202 - "Night Finds You"

Director: Justin Lin
Writer: Nic Pizzolatto
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  • Wow. Shock ending.
    steph_bUnderwoodksa1001Travis
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    I guess True Detective has been watching Game of Thrones.
    steph_bephankoralksa1001TravisLAStark9Tonya
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    Damn. Pizzolotto swinging for the fences, I guess. Assuming episode three isn't a complete shit show, I guess I don't understand the Luke warm reviews. Episode one was so so, but interesting, but this was amazing.
    steph_bJohnnybroompersonUnderwoodtvollmer89TravisCarnivalArts
  • I'm convinced the critics just don't like Nic Pizzolatto.
    ksa1001AntManBeeDee
  • A. Ron what's the policy for talking about previews for next week? Because I think HBO blatantly spoiled something massive for next week's episode. Especially when you combine that with IGN's review knowing that they received the first 3 and know about next week's already.
  • edited June 2015
    As for this week's, I thought it was mediocre, but better than last week's pretty bad one. It's going to be extremely tough for me to get beyond Vince Vaughn. I just absolutely don't buy him in this role. He's just not bringing it. I did think Justin (not Jeremy) Lin did a better job at directing this week. The scenes without Vince Vaughn were all exceptional except for the dopey one with the porn directorish shrink. Much love to Rachel McAdams and Colin Farrell.

    Taylor Kitsch's character: I think we can officially call him gay now?

    Oh and a podcast request: Because there are so many characters on this season and so many of them have weird names, could you guys occasionally refer to them by their actor's names as well? You guys had clearly done your research on everyone's names last week, but I kept forgetting which led me to wondering who you were talking about when you said names like Simeon or Volcorro.
    Elisa
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    Haha, we started looking up the names in advance to keep from sounding like idiots, and we'd just use actors names or crazy nicknames. Then eventually we'd pick them up by osmosis and then the other names would gradually die out. Maybe that was a feature, not a bug!
    steph_bhistoricstorkTonya
  • Yeah maybe I was in the minority and maybe it'll be easier after hearing the names for two weeks. Just know that last week it was like reading recaps of early Season 1 of Game of Thrones as a non-book reader back then and thinking "who the fuck are they talking about??"
    Elisa
  • Melisandre will revive Colin Farrell.

    I do enjoy the complexity brought by conflicting motivations of the various departments, investigators, and other interested parties.
    ksa1001historicstorkTravisangryjefLAStark9CarnivalArtsAshleyOcean
  • kingbee67kingbee67 Los Angeles Ca.
    If you wanna know look up Colin Farrell on IMDB.
  • This show is fucking weird. And I love it. 
    steph_bephankoralTravisTonyaAmbitiousBukky
  • edited June 2015
    Well, they just killed my favorite character so far. Kind of feels like The Place Beyond the Pines, and that movie didn't suffer from killing off Ryan Gosling, so I have hope.

    The preview for next week suggests things start heating up. This feels like the real inciting incident of the story. Plus I can't help my fascination with this strange house and the man in the raven mask...
  • Primary reddit operating theory on possible Ray return:  shotgun shells with rock salt or rubber pellets, and Ray wearing a vest.  I bet he's back.  Kind of cheap of the Pizza boy if he does come back, but I guess I'd be happy to see more of Ray. 
    AntManBee
  • aberry89aberry89 California
    WFT. You want more characters audience??  Fine!  We will just kill them off in episode two..hehehe.

    Vince Vaughn is the only thing not working for me. I zone the fuck out whenever he's on screen...charasmia black hole. Which is so weird, because comedically he has a ton of it. Some actors like Bryan Cranston know that meaning being a "serious" actor doesnt mean you have to be "serious" all the time, you dont have to turn off the charasmia just because your not making people laugh. 
    Travis
  • mike3point14159mike3point14159 International Falls MN
    While the credits were rolling I was wondering why bother wearing a mask if you are just going to kill somebody?
  • davidjacobsdavidjacobs Portland, OR
    I was a big fan of season 1 but this one i am already done with. so over done. Over acted, writing bad. the whole thing really sucks. it's not just vince vaughn, who sucks too. I don't give a damn about any of these people and their over dramatic issues. "I like the bike". Please. 
    tom_g
  • I don't see what everyone means about Vince Vaughn's acting being poor. I thought his monologue at the beginning about being locked in the basement was really moving. That performance, imho, was spot on. Is it possible that knowing him from so many other movies (especially comedies) is influencing people's opinions? With Harrelson and Mcconaughey last year, I thought that the costume/makeup people did a great job making them look at least somewhat different than they do in their comedic roles which helped to not associate them with those characters (especially for Mcconaughey). Vince Vaughn, on the other hand, looks exactly the same as always. 
    UnderwoodTravissteph_bJaimieTDee
  • T. Kitsch casting question: "So which role would you like, you're such a great actor - you can choose"
    - "I like the bike".

    Nevertheless I quite like the show, one issue that seems to get overlooked is the obtrusive use of gloomy ambience music. Would be a real step forward if they would be able to achive a dark atmosphere without hammering it in.

    Considering the ending, as some of you already mentioned, why would the killer wear a crow (?) mask and why shoot him a second time in the belly? But if Velcoro is really dead, that may be the death and the real case the show is centered about. (did not read the spoilers, if there any) I just hope it is not again a one of the kind psychopath, but it seems so hm.

    Another interesting shot was at 15:39 in Caspere's home when Pizzolatto purposely demontrates a second painting of Terry Rodgers, named "The Triumph of Venus" (again 2005). I know that somehow well because I saw those paintings live at an exhibition in 2010 (time passes so fast ...) and was . you know .. impressed. Why? It is not about the nudity of elite looking, Paris Hilton style, slender people to be sexually stimulating, no. I got the impression that there is always a chastened atmosphere on these paintings. Apart from the first impression that they are living in affluence and feel disconnected , I guess Rodgers' works are also politically neutral and about life itself, in this case isolation for example, a generel mantra of Pizzolatto's Tv show, for me at least.

    And they show that the paintings were destroyed by the invader(s). Again, I am no expert why exactly it is called Triumph of Venus, moreover this exact title was used three centuries ago by Francois Boucher and Alessandro Magnasco (1720) too. Maybe the showrunner is so shrewd that this could be indicating something but I don't know. He could have also used Shades of Olympus as well.
    I also say that it is interesting to place these dominating paintings inside a living room, because they are so dense. They immediately capture your attention, hm.. like the other things in the room haha.

    Sorry about the long posts.

    Best regards!
    Travis
  • edited June 2015
    Sry for second post in a row, I hope I am not completey wrong in this forum for writing down my assumptions
    (please tell me if so)

    but did you notice the room in which Velcoro was shot is sound proof?. I mean when Ray arrives, the black Cadillac(?) is already waiting, the inside is so secure, nobody will hear - It's a trap :D

    The guy must have known someone's coming, don't think he likes to wait there just for fun :)

    There's another thing I guess, and I mean THE thing:
    So Rachel and Colin visit this weird Cumberbatch looking therapist/doctor in his hillside clinic and he talks about where she comes from and so on and she shrugs off with "that was a really fucked up place". When the two detectives are on their way home, Rachel tells Colin that she was raised in Guerneville, 70/80ies commune (40:30). So I was looking for Guerneville Commune on Bing and nothing. Then I tried "Guerneville Secret Society" and found this right from the bat: Bohemian Grove. Then scroll down to Symbolism and Rituals and there you have it. The similarity to season 1 and an explanation for the crow?! I am inclined to say I prefer this season so far, ha!
    FlashGordonTravisNikkiP
  • First episode was so so but episode 2 was FANTASTIC
  • ksa1001ksa1001 Plano, TX
    edited June 2015
    Sry for second post in a row, I hope I am not completey wrong in this forum for writing down my assumptions
    (please tell me if so)

    but did you notice the room in which Velcoro was shot is sound proof?. I mean when Ray arrives, the black Cadillac(?) is already waiting, the inside is so secure, nobody will hear - It's a trap :D

    The guy must have known someone's coming, don't think he likes to wait there just for fun :)

    There's another thing I guess, and I mean THE thing:
    So Rachel and Colin visit this weird Cumberbatch looking therapist/doctor in his hillside clinic and he talks about where she comes from and so on and she shrugs off with "that was a really fucked up place". When the two detectives are on their way home, Rachel tells Colin that she was raised in Guerneville, 70/80ies commune (40:30). So I was looking for Guerneville Commune on Bing and nothing. Then I tried "Guerneville Secret Society" and found this right from the bat: Bohemian Grove. Then scroll down to Symbolism and Rituals and there you have it. The similarity to season 1 and an explanation for the crow?! I am inclined to say I prefer this season so far, ha!
    BING!?
    historicstorktvisgreattom_gLAStark9
  • ksa1001ksa1001 Plano, TX
    edited June 2015
    Are we to believe that it's just a coincidence that Velcoro was "killed" shortly after he stood up to his tormentor (Frank Semyon/Vince Vaughn)?
  • tom_gtom_g WV
    edited June 2015
    ksa1001 said:

    Sry for second post in a row, I hope I am not completey wrong in this forum for writing down my assumptions
    (please tell me if so)

    but did you notice the room in which Velcoro was shot is sound proof?. I mean when Ray arrives, the black Cadillac(?) is already waiting, the inside is so secure, nobody will hear - It's a trap :D

    The guy must have known someone's coming, don't think he likes to wait there just for fun :)

    There's another thing I guess, and I mean THE thing:
    So Rachel and Colin visit this weird Cumberbatch looking therapist/doctor in his hillside clinic and he talks about where she comes from and so on and she shrugs off with "that was a really fucked up place". When the two detectives are on their way home, Rachel tells Colin that she was raised in Guerneville, 70/80ies commune (40:30). So I was looking for Guerneville Commune on Bing and nothing. Then I tried "Guerneville Secret Society" and found this right from the bat: Bohemian Grove. Then scroll down to Symbolism and Rituals and there you have it. The similarity to season 1 and an explanation for the crow?! I am inclined to say I prefer this season so far, ha!
    BING!?


    I had to google 'Bing' to find out what it was.
    historicstorkksa1001BountlynTravissteph_bJaimieT
  • UnderwoodUnderwood Philadelphia, PA
    Anyone notice, that this weeks intro was different than the premiers? The song was worded differently and some of the names were in different order. Like this time Matthew was listed first and then Woody as Exec. Producers. It all has to mean something right?
  • As an English Lit student, I'm fascinated to see where the Antigone links are going to start coming into fruition. It was intriguing when she spoke about her time at the commune - of the four other girls there she said two were in jail and two had committed suicide, before the creepy sunglasses guy asked the fate of the fifth. She said she became a detective, but I wonder if Pizzolatto might have been adding some dark foreshadowing; in the classical tale, Antigone is imprisoned and then also commits suicide... Obviously this is all wild speculation, but I don't think Pizzolatto would just randomly select a name so rife with connotations without having some sort of meaning behind it.

    Also, was it just me, or did the relationship between Taylor Kitsch and his mother seem creepily Oedipal - she seemed a bit too interested in his muscles and past/present love life...
    AntManBeeksa1001adobo1148
  • broompersonbroomperson the Iron Islands
    Any of yall suck robot dicks?
    Travissteph_b
  • edited June 2015
    Hello fellow Baldmovers,
    I'd like to add just one more thing considering the Terry Rodgers paintings, if you don't mind :D

    So, I've read comments from art critics that state his late work was influenced by a book called Glamorama (1998) by Bret Easton Ellis, which has shallowness and consumerism as a greater theme. Interestingly, his next work is named "Lunar Park" in which a he himself acts in a  fantasy horror story.
    Here it comes: the theme of the book is a difficult father son relationship, the father drinks and messes around, like Velcoro. It is also about the loss of capacity of love and the struggle to recover it (insert random TD main character). And on top of that, the fun horror thingy kicks in on Halloween! I got this info from a swiss book reception from 2006, so I have not read it myself, but I guess you can see the connections there. And maybe this indicates the flow of work done by Pizzolatto. He is an expert in literature and his stories derive from this mindset, this synthesised universe from all these influences. That's why it is so much fun when a clearer picture evolves, to find those connections.

    I know, most of it is a vague theory, but it is interesting that in the first episode at 44:37, there is an upfront picture of the entrance of the Australian Luna Park ridiculously placed behind the door of the guy who Velcoro beats to hospital. I mean it is so much out of place that there has to be meaning. Velcoro also admits that his favourite astronauts "don't fly to the moon any more".

    According to this interview, the showrunner states the initial goal of surfacing "the secret occult history of the U.S. transportation system" was tuned down in order to make a compelling and cohesive storyline (including character background haha). So this whole fly-to-moon, build-new-railway, and its greater meaning may be just remnants of the original plotline, and now it is all about Bohemian Grove-inspired thing in Guerneville with focus on sexual abuse and maybe sacrifices, who knows :)

    have a good time!



    bizmarkiefaderTravis
  • ksa1001ksa1001 Plano, TX

    Any of yall suck robot dicks?

    Man with lines like that one you can see why some of the reviews have been way harsh. Take that stilted writing and add in that most reviews feel duped for having heaped acclaim on season 1 only to have a plagiarism scandal come about and you have a lot of reviewers watching those first three episodes with their arms crossed ready to hate/hate on it.
    steph_b
  • tom_g said:

    ksa1001 said:


    BING!?

    I had to google 'Bing' to find out what it was.

    Yeah, sry, should have quoted the full address + wiki link lol
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    So there's a guy running around in a bird mask shooting the dicks off corrupt assholes, are we supposed to be rooting against him?
    ksa1001broompersonTravissteph_bFrakkin Ttvisgreat
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