Borat Subsequent Moviefilm

MrXMrX CO
edited October 29 in Movies
Comes out tomorrow on Amazon. Wasn't especially excited for this until word came out that they got Rudy. Oh man. 2020 just doesn't stop.


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  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    I'm gonna watch.  I have a feeling this would be more suited for Swizzbold than Baldmove.
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    I didn't think I was going to want Borat of all things in 2020 but seeing the trailer a while back I am 100% in.
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    edited October 21

    'The scene features Giuliani in an interview with Borat’s young daughter, Tutur, who is posing as a reporter. After they chat for a bit, she invites him for a drink in her hotel bedroom. As he sits down on the bed, he says, “You can give me your phone number and your address,” while patting her on the back. She then tries removing his microphone, before he leans back flat on the bed and appears to be putting his hand down his pants.' :o
    gguenot
  • The thing I'm confused about is ... how does he dupe people? Wouldn't everyone just recognize Borat and know they're getting played? I guess that's why they have a daughter plotline? Or are there enough people who have forgotten about Borat in the last 15 years?
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    MrX said:
    The thing I'm confused about is ... how does he dupe people? Wouldn't everyone just recognize Borat and know they're getting played? I guess that's why they have a daughter plotline? Or are there enough people who have forgotten about Borat in the last 15 years?
    I mean, he knows which marks to target. 
    gguenotMrX
  • MichelleMichelle California
    MrX said:
    Comes out tomorrow on Amazon. Wasn't especially excited for this until word came out that they got Rudy. Oh man. 2020 just doesn't stop.


    This is so skeezy.  Also, he kinda looks like Jack Nicholson in that shot.
    And also also, this is totally skeeze. :neutral:
    Freddy
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    MrX said:
    The thing I'm confused about is ... how does he dupe people? Wouldn't everyone just recognize Borat and know they're getting played? I guess that's why they have a daughter plotline? Or are there enough people who have forgotten about Borat in the last 15 years?

    He's also sometimes doing Borat doing other characters in different costumes


  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    I really did NOT like the first Borat.  I was a very different person then.  I can't wait to watch Borat 2.  
  • I actually just re-watched the first Borat as I remembered really liking it back in 2006 and was with someone who had never seen it, and honestly, it mostly holds up. There's some regrettable parts (the feminist society bit was tired then and is awful now, and the gay pride parade is very lazy stereotyping) but there's still a lot of "so dumb it's smart" satire in there, and it's still amazing the shit people will say on camera just cause they think it's a foreign movie!

    All that being said, my response to this whole Rudy thing was just....exhaustion. The left is gleefully cackling about how it proves he's a sexual creep (as if we didn't already know this - he cheated on his wife with his 2nd (I think?) cousin), the right is saying he was set up and yelling that it doesn't matter cause "Hunter Biden's" laptop has naked underage girls on it or some shit, this won't move the needle for literally anyone, and I'm just sick of it all. 
  • In Toronto, right now:

    A Giant Inflatable Borat Is Floating In Torontos Harbourfront Right Now
    JoshTheBlack
  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    Just watched this. I guess Borat still isn't my thing. It was alright, but nothing like his showtime series a few years ago. 
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    Just watched this. I guess Borat still isn't my thing. It was alright, but nothing like his showtime series a few years ago. 
    I was somewhat lukewarm on the first one, and couldn't make it through this one. The funniest part was the names he used for his disguises, and what he kept calling Trump. In fact, his name for Trump made me laugh every time he said it. I'm a little surprised that it hadn't been used before this movie.
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    @Freddy I’m never going to watch it - what is his name for Trump?
  • Dee said:
    @Freddy I’m never going to watch it - what is his name for Trump?
    McDonald.
    Dee
  • I just watched it and thought that it was really funny.  His humour isn't for everyone and I totally understand the criticism when it comes to how he plays on racial, ethnic, sexist etc tropes, but I view him the way I view Archie Bunker.  Is he problematic?  Yes, 100% - but he's the butt of the joke.  Are there people who don't get that and run around imitating him and contributing to a toxic environment?  For sure.
    Chinaskineal
  • Here's an interesting take.  It's from Bob Lefsetz, a former music business exec.  I'm on his "Lefsetz Letter" mailing list because eons ago I worked in the music business as well.  For the last few years he's mostly been talking about the changing tide in the music industry landscape, the impact of youtube, Spotify etc.  He sees the new Borat movie as a similar kind of breakthrough for movie streaming platforms.


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    Borat Subsequent Moviefilm

    It's positively mind-blowing.

    I almost didn't watch it, the "New York Times" gave it a bad review. That's because they looked at it through the wrong lens, it's not a movie, it's PERFORMANCE ART!;

    I'm not the biggest Borat fan, I'm not even the biggest Sacha Baron Cohen fan, but I was intrigued by the distribution plan of "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm." It's free with Amazon Prime, which seemingly everybody in America has, or has access to. In other words, to use the term of the techies, Cohen has reduced the "friction" between his work and his audience. Talk to any true artist, it's never about the money, sure, they want to get paid, but they'd sacrifice every dollar to reach more people, to have an impact upon society.

    And it's funny how not a single musical artist has had an impact politically in the twenty first century. Boomers keep expecting "Eve of Destruction," of "For What It's Worth," but they're never gonna come. One can analyze the scene, the vapidity, the commerciality, but that is missing the main  point...NO MUSICAL ARTIST CAN REACH EVERYBODY!

    But somehow Borat can.

    I love a good stupid movie. My favorite is "Stripes." Which has a similar sensibility to "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm," as in it questions authority while laughing at it and those watching are in on the joke. But "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm"? It's commenting on the America we live in today, in a way no one in the media seems to be able to do other than Cohen himself.

    In this same twenty first century, the only people allowed to speak truth are cartoon characters. Look at "South Park," never mind "The Simpsons" and so many others. They tackle taboos, they say what real human beings cannot.

    And the "South Park" twins ended up going to Broadway with "The Book of Mormon." And you'd think that Mormons would hate it, but they love it! Just like right wingers will love "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm." And they'll also get a dose of truth, many doses of truth, that cannot be denied.

    As for Rudy Giuliani, this film should put the nail in his coffin. And it's not about him tucking in his shirt, but what he says earlier, about Trump and China and the coronavirus. He repeats right wing tropes, like the virus was created in a lab and Trump is doing such a great job, and you're stunned. You always thought Rudy was smart, but now his cover has been blown, he's nearly as insane as Trump himself! Until he became president I too bought the party line, that Trump was intelligent, but we now all know that is untrue. Furthermore, Rudy is so sleazy, hitting on the female interviewer, smiling, baring his teeth as if getting ready to devour her like the Big Bad Wolf, that your stomach turns. This is who this guy really is? And you realize yup, it's him, just like it's everybody else in this road trip of a film.

    It starts out stupidly in Kazakhstan. But then as the film unspools, when Borat gets to America and starts interacting with people, you gradually get stunned. At first you think it's just one gullible person, and then you realize all these people are gullible!

    The anti-Semitism. Getting the bakery employee to write hatred on the cake without blinking.

    You start to squirm with every progressive set-up. You wonder how Cohen did this, and you wonder about the consequences. Like the debutante ball and that time of the moon. No one just laughs out loud or tells Borat to get out immediately other than when he enters a ballroom to give his daughter to Pence. But by piercing the bubble of this conservative nonsense it makes Pence and his followers look like nincompoops. It's amazing what people will say if they believe they're in a bubble, that the real world and the media are excluded. As for the anti-Covid rally, getting the assembled multitude to shout hatred...right there you see the perils of groupthink.

    So, Sacha Baron Cohen just disrupted the movie business. They thought it would be the too long and not good enough Scorsese film "The Irishman." And then maybe "Mulan" on the Disney Channel. But the truth is "The Irishman" was an endurance test and it turned out that "Mulan" was also far from stellar and it was on Disney+ and...

    This is like "The Sopranos" on HBO.

    First we had "Dream On." Then even "Sex and the City." But when HBO aired "The Sopranos," not only did we realize the show was better than anything on the big screen, in theatres, but it made a joke of all the network fare. Yes, you can credit HBO for changing television, and our entire nation's consciousness. You see then the other pay channels had to create original programming to compete with HBO. And then Netflix came along with an open checkbook and suddenly we were living in the heyday of television. Sure, there are too many shows to watch, over four or five hundred per year at the last count, but the truth is...MOST ARE NOT WORTH WATCHING! We no longer live in a three network world. Television resembles the music business. The label releases a bunch of product just hoping ONE album/artist/track hits. And if it does, it covers all the dreck financially. And the audience is drawn to hits. And hits often take time to grow, the perfect example being "Breaking Bad," which was on TV for years but didn't break through until it was on demand on Netflix.

    So we're all looking for something to watch.

    And we're all listening to our friends, the scuttlebutt. We may not watch all the way through, but we'll give recommendations a chance.

    And you want to watch "Borat" to be PART OF THE DISCUSSION! I only lament we're in the Covid era, otherwise "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm" would be the topic of discussion in the office for at least a week. Those left out would immediately watch it, just to render an opinion. That's what we want to do. That's one of the reasons I watched it today, I wanted to be up to date. Meanwhile, there's not much I need to be up to date on these days, other than the news.

    And Rachel Maddow and the rest of MSNBC have spent four years with a serious tone trying to take Trump down, and it hasn't worked. But this stupid "Borat" movie will have more impact than any of the anchors' bloviating, more impact than last night's debate, because when you see the insanity in action you just cannot defend it, you're forced to wake up.

    That's right, there's a right wing bubble, trying to keep people from the truth, demonizing everyone who is not inside it. But Cohen pierces that bubble with the tiniest of pinpricks, over and over and over again. And ultimately it's simple, you let people be who they are and you can't help but laugh at them, they incriminate themselves, and you question your own beliefs.

    (continued)
  • (from above)

    The plastic surgeon who talks about Jewish noses. Who doesn't take offense. Irrelevant of his beliefs, this is how we've gotten here, no one speaks up. And then when black people speak up those on the right refuse to address the issue, talking about law and order as opposed to systemic racism. Then again, Tucker Carlson says racism is history in America. Tell that to a black teenager in a hoodie walking through an upscale mall or the streets of Beverly Hills.

    This film is jaw-dropping. Like I said, not at first. But the cumulative effect ends up being overwhelming. Cohen does not relent, he keeps on upping the ante, keeps exposing right wing tropes for what they are. How are you gonna defend the viewpoints in this movie? You can't, you can just do your best to ignore it. But the younger generations will eat "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm" up and watch it over and over again. And as they recite its elements their parents will watch it too.

    Never underestimate the impact of art. I truly believe we can credit MTV with demystifying and destigmatizing homosexuality as well as interracial relationships. When you see it on the screen and all of the tropes are proven untrue, it has an impact.

    Then again, we've still got a long way to go. James "The Amazing" Randi just died and even though he did his best, there are still clairvoyants and other fakers ripping off the public.

    But Randi never reached everybody. Oh, he reached a lot of people on "Johnny Carson," but "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm" is not here and gone, rather it will live on, on demand, on Prime Video. That's the world we live in, one of on demand, if I can't watch it when I want to, I wont. Make it inconvenient and I'm out. This is what the older generation does not get about the youth. This is how the youth have learned to live in a world with so much incoming, whereas so many elders have just punted, thrown their arms in the air and said it's too overwhelming.

    And, ultimately "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm" is overwhelming. It overwhelms your senses. At first it's just intellectually funny, but then you can't resist laughing out loud, sometimes hysterically. And almost all comedies are uneven, you can't review them through the lens of a drama, just like you can't send a rock fan to review a hip-hop show.

    "Borat Subsequent Moviefilm" is a bullseye. Watch it NOW!
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    edited October 24
    I just watched it. I wanted to YIKES out of my skin in at least 3 places. The thing I couldn't figure out is how Borat was going to fool people in 2020, and the answer is, his "daughter" did most of the heavy lifting. Maria Bakalova did a great job and was game for anything. I don't see how these people do this kind of gonzo stuff without breaking character or shitting their pants. Still, I'm super shocked that his stunt at CPAC2020 didn't get out until know. That was incredible.

    It's not my cup of tea, but it's a pretty raw look at the some of the grosser aspects of America. I thought the first 15 minutes were genuinely funny, and the last 10 were pretty heartwarming.

    Freddy
  • This film is jaw-dropping. Like I said, not at first. But the cumulative effect ends up being overwhelming.
    Exactly. My wife (heh) would have loved this film start to end if it was just skewering the right wing crazies and highlighting just how fascist tolerance has crept into the mainstream... but there were also weaker parts. For example, the whole Debutante ball scene was unnecessary to the plot, and took the laser focus away from the right wing crazies and the Republican women's group was a bit weak. I'd have loved to see the OAN stuff included. 
    CretanBull
  • kingbee67kingbee67 Los Angeles Ca.
    Well I didn’t run screaming into the night. 
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    Was
    This film is jaw-dropping. Like I said, not at first. But the cumulative effect ends up being overwhelming.
    Exactly. My wife (heh) would have loved this film start to end if it was just skewering the right wing crazies and highlighting just how fascist tolerance has crept into the mainstream... but there were also weaker parts. For example, the whole Debutante ball scene was unnecessary to the plot, and took the laser focus away from the right wing crazies and the Republican women's group was a bit weak. I'd have loved to see the OAN stuff included. 

    Wasn't the debutante ball and the Republican women's group also aimed at right wing crazies? Those were two of the biggest Yikes outta my body moments, though, for sure. I've been wondering about them... Maybe that's what you're getting at. Both of those scenes kind of do what the others you like are doing, but they just keep going. Like, just parading around your daughter at a place where dads are comfortable saying "she's worth about $500" in front of THEIR daughters; that's it. You got 'em. Do you need the ridiculous dance that just keeps getting worse and worse. With the women's group, you made the parallel's between their mindset and the bogus "women's manual" from "Kazakstan".... you made the point, but you gotta keep going.

    In both cases the point seemed to keep engaging in more and more bizarre behavior until the targets themselves were disgusted or put off. They seemed much less effective then just exposing the double standards and hypocrisy. Yeah? No?

  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco

    This is pretty wild, I can't imagine being in the crew on this movie much less doing what Cohen did.

  • MrXMrX CO
    edited October 29
    Was
    This film is jaw-dropping. Like I said, not at first. But the cumulative effect ends up being overwhelming.
    Exactly. My wife (heh) would have loved this film start to end if it was just skewering the right wing crazies and highlighting just how fascist tolerance has crept into the mainstream... but there were also weaker parts. For example, the whole Debutante ball scene was unnecessary to the plot, and took the laser focus away from the right wing crazies and the Republican women's group was a bit weak. I'd have loved to see the OAN stuff included. 

    Wasn't the debutante ball and the Republican women's group also aimed at right wing crazies? Those were two of the biggest Yikes outta my body moments, though, for sure. I've been wondering about them... Maybe that's what you're getting at. Both of those scenes kind of do what the others you like are doing, but they just keep going. Like, just parading around your daughter at a place where dads are comfortable saying "she's worth about $500" in front of THEIR daughters; that's it. You got 'em. Do you need the ridiculous dance that just keeps getting worse and worse. With the women's group, you made the parallel's between their mindset and the bogus "women's manual" from "Kazakstan".... you made the point, but you gotta keep going.

    In both cases the point seemed to keep engaging in more and more bizarre behavior until the targets themselves were disgusted or put off. They seemed much less effective then just exposing the double standards and hypocrisy. Yeah? No?



    The fertility dance was amazing satire IMO. Think about what a debutante ball is ... Families showing off their daughter's who have "come of age" and can eventually be married off to some nice family. It basically is a fertility dance with fancy clothes hors d'oeuvres!! I think they had to go "all the way" ... That's kind of the point of Borat, go beyond what any of us would think is a good idea.
    CretanBullA_Ron_Hubbard
  • MrX said:
    Was
    This film is jaw-dropping. Like I said, not at first. But the cumulative effect ends up being overwhelming.
    Exactly. My wife (heh) would have loved this film start to end if it was just skewering the right wing crazies and highlighting just how fascist tolerance has crept into the mainstream... but there were also weaker parts. For example, the whole Debutante ball scene was unnecessary to the plot, and took the laser focus away from the right wing crazies and the Republican women's group was a bit weak. I'd have loved to see the OAN stuff included. 

    Wasn't the debutante ball and the Republican women's group also aimed at right wing crazies? Those were two of the biggest Yikes outta my body moments, though, for sure. I've been wondering about them... Maybe that's what you're getting at. Both of those scenes kind of do what the others you like are doing, but they just keep going. Like, just parading around your daughter at a place where dads are comfortable saying "she's worth about $500" in front of THEIR daughters; that's it. You got 'em. Do you need the ridiculous dance that just keeps getting worse and worse. With the women's group, you made the parallel's between their mindset and the bogus "women's manual" from "Kazakstan".... you made the point, but you gotta keep going.

    In both cases the point seemed to keep engaging in more and more bizarre behavior until the targets themselves were disgusted or put off. They seemed much less effective then just exposing the double standards and hypocrisy. Yeah? No?



    The fertility dance was amazing satire IMO. Think about what a debutante ball is ... Families showing off their daughter's who have "come of age" and can eventually be married off to some nice family. It basically is a fertility dance with fancy clothes hors d'oeuvres!! I think they had to go "all the way" ... That's kind of the point of Borat, go beyond what any of us would think is a good idea.
    I agree and stretching it out and making it uncomfortable was part of the point.  His stunts aren't really meant as plot-points in a film, they're to draw attention to and mock these types of things.  Allowing the audience to sit through that gives us a similar level of discomfort as the people who were actually there and we're not actively participating in it.  That discomfort serves a purpose, the more weird and awkward you feel while watching it the more you're likely to think about what the ball actually is.

    Something like the cake scene can be shorter.  We don't need to marinate in discomfort - we just need to see how casually the bakery lady accepted anti-Semitism.  That's not something we have to let sink in.
  • I don’t know about you, but I ignore this movie on purpose. I watched the first part that came out in 2006, and I didn't like that movie at all. Cliches and ridicule alone
  • HunkuleseHunkulese Québec, Canada

    This is pretty wild, I can't imagine being in the crew on this movie much less doing what Cohen did.

    I'm kind of surprised he released that. It's explicit proof that the reactions in the movie aren't genuine. I always assumed 90% of his stuff wasn't genuine but never expected him to break the illusion.
  • Hunkulese said:

    This is pretty wild, I can't imagine being in the crew on this movie much less doing what Cohen did.

    I'm kind of surprised he released that. It's explicit proof that the reactions in the movie aren't genuine. I always assumed 90% of his stuff wasn't genuine but never expected him to break the illusion.
    It's a selected clip.  They released a longer one that showed the things that were in the movie.  The crowd didn't turn on him until he'd been on stage for 10 mins or so and they began to realize that he was pranking them.
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