203 - "Maybe Tomorrow"

Director: Janus Metz Pedersen
Writer: Nic Pizzolatto


  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    What Nic P. fears and loathes most in this world: the electronic cigarette.
  • WTF, fuck this show in its robot dickhole.
  • Who the hell was Stan? I don't remember him at all.
  • mike3point14159mike3point14159 International Falls MN

    I wish the lounge singer was doing the hand dance too.
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    I am officially bored by this show.
  • Anyone notice the cat poster in the mayors office, "Eat shit and die."?
  • Seriously though, I won't stop watching it since it's half over anyway and the main plot is still kinda interesting, but most of the characters just annoy the shit out of me. 

    Also, wtf was up with that shot prominently displaying the American Sniper billboard in what's supposed to be late 2015? 
  • edited July 2015
    It's set in 2014. All of the calendar and evidence sets this between September and October 2014.

    American Sniper released in January 2015 so the billboard lines up.
  • @Gojant wait what? I could've sworn it was set in October 2015?
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    Yeah, there was paperwork in episode 1 that had October 2015 on it.

    I have to say, I'm kind of scratching my head about several critics comments that the director shown in this episode was supposed to be a dig at Fukanaga. Guy looked nothing like him, and even if he did, it wasn't an unflattering portrait. I was waiting to really grit my teeth at Pizzolotto being so petty, but now I feel like the critics were grasping, and one of those graspers was Sepinwall, so what the hell?
  • edited July 2015
    I watch this on my tablet and photosnap anything of importance. All calendar evidence is on the 2014 calendar. All ATM data the detective pulled is October 23-24, 2014.

    The newspaper article from episode 1 date is October 27,2015.

  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    Not only was he not dead, he didn't even miss any time at work? Nobody really had to react to or care about his shooting at all except the audience.
  • That newspaper article you guys are referencing also runs in a loop, repeating the exact same content, if you screen cap and read it (episode 1 11:25, repeat starts about half way through).  I bet listing the date as Oct 2015 was just an oversight. The paper clearly didn't matter enough to justify writing a full flake fluff article.  

    Evidence seems to suggest its actually 2014, unless time is a flat circle...............
  • edited July 2015
    I agree that the director wasn't a huge dig, but the show took several slightly subtle shots if we believe that the director represents Fukanaga. The director, like Fukanaga, seems to be of Asian descent and Fukanaga has worn his hair similarly like the director does. 

    The conversation with the set photographer implied that the movie will be a cliched mess. When introduced to the director, we see him shout an expletive and move on from a take that he clearly wasn't happy with. These two points suggest that the director is likely a hack. 

    "...I drink, so it makes my recollection unreliable." This statement, if the character is to be believed, says that the director not only drank so much that he couldn't clearly remember the party or parties he attended but he likely is an alcoholic who habitually drinks himself into that state. 

    The photographer characterizes the parties as sex parties but the director implies that they were tame affairs which plays as a discredited account based on what we know of Caspere. 

    At first glance, the slights may seem mild, but I'm sure that Fukanaga would be less than pleased if that director was a stand-in for him.
  • edited July 2015
    So who do you think is the mask guy/girl? Looks pretty slender to me and does not move like a real professional. Although they say the rubber(?) buckshot is like the ones from the police, I somewhat doubt it was a policewoman. I am also not into the Caspere's secretary theory, I do not think she's a murderer.

    Anyway, I kinda expect the show to be a sort of awakening thing for Ray. Actually he has lived a miserable live since the whole rape thing, has gone down the dark corruption road and now gets the chance to wipe up the dirty floor and draw a line under his mess. Of course it'll be messy but after all the struggles he would eventually rediscover his will to live.

  • ArctorArctor The Netherlands
    edited July 2015
    I'm not as mad about the riot-pellets thing as I thought I would be. Think about it this way:

     A. These things exist.

     B. Actually killing a cop as opposed to sending a non-lethal message draws a lot of unwanted (FBI) attention.

     C. It's a clue that dirty cops might be involved and there could be a security leak.

     D. Would you really expect them to ruin the tension at the end of the episode by showing he's still alive and forfeit that cool intro we got this episode?

    So I also noticed they're doing the
    spiel with the highway patrol cop, that's always a good spiel to do.
    I saw that same trope yesterday when I was watching Legally Blonde 2. Can't wait for that to play out /s

    @Bountlyn I agree it looks like a change in him is about to happen. He is definitely at his lowest point now. He literally has no-one who cares about him, not his colleagues and he isn't allowed to see his kid, gangsters just use him like a pawn. His motivation for quitting the drink is anger, that's never good...

    Also Vince's character is getting increasingly desperate - this is an explosive situation and the fuse has been lit...

    All in all pretty exciting stuff, I'm still very much invested and on the ride :)

  • JohnnyCharismaJohnnyCharisma Australia
    edited July 2015
    Thought this episode was a big step up! Liked it a lot.

    Liked Kitch questioning his sexuality and ordering those doubles.

    The extraction of the 'fuck you' teeth after a toe to toe boxing match.

    A chase scene with a potential suspect. Was it a rabbit mask that the person was wearing?

    BTW- Stan was the guy Vince visited earlier to squeeze money out of.

    I think this season is coming into its own and I've learnt to stop worrying and love the TD.
  • Sorry A. Ron, I agree with firewalker601. The shots were subtle, but they were definitely there. Just because they didn't give the guy the name "Cary" and had him randomly shitting his pants doesn't mean there weren't intentional shots there.

    As for the episode...I've come to accept this season isn't going to sniff Season 1. That doesn't mean I can't have fun with it though. I'm watching solely so I can listen to the podcast and read theories on Reddit. Like Nick Kroll said on Twitter last night: True Detective is just CSI with cursing and slightly better lighting.
  • davidjacobsdavidjacobs Portland, OR
    I was about 90% done with this show and now I'm at 100%. I agree with Jim, writing/dialog is terrible. Add to that the over acting by everyone. Feels like everyone is trying to hard. This is a better version of The Leftovers, which isn't saying much. Moody and dreary is fine, but this is ridiculous.
  • So Ray not only lives, but he is just left on the floor. The masked man took the Webcam and Hard-drive and left. Why the crowd-control bullets instead of a real shotgun? Did the guy know that another person was headed for the house? Did he know that person was a cop? I've got a few different scenarios running through my head that make sense.

    1. Birdman did not know anyone would be there. He was sweeping the house for whatever information they were trying to get out of Casper by torturing him. Ray shows up, he grabs a mask off the wall (hence the missing mask) and the shotgun. The shotgun happens to have crowd control bullets in it, because it was used as a prop in the snuff porn that was being made in the house (which we will see when they find the hard-drive). 

    2. Danny Santos (the club owner, who just had his teeth ripped out), knows who killed Casper but doesn't know much of the details. Once Frank leaves the club, Danny questions the escort about the house she had just told Frank about; she mentions the video camera in the closet. He makes a call, the killers race to the house to get the camera/hard-drive. They know Frank might send one of his police buddies, so rather than bring live ammunition they bring the crowd-control bullets. A dead cop would bring way too much attention to the case. Ray pulls up while Birdman is in the house, so he waits in a side-room and then incapacitates Ray before taking the camera and hard-drive. 

    3. Felicia, the waitress at the bar where Frank meets Ray, eavesdrops on their conversation. She hears Frank tell Ray to go to Caspers place in Hollywood. Felicia tips off the killers, and lets them know that someone is on the way to the house and it's definitely a cop. Same as in option 2, they bring crowd-control bullets to avoid killing a cop. While I like this theory the best for why they brought crowd-control ammunition, it doesn't really give the killer's a motive to go back to the house. Maybe Danny tips Felicia off about the camera? 

  • This season is incredibly boring. Its like a really bad episode of law and order. What the hell happened between seasons 1 and 2? 
  • TravisTravis CA
    edited July 2015

    I wanted to do a little more thinking before really commenting about this, but two quick things:

    1. I laughed my ass off (literally, I no longer have an ass which I am honestly concerned will create future logistical problems, but anyhoo). In the middle of the episode, not long after the Vince and Colin scene my wife shouted out "Why don't they talk like people?!" Another vote for @Jim on that.

    2. Man, that intro scene was about the most Lynchian thing not actually done by David Lynch that I've ever seen. The only thing that could have made it more Lynchian would have been for the singer to be Michael J Anderson. This isn't to say that I didn't like it, which I really did, but wow. 


  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    I really hope they have something more planned for these murder/arson/sex dungeon cult guys than spooky masks. It works for a little while cause it looks cool, but showing a dude in a goofy paper plate Princess Mononoke mask stumbling through a hobo camp knocking over grocery carts cause he cant see shit is taking the edge off the spooky mysteriousness.
  • kingbee67kingbee67 Los Angeles Ca.
    edited July 2015

    Some how I screwed this up but whatever. The things that were great in this episode.

    1. The Rose as sung by  Conway Twitty.

    2. The running joke about the e-cig

    3. Fred Ward(come on Gus Grissom from The Right Stuff the best casting move so far)

    4. David Lynch, the dream reminded me of the scene in Mulholland Drive with the Roy Orbison song Cryin " Heineken fuck that Pabst Blue Ribbon!"

    5. Didn't need to see the teeth get pulled out and they didn't show it, so thanks.

  • @bizmarkiefader  The Roy Orbison song is from Blue Velvet. Classic.
  • @hypergenesb I'm pretty sure it was you (sorry if it wasn't). Thank you so much for mentioning the Welcome to Vinci podcast. I'm really enjoying that a whole lot.
  • @Travis you're welcome. glad your enjoying it. I sure am. 
  • ksa1001ksa1001 Plano, TX
    ghm3 said:

    Seriously though, I won't stop watching it since it's half over anyway and the main plot is still kinda interesting, but most of the characters just annoy the shit out of me. 

    Also, wtf was up with that shot prominently displaying the American Sniper billboard in what's supposed to be late 2015? 
    Oh shit! I saw this and totally forgot we were supposed to be in the future. Sheesh, what a slip.
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    edited July 2015
    Someone posted this on Reddit, this is now how I'm imagining this cult until we get some more info on them (ugh, the timecode isn't working skip to 1:25):

    I mean seriously, look how impractical this mask is:
  • kingbee67kingbee67 Los Angeles Ca.
    edited July 2015

    @bizmarkiefader  The Roy Orbison song is from Blue Velvet. Classic.

    it's also In Mulholland where some woman sings it accapell in Spanish. That's the part I was refering too.
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