MLB 2020

ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
with spring raining starting today, i think it's about time for an MLB 2020 thread! i'll be doing my annual Ferris Bueller Opening Day Off on 3/26, and hopefully will be in attendance for the Astos first regular season road game on 3/30. looking forward to this season!

hey @Noel - y'all got a new fancy stadium this year huh? any plans to checking it out sooner than later?

Michelle
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  • MichelleMichelle California
    edited February 23
    Let's go, Oakland! :star: Oakland Athletics
             


    Chinaski
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    Astros World Champs let’s go!
    MichelleNoelMurderbear
  • MichelleMichelle California
    edited February 23
    I'm ready for a whole lot of this this season.  :)


  • MichelleMichelle California
    cdrive said:
    Astros World Champs let’s go!
    I gotta say, that's some real dedication. :sweat_smile:
    cdriveChinaskiNoel
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    you see what Brett Anderson said when asked if the A's cheated? :D

    "I know the A's weren't cheating," Anderson told The Athletic. "Because, one, I don't know if they could afford it. And to relay from f---ing 300 yards away in the video room? What were we going to do, get some vendor to throw some popcorn up in the air, or something? It's too f---ing far to relay something.

    "The lights go out, it's a curveball," Anderson said. "If there's a sewage backup, it's a fastball."

    Michelle
  • NoelNoel Dallas, TX
    Chinaski said:
    hey @Noel - y'all got a new fancy stadium this year huh? any plans to checking it out sooner than later?
    Later, unfortunately. My work schedule has changed over the last few months so it’s gonna be tough for me to get out in time for first pitch at 7:05.  :/

    But if all goes well, I’ll be at a game around a month or so into the season. Sucks that I probably won’t be there for first time the Astros are in town. I also want to see what my more baseball-dedicated friends say about it. Best places to sit, areas to avoid and best food options etc.
  • thoughts on how well Betts will do with his new team?
  • mjmullady said:
    thoughts on how well Betts will do with his new team?

    I think he'll do decent.  Maybe some of his power numbers go down from playing half his games at Fenway.  But whether he's going to be worth the contract he's looking for, that remains to be seen to me and this year might say a lot about it.
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28948489/mets-noah-syndergaard-expected-undergo-tommy-john-surgery

    Man this is why you can’t build a team around pitching. The Mets arguable had one of the best rotations since the 90s braves with Degrom, Syndergard, Harvey and Matz. When they swept the Cubs in 2015 I thought it was the start of a similar pitching dynasty but nope. Harvey’s arm fell off, Matz hasn’t turned into the pitcher he was prospected to be and Sydergard can’t stay healthy. 

    Meanwhile the Red Sox, Cubs and Astro’s all won WS on the back of position players. Specially the Cubs and Astros who drafted multiple position players with top 5 picks. 

    Obviously you need an Ace as Sherzer proved with the nationals last year. But it’s so hard to not only hit on pitching but stay healthy. 
  • In the end the truth will come out and we will find out that the pandemic was started by the Astros to keep fans this season at away games from taunting them for cheating.

    HatorianMichelleNoel
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    CapeGabe said:
    In the end the truth will come out and we will find out that the pandemic was started by the Astros to keep fans this season at away games from taunting them for cheating.


    CapeGabeChinaskiNoelMichelleHatorian
  • We are so in a simulation. 

  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    i should be tailgating right now, getting ready for Opening Day :(
    Michelle
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    Chinaski said:
    i should be tailgating right now, getting ready for Opening Day :(
     :'(    omg tailgating with some ice cold beers sounds sooooooooo effin good right now!  Just getting an ice cold can of beer tossed your way and cracking it open....BUSCHHHHHHHHHHH   


    ChinaskiMichelle
  • MichelleMichelle California
    Chinaski said:
    i should be tailgating right now, getting ready for Opening Day :(
    Right?!?!??????
    This sucks. :cry:
    Chinaski
  • Teresa from ConcordTeresa from Concord Concord, California
    I think I’m going to pick the best most exciting season for my team and rewatch as if it’s the first time. Of course I’m controlling the outcome because obviously I’ll pick a year we win the World Series!
    Chinaski
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    I think I’m going to pick the best most exciting season for my team and rewatch as if it’s the first time. Of course I’m controlling the outcome because obviously I’ll pick a year we win the World Series!
    Yankees right? i remember they pretty much destroyed everyone the year after i graduated high school, which was the 1998 season.
    Teresa from Concord
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    RIP Astros Legend Jimmy "The Toy Cannon” Wynn.

    Grew up in Cincinnati playing against Roger Staubach in football and Pete Rose in baseball. 

  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    damn. this is a very interesting read. talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place. 

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29161983/passan-20-questions-why-financial-battle-2020-mlb-season-get-really-really-ugly
  • Interesting to read stuff from former players and active players.  Clearly for multiple reasons, it would be great to have some professional sports back in our lives and would be uplifting, but obviously, players are deserving of their compensation as well as they deserve safe conditions to play as well.  Just going to be an interesting battle/decision that is made.

    On a side note, if the season does get cancelled, I really think it's kind of cheap for suspensions and such to be counted.  Suspensions should be enforced once games are actually being played.  At least, that's my opinion.

  • I'm getting less and less optimistic that a season is going to happen this year.  If this all comes down to (mostly) millionaires debating with billionaires about revenue sharing and how much people get paid for a shortened season without fans being present, I think it's going to do tremendous damage to the sport in general from a public opinion.  Especially since hockey appears to be coming back and the NBA seems determined on finishing as well.

    On one hand, I totally get the players needing to fight to keep as much of their salary as possible and also wanting to ensure their own safety, but on the other hand, if you really think about how many people got their salary drastically reduced or completely lost their job, I mean, how can both sides not suck it up and find a reasonable resolution.  If they don't and the media spins this as "fighting over money", how is john or jane doe going to be able to look at a player playing a game and really say that they will continue to support them when they lost their job or were really crippled by this pandemic. 

  • It's funny how we always blame the players but not the owners. You're asking the players to take all the risk and a pay cut? Get real. I'll side with the people who mostly came from poor families and have a very limited window to earn a living (if they are lucky enough to make it in the first place) over billionaires who mostly inherited their wealth. 
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    The players are taking a pretty reasonable pay cut that they already agreed to, the owners are just squeezing them for as much as they can get. Of all the leagues MLB seems the most determined to constantly shoot itself in the foot nickel and diming everywhere they can.
    Giovanni
  • Giovanni said:
    It's funny how we always blame the players but not the owners. You're asking the players to take all the risk and a pay cut? Get real. I'll side with the people who mostly came from poor families and have a very limited window to earn a living (if they are lucky enough to make it in the first place) over billionaires who mostly inherited their wealth. 


    I think the players catch the blame because at the end of the day, they are playing a "game" for a living.   I mean imagine if some billionaire paid you like 5 million to nap for a few hours every day and then one day you're fighting over how much you should be paid for napping.  Most people are going to look at you like you're insane because we all have the ability to take a nap.  Am I being rather simplistic here, yeah.  Are there other variables to take into account, absolutely.  But hopefully you get the general point.  The other aspect is usually the players are the ones that are more vocal and making public statements.  I think most owners typically aren't being quoted in the media.

    Now, I don't lay all the blame on the players. I think the owners should catch equal blame.  At the same time though, while the players are trying to keep all of their money, the owners are trying to recover as much as they can from what they are losing from all of this as well.  However, the owner usually has plenty of funds to still be living quite a comfortable life.  So, I don't feel any sympathy for them either.

    But it does seem to feel like other sports are doing whatever they can to come back, MLB is determined to sit out this season.

  • CoryCory New Scotland
    How anyone can take the side of the players is beyond me.  By not taking the side of the players doesn't mean you're taking the side of the owners though.  I always take the side of the fans and say both the owners and players can go to hell.

    Blake Snell is the reason the players are looking super bad though, with his "I GOTTA GET MINE!!!!!" attitude/quote.  And how he's clearly driven by nothing but greed.  He basically said the amount of risk goes down by how much he gets paid.

    He could have just said the risk is too high and sat out, giving up his salary, if he was truly worried about risk.

    And he's turned and pushed to sell people some new product or something.

    Of course regular folk are pissed, especially those that work essential jobs, and their families.  Many of whom said they were forced to take pay cuts.

    His agent or who is advising him seem to have done a good job shutting him up, as he was approaching A-Roid levels of public relations stupidity.
  • Cory said:
    How anyone can take the side of the players is beyond me.  By not taking the side of the players doesn't mean you're taking the side of the owners though.  I always take the side of the fans and say both the owners and players can go to hell.

    Blake Snell is the reason the players are looking super bad though, with his "I GOTTA GET MINE!!!!!" attitude/quote.  And how he's clearly driven by nothing but greed.  He basically said the amount of risk goes down by how much he gets paid.

    But you're hitting the nail on the head why a typical fan is not going to take the players side, because of crap like that.  Players are more plentiful and since there are more of them, it is more likely one of them will say something stupid which the media will immediately latch on to and distribute to the masses.  So your typical fan will see that headline and be like "F the players and their greed!  I lost my job and they're complaining about making 5 million instead of 10 million".  I don't think any of the owners (that I can recall) have made public statements saying that the players need to take a pay cut because they're losing 50 million and their net worth is only at 1.7 billion (I'm just making up numbers here obviously).  In addition, you also have other former players in the media who early on stated how the players need to take pay cuts and such, so a typical fan is going to say "hey, even former players are saying they need pay cuts".

    Saying all that, I'm for both sides needing to realize that provided there can be great importance on safety and health for everyone involved, that some sort of season is better than no season and they need to be flexible in making that happen.

  • edited May 30
    Cory said:
    How anyone can take the side of the players is beyond me.  By not taking the side of the players doesn't mean you're taking the side of the owners though.  I always take the side of the fans and say both the owners and players can go to hell.

    Blake Snell is the reason the players are looking super bad though, with his "I GOTTA GET MINE!!!!!" attitude/quote.  And how he's clearly driven by nothing but greed.  He basically said the amount of risk goes down by how much he gets paid.

    He could have just said the risk is too high and sat out, giving up his salary, if he was truly worried about risk.

    And he's turned and pushed to sell people some new product or something.

    Of course regular folk are pissed, especially those that work essential jobs, and their families.  Many of whom said they were forced to take pay cuts.

    His agent or who is advising him seem to have done a good job shutting him up, as he was approaching A-Roid levels of public relations stupidity.
    I don't see how you could favors the owners over the players. Sure, the players make more money than us, but they are still employees of a company. They sign a contract to get paid for a certain amount. Do you think when MLB makes more money they tell the players, "Hey, we made more money this year, lets increase the amount we pay you!" It doesn't work that way. The players sign a contract to get paid the same amount regardless if the conditions get better OR worse. Why would they shoulder a salary cut when things are going bad if they don't get a salary bump when things are going great? Profits have been up every single year for a long time and no single owner gave back a portion of those profits to the players. 

    Yes, there a certain players who are not doing themselves any favors by the things they say, but there are people like that in all walks of life. 

    This is a good read if you want to learn more about the topic: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/after-years-of-profits-mlb-owners-ask-players-to-subsidize-potential-losses/
  • Giovanni said:
    I don't see how you could favors the owners over the players. Sure, the players make more money than us, but they are still employees of a company. They sign a contract to get paid for a certain amount. Do you think when MLB makes more money they tell the players, "Hey, we made more money this year, lets increase the amount we pay you!" It doesn't work that way. The players sign a contract to get paid the same amount regardless if the conditions get better OR worse. Why would they shoulder a salary cut when things are going bad if they don't get a salary bump when things are going great? Profits have been up every single year for a long time and no single owner gave back a portion of those profits to the players. 

    Yes, there a certain players who are not doing themselves any favors by the things they say, but there are people like that in all walks of life. 

    This is a good read if you want to learn more about the topic: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/after-years-of-profits-mlb-owners-ask-players-to-subsidize-potential-losses/

    Going to slightly disagree a little.  Players salaries go up because revenues going up.  If team owners kept losing money year after year after year, then players salaries would go down as a result (hence why people speculate that Mookie Betts may not break the bank when het gets to free agency because of all of the loss revenue from this year and possibly going forward).  There's a reason why players in the like the 1980's could only dream of getting paid like 30 million dollars for the length of 1 contract vs. someone today who dreams of making 30 or 40 or 50 million per year.  I get your point, but the average worker signs a contract as well and if their company turns a large profit, it doesn't mean the worker gets to share in that profit.  And your average worker can have their salary decreased or terminated at any time as well.  

    It's just a messed up situation to be in as it's not like the players are striking and forcing a shutdown. At the same point, the players shouldn't really be punished either.  As you mentioned, they signed a guaranteed contract.  Unless their contract had language in it that specifically mentions like an act of god type clause (which this may fall under), then yeah, why should they be forced to take a pay cut or a large pay cut to help out a billionaire who probably has enough to money to comfortably survive a lost season.  What you also have to consider are of the other people who work for the team that have more of a regular salary that will be really hurt by no season at all because chances are, they're not getting paid.

    Cory
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