steph_b, have to disagree with you with regards to AFFC and ADWD. I know a few different people that were reading the GoT books and couldn't make it through AFFC because it was so slow moving and nothing was happening. The only way I made it through was because I "read" the books via audio books and so I was just able to power my way through it. If my only option was physically reading it myself, I wouldn't have survived. There is only so much Brienne wandering through the forrest or Iron Islands politics that I could have took. I know I always thought that AFFC could be summed up in about 2 or 3 tv episodes and ADWD was probably the same (hence I figured there was a good chance that the double D's would pass the books this season). However, at least ADWD gets more interesting towards the end and has something major that happens with Jon getting stabbed. But ultimately books 4 and 5 I thought were just "filler" books.
Book 4 summed up- Cersei is just plotting against Magaery and which eventually results in the walk of shame stuff, Brienne is wandering around until she meets LS, Jamie negotiates a truce in the Riverlands and that's it for him, Sana's storyline does nothing, the Ironborn are just deciding who should be their next leader and what they should do next, the Martells are battling amongst themselves over what to do next, Arya is just training the whole time, and Sam is also just traveling around. I just don't see how this is that exciting, especially when you're coming out of book 3 and everything that transpired once the Red Wedding happened.
Elisa said:I don't think the old lady is a Bolton plant. She is there to show that local people still believe there should always be a Stark in Winterfell. Now Ramsey was mocking Sansa. One of his numerous mental games lol.
I don't think the old lady is a Bolton plant. She is there to show that local people still believe there should always be a Stark in Winterfell. Now Ramsey was mocking Sansa. One of his numerous mental games lol.
ksa1001 said:In that same vein (and sorry if this is a silly question) how is it that Roose knows that Stannis is at the wall and about to march south to take Winterfell exactly?
In that same vein (and sorry if this is a silly question) how is it that Roose knows that Stannis is at the wall and about to march south to take Winterfell exactly?
djhova1 said:Not sure if anyone brought this up already but I watched it again last night and I didn't catch it the first time. Who is sending information about Dany especially to the Wall? That just doesn't make sense to me. Even if that is just general intel why would they send it to the wall? Is there someone else possible spying in Dany's camp? And what's their connection with Maester Amon? Could it be Varys?
Not sure if anyone brought this up already but I watched it again last night and I didn't catch it the first time. Who is sending information about Dany especially to the Wall? That just doesn't make sense to me. Even if that is just general intel why would they send it to the wall? Is there someone else possible spying in Dany's camp? And what's their connection with Maester Amon? Could it be Varys?
I just go with the theory that news spreads. You have people traveling between lands/continents and the people traveling just sort of spread the news and it makes it way. Now, in some cases such as Little Finger and Varys, maybe their intel comes in a little quicker.
As for Roose, I'm sure he has his spies out there as well. As soon as he hears that Stannis is at the Wall, it would make logical sense to assume that Stannis was going to attack the Boltons at Winterfell since the Boltons had aligned themselves with the Lannisters at the Red Wedding. Additionally, even if Roose swore allegiance to Stannis now, Stannis is still going to kill Roose because of the Red Wedding and Roose's involvement in it.
I'm going to a chime in with a vote of support for Dany's storyline in this episode, even if I'm swimming upstream by doing so. She needed to send a message and exert her power, and do so in a way that was more effective than nailing the 143 (or how ever many) Masters to the poles (and just pissing people off) or executing that slave leader and inciting a hiss-fest and mass riot. This one execution by dragonfire showed that 1) she's got dragons (unlike in the book where they disappear) and isn't afraid to use them, 2) she will punish actions against her, unlike the ambiguity that resulted from the earlier capture of that one Son of the Harpy who hid behind the wrong wall, 3) she will do so in way that gets her message clearly to her intended audience, unlike the public execution that confused the former slave population, and 4) she has dragons and isn't afraid to use them (worth repeating. I'm sure Dario would agree). At the risk of being repetitive, what makes her unique isn't her army of Unsullied, its the dragons, and she has been struggling for a way to make them a positive for her, and not a child-and-goat eating negative. I think she succeeded.
Additionally, if you listen to her words during the random-Master-BBQ, she talks about not giving up on her children - disciplining them if necessary, but not giving up. Reading between the lines, that approach seems to have worked with her dragons, since they are much better behaved than the last time we saw them. Regardless, she takes the same approach that she talks about with regard to her "children", and applies it to the Merenese. She disciplines them, but does not give up, and instead renews her commitment to ruling them and/or being their Mhysa, by opening the fighting pits and marrying someone from a leading family.
Viewed in this light, she is learning from her mistakes, and returning to her role as mother - both to the dragons and to the Merenese. Moreover, as others have noted, she gotten the necessary end point of reopening the pits and getting married (since that's where the books take us) through an act of strength, rather than being pushed and acting more in desperation as she does in the books.