The Three Body Problem, and the triumphant? return of The Double Ds

edited September 4 in Other TV
https://www.polygon.com/2020/9/1/21410069/benioff-weiss-new-netflix-show-three-body-problem-alexander-woo-rian-johnson

Ok, against my better judgment, I'm mildly optimistic about this one:

* the immediate, obvious first thought is that this book series is already finished, and, ground which has been tread over endlessly - blah blah Benioff & Weiss mostly did a great job on GoT when they had completed books to work from blah blah.
I liked The Three Body series a lot, but while there are some decently well developed characters, the books are clearly in the Bradbury/Asimov "big cool science-y ideas" tradition where rich, interesting, complicated characters are really not what the author is interested in. The Double Ds are theoretically capable of fleshing out and improving the characters they are adapting from a book. Or at least assembling a team of writers who are capable of that. This definitely is going to be needed. 

* They have a person (edit: at least I assume from his name) of Chinese descent who "will join Benioff and Weiss in adapting the book and its two sequels", whatever that means. Hopefully a) he will actually play a very major role in this project and b) he understands both contemporary Chinese society and the Cultural Revolution in a deep enough way to say something interesting about that. This is really what I'm wanting out of this series most of all. 

* The Chinese author and the excellent Chinese translator of the first and third books are involved in some manner or another. Hopefully they too will play a very major role in this, similar to how The Expanse TV series has worked. 

* Rian Johnson has some sort of executive producer involvement, which might or might not be significant in the creative development side of things, and which might or might not be positive. 

Of course, who knows when this will actually wind up being made. Probably never. 

Anyway, in conclusion, these were instant classic books. Highly recommended if hard sci-fi is your thing. You should read them. 
Doctor_Nick

Comments

  • I agree, though I've only read the first one, which I view as a classic.  
  • My main question: Does the high quality of the first half of GOT have more to with the DDs ability to adapt material (versus writing original content), or more to do with having GRRM in the writer's room. Either way, having the author involved in this project is hopefully a good sign.
  • Did GRRM write any of the kitchen sink stuff that they needed to pad out the first season because they were out of budget?  Because I think stuff that was not in the books (to my understanding) like Robert and Cersei speculating on whether their marriage was ever savable was very highly regarded.  
  • Shum said:
    My main question: Does the high quality of the first half of GOT have more to with the DDs ability to adapt material (versus writing original content), or more to do with having GRRM in the writer's room. Either way, having the author involved in this project is hopefully a good sign.
    This is an excellent question, and I don't think there is anyway to know.  

    I know it was like ten years ago, but I can't help but think about the way Benioff wrote Deadpool in Wolverine.   
  • edited September 4
    Are they going to derail this series midway through when they still have an ass ton of source material to pull from but want to hurry up and finish too? Only time will tell. People really give them way too much slack for “running out of source material” when there was still so much great shit left to put on screen before they just started jetpacking to the end. 

    I can only pray to R’hllor that one day many years from now, someone who actually loves this world and these characters and this story, will come along and give it the proper adaptation that it deserves. Preferably someone who didn’t start jerking their dick about how fuuuuckin sick The Red Wedding is BRO as the only impetus for wanting to adapt the story in the first place. And hopefully they realize that the best route to take it is animated. 

    Good luck on your journey everyone, but these two dopey dummies have joined David S. Goyer in my black book of immediate refusal for any future project. 
  • edited September 4
    ^ This is probably the more realistic take on this project. The first book is fairly straightforward, and, again, against my better judgement, I think there's an actual decent chance these two might knock that part of the story out of the park over two seasons, or even one long first season. After that, though, given the massive complexity of the story, there's major potential for it to totally fall apart into utter incoherence. 
  • Yeah, there is always the possibility that the DDs get burned out halfway through, and completely ruin another beloved series.
    hisdudeness915
  • Oh, also. I just realized that this being Netflix, it's obviously going to be cancelled after two seasons anyway.
  • edited September 5
    I wouldn’t watch anything they do unless the reviews were absolutely glowing. Those guys suck. 

    I would boycott them just on the fact they wanted to make a show where the South won the civil war. F them. 
    Deehisdudeness915BroRad33blacksunrise7
  • edited September 5

    I would boycott them just on the fact they wanted to make a show where the South won the civil war. F them. 
    A show that had two black co-creators whose thoughts on it, unsurprisingly, were completely ignored to the point of their existence being entirely erased, because apparently the only thing that matters is what white people say and do. 
  • edited September 5
     https://www.vulture.com/2017/07/hbo-confederate-producers-exclusive-interview.html 

    Malcolm Spellman: 
    What people need to recognize is, and it makes me really want to get into the show: The shit is alive and real today. I think people have got to stop pretending that slavery was something that happened and went away. The shit is affecting people in the present day. And it’s easy for folks to hide from it, because sometimes you’re not able to map it out, especially with how insidious racism has become. But everyone knows that with Trump coming into power, a bunch of shit that had always been there got resurfaced. So the idea that this would be pornography goes back to people imagining whips and plantations. What they need to be imagining is how fucked up things are today, and a story that allows us to now dramatize it in a more tangible matter.
  • Doctor_NickDoctor_Nick Terminus
    edited September 5
    The identity of a creator should not affect the quality of the argument, and whether it is worth making that argument.  

    See HBO Watchmen as an example.  
  • The identity of a creator should not affect the quality of the argument, and whether it is worth making that argument.  

    See HBO Watchmen as an example.  

    Yes but for Watchmen Lindleof basically deferred to his diverse writers room because he knew he couldn't do the subject matter justice from his perspective and background alone. Will the DD's be able to do that?
  • Good question. I suppose we will see how much Benioff and Weiss feel they have to do themselves and how much collaborators Alexander Woo, Rian Johnson, Bernadette Caulfield, Lin Qi, and, I suppose, Brad Pitt and Rosamund Pike are involved. Plus, Liu Cixin and Ken Liu are both attached, so both the original author and English translator are both playing some part. 

    The article I read actually said that Woo would be writing it as well as executive producing, so he may be on par with the Double Ds as far as shaping the story and decision making goes. 

    As for the Jezebel headline, at least this time the Double Ds will have something to read. If they cock this one up, they won't have that "the story wasn't finished" excuse. Though everything I've heard and read about the trilogy indicates that it's quite a challenge to adapt. 
  • edited September 9
    jluzania said:
    Though everything I've heard and read about the trilogy indicates that it's quite a challenge to adapt. 

     For instance, they are going to have to find some way of depicting 11 dimensions unfolding into 2 dimensions, as well as depicting people moving through 4 dimensional space. 
  • I'm skeptically optimistic. I wasn't nearly as harsh on the final couple seasons of Game of Thrones but I most certainly didn't ignore the fact the Double D's struggled and partially mailed it in during them. I don't know the source material at all but judging by the comments above I really hope they learn from their mistakes with GOT and pull in some diversity and other perspectives into the writers room to help. 
  • mykhailo said:
    jluzania said:
    Though everything I've heard and read about the trilogy indicates that it's quite a challenge to adapt. 

     For instance, they are going to have to find some way of depicting 11 dimensions unfolding into 2 dimensions, as well as depicting people moving through 4 dimensional space. 
    I'm picturing D&D furiously watching this Carl Sagan video on repeat:  
    Teresa from Concord
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