207 - "Black Maps and Motel Rooms"

Director: Dan Attias
Writer: Nic Pizzolatto
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  • Best episode so far, I'm looking forward to the finale.
    browniefiveTravis
  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky
    Daaaaaamn. That was great.
    Travis
  • Really enjoying this.  Sometimes I find it hard to keep everything straight in my head, but this is good shit.  
    Travis
  • These last two episodes have definitely been the best of the season, but it's way too little too late for me. 
  • Meh. Boring story and convoluted to boot. The fact that we all start clapping when something finally does happen is a sad statement on this season's story. 
    AndrewGarrison66Benoît
  • Second best of the season, but that's not saying much. The only great episode of the season was still last week's. I agree, it was absolutely convoluted. I shouldn't have to listen to Bald Move and rewatch multiple times to figure out what's going on from storyline to storyline. And the reveal at the end has been obvious for weeks, way more obvious than the reveal of the Yellow King last year.

    I did quite enjoy Frank randomly capping the one mobster. It took 5 episodes, but I'm finally on board with the performances by all the actors. Pizzolatto remains the problem.
    DaveyMacGarrison66
  • broompersonbroomperson the Iron Islands
    who was the guy that shot Paul?


    There is so much sheer information that this show dumps on you. The acting is so good at times but then it's like they go into info dump mode to catch up the viewers on the fucking plot. 


    Also, i get where they are going thematically with Velcoro and Bezzerides but come the fuck on. We don't need this romance. I thought it woulda been fine if that ended on a hand hold. It sounds like im bitching about this episode but it really might have been the best one of the season. Paul dying hit me surprisingly hard. 

    Also, who the fuck took Bezzerides out into the woods when she was a kid? It wasnt her dad? I thought she was having visions of her dad in the house during the past episode, but then they're meeting up in this episode and it doesnt seem to be that that was the case... Maybe i'm going crazy. Really, i don't care enough about this show right now to worry about all these details and characters.

    All the characters look the same by the way. The mexican women, Pauls wife and the party girl might as well be the same person. The guy who shot Paul and the gay military guy could be fucking brothers. Ugh. Ok I'm done. 
    painsofbeingCJwriterGarrison66
  • edited August 2015
    Really liked the artfull ending, true cinema. Poor Woodrugh. As we agree the plot is convoluted but that happens as a result of the sheer amount of strings. As we know so far it all comes down to the connection Caspere, Burris and Holloway. Which villains are left for the finale? Chessani boy, Chessani himself (?), Burris, Ossip, Jacob McCandless (the landdeal guy), (Mex gang) ...
    I am interested who abused Ani as a child - Chessani?

    Just saw in the trailer that the final episode will be 90min long, so enough time I guess haha.
    My fav actor so far: Vince Vaughn although he never cheers up.


  • Who's the birdman? Can only be Lt. Burris, am I wrong?
    @broomperson I think it was again Lt. Burris who cowardly shot Woody.

    I am wondering if scarface woman has a special role in the last episode.
  • Lt...somebody that we've seen at least 2 or 3 times before (played by James Frain), was the one that killed Paul.
    browniefivedan2988
  • Question for the Psychosphere people: With 1 episode left, not one of these Bohemian Grove/constellations out of place/Moloch theories look like they'll be coming true. Just like last season. If it's true that the season was straightforward yet again and people were once again looking for things that weren't actually there, what will be your reaction? Will you want to do it all over again in Season 3? Will you be pissed that you wasted your time? Or will it not really matter one way or the other?
  • The moral of Paul's story is come out or die? I got almost nothing worthwhile from his arc. Besides killing a dozen or so nameless characters, I think that he neither accomplished anything nor grew within the narrative. It was truly groan inducing for Frain's character to be waiting for Paul next to the door blocks away from the original entrance point. I expect 24 to pull such stunts.

    I was delighted that Vera called bullshit on Ani's "rescue" of her. I'm glad that Ani is nicer to friends and family, but I wish she was more apologetic about heavily disrupting and potentially ruining their and Vera's lives.

    Frank's possession of diamonds confused me. The one he had didn't appear to be the same as Caspere's though.

    I would have liked this episode more if the premise for the heroes' dilemma wasn't built from a disastrous operation that they should have never undertook. Can't wait for the final episode - I will likely refrain from watching season 3 until all of the episodes have aired on word that the quality has improved greatly. 
    BountlynBenoîtduncanpowersAntManBeeAndrew
  • edited August 2015
    @firewalker601 I was also confused about Frank's diamonds. His are white while the lost ones are blue, hm. Where did he get those white ones? I forgot that.


    I also agree that Paul's story was a letdown. Okay the whole shootout scene was nice to watch but as you perfectly remarked most of the guys Paul kills are nameless mercenaries. That's it. And the whole Blackwater/mountain background - those guys were all there is?? And coincidentally they work on behalf the corrupted police force Holloway and Burris? Hmmmm.
    Benoît
  • @firewalker601 Frank's diamonds? I tought it was diamonds he wanted to buy with his (future) cash. Difficult to trace and easier to move maybe.
    browniefive
  • davemcbdavemcb Melbourne
    Of course Bezzerides' dad the head of the Peloponnesian Pineapple institute drives a Prius.
    duncanpowersbrowniefiveTravisCJwriter
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    edited August 2015
    I don't know what to think of this episode and season in general. One part of me says its one of the best episodes of the season and another part is disappointed. 

    I was thinking Paul was a badass but then they have him be "slow" and let his guard down and get shot in an obvious way. It was pretty obvious what was coming the minute he opened the door. 

    Ray is somehow allowed to leave that murder scene of the black chick which really makes no sense. These mi/billionaires killed her and then let dude go? Maybe someone could shed light on why they would let that happen? I get maybe following him back to his hideout but that obviously didnt happen. 

    Frank was a bad ass and literally burning everything to the ground. Really no issue with that besides that they obviously retconned why he was still alive with a simple "he knows business"

    Once again I couldn't hear or understand a lot of the conversation even with the volume turned up. Maybe I am just slow. 
  • AManIsNoOneAManIsNoOne Greensboro, NC
    I'm not sure if I'd classify this episode as good, but I'd file it under enjoyable. The constant tension in Frank's scenes keep me on the edge of my seat, as I'm always expecting a confrontation or shootout. And what I got was better than a shootout, a burning casino of defiance. The scene with Frank on the roof looking down at what he'd just done felt like something I've imagined doing myself, (obviously haven't ) but I can relate to that kind of anger from the system chewing you up and spitting you out.

    As for Paul, what a waste. He was essentially pointless.

    Ani is strangely compelling to me. I can't quite figure out what's going on in her head. She could do just about anything now and it wouldn't surprise me. While I have zero respect for any of these characters, Ani is the one I hope gets her shit together the most, and finds the answers about her childhood that she seeks.

    Ray...see ya next week because you were MIA this week, besides kissey time with Ani.

    The plot of this show is still stupid and all I have to truly enjoy are the characters, so I'm gonna try my best do that through Frank.

    I do appreciate a hour of enjoyable television, but NP is turning the TD franchise into a shit show.

    *end of rambling.
    Benoît
  • browniefivebrowniefive Minneapolis, MN
    Bountlyn said:

    @firewalker601 I was also confused about Frank's diamonds. His are white while the lost ones are blue, hm. Where did he get those white ones? I forgot that.


    Those weren't Frank's diamonds. He was getting a reading on what he'd be buying. And when he said he needed the buy to go down fast the other guy realized he was going to be dropping of a ton of CASH which meant laundering. hence the dude saying he wanted 40%.


    steph_b
  • The end of this episode had me in non-stop anxiety. I believed Paul's ability to take out everyone else, since they'd pushed the idea that he was uniquely skilled as a killer, much to his moral dismay. Getting coincidentally finished off by Impossible Man James Frain was simultaneously unbelievable and tragically appropriate. 

    I personally liked the very honesty of Ani and Ray's scene, particularly the hand-holding, but also that after all of their self-loathing layers, their eyes seemed to communicate their real selves. It wasn't just self-hate sex or power-affirmation sex. They didn't even take their clothes off, and that says something for them. 

    The caveat on that is that the whole sex-while-someone-dies trope is so tired, particularly if you're a Kurt Sutter fan. I get it. Circle of life. Yawn. Probably 90% of Sons of Anarchy episodes ended like that.

    I appreciated that Ani's sister didn't throw a huge fit, refuse to run, and end up dead. That was a surprise.

    To be honest, as soon as they started discussing "full moon" last episode, I felt none of the stargazer theories would pan out. True Detective seems determined to fill itself with mysterious Easter eggs for the sake of discussion. I doubt any of it will come up at all in the finale, which is disappointing. Again. 
    AntManBee
  • Ray is somehow allowed to leave that murder scene of the black chick which really makes no sense. These mi/billionaires killed her and then let dude go? Maybe someone could shed light on why they would let that happen? I get maybe following him back to his hideout but that obviously didnt happen. 

    I agree that it seemed unlikely they'd let him leave the scene, considering they went to the ridiculous lengths of having Burris stand at the end of a long corridor *just in case* Paul happened to kill everyone AND happen to stumble out of that door when they just finished saying there are tunnels all over the city. Keeping a patsy alive doesn't seem to be their concern. 

    I also have to ding them on that silly tunnel line: yes, everyone DOES know there are tunnels underneath most cities major cities. A bunch of former black ops guys wouldn't stand around trying to menace each other with worthless exposition like that. "And you know what else? This building right here was built in 1856!" Suddenly we're in an episode of The Strain.
  • Wow, I am really surprised by the lukewarm reactions on here. I think that episode might have been the best one of the series. People calling Paul pointless? His research broke the case this episode, finding out that Caspere was involved with the jewelry heist and pointing Ray and Ani torward the orphans. His character was tragic, not pointless. 
    browniefivetvollmer89dan2988AshleyOcean
  • browniefivebrowniefive Minneapolis, MN
    Hatorian said:

    Ray is somehow allowed to leave that murder scene of the black chick which really makes no sense. These mi/billionaires killed her and then let dude go? Maybe someone could shed light on why they would let that happen? I get maybe following him back to his hideout but that obviously didnt happen. 

    I believe this was a setup. His prints would be on the car now, so he can be (and I believe was) set up. So now Ani and Ray are wanted. They were trying to coerce Paul as well, but that ended a bit differnetly...
    HatorianpainsofbeingAntManBee
  • Hatorian said:

    e can be (and I believe was) set up. So now Ani and Ray are wanted. They were trying to coerce Paul as well, but that ended a bit differnetly...

    Ahh. good stuff. makes much more sense now. thanks. 
    browniefive
  • Paul happened to kill everyone AND happen to stumble out of that door when they just finished saying there are tunnels all over the city. 
    @duncanpowers It's not just that. Paul storyline is a bundle of coincidences and implausibility. Not unlike the rest of the script it seems.
    AManIsNoOneduncanpowers
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    This is the first episode this season that had glimmers of the classic TD tension and excitement that the first season had consistently after the first three episodes. It was still way too confusing and a lot of the dialog still sucks but hey, something actually happened that affected the main plot.

    As for Paul, conveniently his inner demons manifest in an empty warehouse in the form of a paramilitary squad of soldiers for him to kill. Now he never has to deal with the fact that he was fucking over his wife and unborn child with his lies. God forbid anyone on this show ever has to deal with problems in a human way when they can just shoot at them instead.

    BenoîtTravisDaveyMac
  • A question, an observation and another question:

    Why would the show's creators write something into a scene's dialogue and then almost immediately negate that something with the scene's subsequent action? Specifically, why highlight the vastness of options Woodrugh has to exit the city's underground tunnel network and then show him picking the (seemingly only) bad option? Other than conceding that the show doesn't play by the rules of the normal world, the one where probabilities matter, why challenge your own statistics?

    And,

    So we know how they framed Ray -- the whole dead DA in the car trick (nice) -- but all Ani's APB says is something like "to question the death/killing of a security guard." I know it's kinda irrelevant but, can we assume that the dead security guard in Ani's APB was actually killed by Woodrugh/Velcoro outside the mansion/sex party? I can't really recall.. did they kill any guards or did they just knock 'em out?

  • As for Paul, conveniently his inner demons manifest in an empty warehouse in the form of a paramilitary squad of soldiers for him to kill. Now he never has to deal with the fact that he was fucking over his wife and unborn child with his lies. God forbid anyone on this show ever has to deal with problems in a human way when they can just shoot at them instead.



    WOOO! I got one right!

    It is kind of funny. I wonder if they deal at all with his mother and fiancé, or are they just kind of in the hotel room and that's it.

    @rljr It's the security guard that she knifed up at the party.

  • DrewDrew indianapolis
    edited August 2015
    Holy shit called Frank not knowing about the rapist.

    Didn't see Paul dying, hyped the finale is 90 minutes.
    Travis
  • kingbee67kingbee67 Los Angeles Ca.
    "Look into my eyes I wanna watch your lights go out."
    TravisHatorianbrowniefiveAManIsNoOneksa1001
  • kingbee67 said:

    "Look into my eyes I wanna watch your lights go out."

    HELL YEAH! I loved that.
    ksa1001
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