to nothing more than an investor.
Or they can give it a go w/o a major tentpole hero to build their other characters around until they get the X-Men going.
I am very sure this will all get settled and frankly, it's not a bad thing that Disney isn't in complete control of everything.