202 - "Night Finds You"

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  • edited June 2015
    I don't think nor hope Ray is dead, on the other side his character would have been a great red herring which would be awesome in a way.

    I fear that Anis father has a major role to play, maybe related to the main antagonist?

    Edit: had found this, beware, not taking any responsibilities
    --don't click this - spoils you--
    tom_gksa1001
  • broompersonbroomperson the Iron Islands
    ksa1001 said:

    Any of yall suck robot dicks?

    Man with lines like that one you can see why some of the reviews have been way harsh. Take that stilted writing and add in that most reviews feel duped for having heaped acclaim on season 1 only to have a plagiarism scandal come about and you have a lot of reviewers watching those first three episodes with their arms crossed ready to hate/hate on it.
    Yeah on the lines like that it's like you can literally hear the gears grind behind the scenes. Seems like Pizolatto is trying to capture lightning in a bottle twice, but I think Rays character is just a little too on the nose for me. Im enjoying the show alright, but a lot of the dialogue either seems very forced or terribly bland. No middle ground
  • broompersonbroomperson the Iron Islands
    edited June 2015

    So there's a guy running around in a bird mask shooting the dicks off corrupt assholes, are we supposed to be rooting against him?

    Not just corrupt assholes, but a corrupt pedophile asshole! Go Birdman, Wooo!!!!
  • elgat0elgat0 Clearwater
    ksa1001 said:

    Any of yall suck robot dicks?

    Man with lines like that one you can see why some of the reviews have been way harsh. Take that stilted writing and add in that most reviews feel duped for having heaped acclaim on season 1 only to have a plagiarism scandal come about and you have a lot of reviewers watching those first three episodes with their arms crossed ready to hate/hate on it.
    I got that vibe from the reviews I read as well.

     I was not able to track all of the dialogue while watching last night and will need to watch it again with CC to get a better feel for it.  That aside, E2 felt like big notch above E1.
  • historicstorkhistoricstork Detroitburbs

    While the credits were rolling I was wondering why bother wearing a mask if you are just going to kill somebody?

    My first two thoughts: a) blood splatter & b) what if your target escapes?

    From Hannibal:
    image

    I think the question raised by this last scene is "is this crow/raven someone we have already met?" It appears to be a man, and there are a few guys introduced so far who could match the tall stature of the masked man. Looking at Casper's first home, the message could be interpreted as "fuck all this," or maybe "you fucked with the wrong people." Maybe it's just a big power play.

    My theory is that the crow is Blake Churchman, the ginger. He a) could be the father of Ray's kid, b) could begrudge Frank's power, and/or c) would have intimate knowledge of Vinci politics thanks to his proximity to Frank. Blake's interactions with Frank are interesting. He shows Frank the corruption article, tells him that Casper hasn't been to work in two days, and he seems pretty leery of Ray. Is Casper's murder a power play by Blake or is he involved with Osip? If the dead Casper scenes are out of order from the rest of episode 1, it might give Blake time away from Frank to commit the torture and murder. 

    I could be way off about Blake, but Osip definitely thought the possibility of Casper showing up was a joke. It would be interesting to find out that Blake is Osip's guy who is implanted as a kind of "due diligence." 

    The speculation is the fun part of this show, and I look forward to more theories about who is the crow.

    tl;dr: never trust a ginger.
    ksa1001Travis
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    First off, I'm a robot dick sucker.  Cecily started last year as a tool to quit smoking, and I was attracted by the technology of it, and the taste of some of the dessert type vapors in lieu of late night snacking.  

    Secondly, the assumption that the Crow is wearing a mask as a purely functional disguise I think is probably misguided.  There is clearly some sort of ritual craziness at play here.

    Thirdly, if Ray comes back next week, that's going to be a pretty brutal podcast.  This is only a bold and interesting choice if they follow through, in my opinion.  I thought they were going with the bean bag rounds at first when he took one to the chest, but that follow up shot to the gut, no way. Peaky Blinders did that kind of shit once and it put me off the show for several months before I dipped my toe back in.

    Please, NP, for the sake of our podcast, please don't bring Ray back. 
    historicstorkTravis
  • My first thought on the crow's mask guy was the sleazy mayor, played by Ritchie Coster.
    Travis
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco

    Thirdly, if Ray comes back next week, that's going to be a pretty brutal podcast.  This is only a bold and interesting choice if they follow through, in my opinion.  I thought they were going with the bean bag rounds at first when he took one to the chest, but that follow up shot to the gut, no way. Peaky Blinders did that kind of shit once and it put me off the show for several months before I dipped my toe back in.


    Please, NP, for the sake of our podcast, please don't bring Ray back. 
    It sort of feels like they might do that, the situation with his son feels unresolved but maybe they intended the wife moving towards sole custody to be the resolution of that plot line.

    I wish they had knocked off Vaughn's cornball gangster instead. He talks like the villain of a PG comedy for babies reading the diary of a depressed teenager.
  • historicstorkhistoricstork Detroitburbs
    I'm under the impression that the crow mask came from Casper's porn(?) house. It wouldn't be True Detective without some fucked up rituals and beliefs, so I don't see it as purely functional. I'm wondering what to read into the fact that the camera and modem are still running. Fortunately, my modem doesn't make any of that noise. Sounds like a Geiger Counter.

    Mayor Chessani seems a little too short to be the crow. Someone working for him? Maybe. 

    I sucked a robot dick once in Denver. That really did the trick. The size doesn't matter; it's the substance that counts. ;)
    AntManBee
  • broompersonbroomperson the Iron Islands

    My first thought on the crow's mask guy was the sleazy mayor, played by Ritchie Coster.


    THATS who that actor is! The Dark Knight guy who says "das why we bring Doogs"


    I had been trying to place him all episode and all morning...
    ksa1001
  • broompersonbroomperson the Iron Islands

    First off, I'm a robot dick sucker.  Cecily started last year as a tool to quit smoking, and I was attracted by the technology of it, and the taste of some of the dessert type vapors in lieu of late night snacking.  


    Secondly, the assumption that the Crow is wearing a mask as a purely functional disguise I think is probably misguided.  There is clearly some sort of ritual craziness at play here.

    Thirdly, if Ray comes back next week, that's going to be a pretty brutal podcast.  This is only a bold and interesting choice if they follow through, in my opinion.  I thought they were going with the bean bag rounds at first when he took one to the chest, but that follow up shot to the gut, no way. Peaky Blinders did that kind of shit once and it put me off the show for several months before I dipped my toe back in.

    Please, NP, for the sake of our podcast, please don't bring Ray back. 
    I still haven't dipped my toe back into Peaky Blinders months after that first episode. I hated that ending to the pilot. True Detective will have their work cut out for them if they're going to try to play it off like Velcoro isn't dead. I hate that type of bullshit. My first impression was that they did this for shock value because they knew they would need a boost

    Travisghm3
  • Can't help but lots of things in this show look or are actually dated. What does that mean?

    examples:
    - TV set behind Colin Farrell while interrogating
    - old (1978 hehe) cadillac seville?
    - hillside clinic bureau of Dr.No, his clothing
    - Ray's clothing, awful
  • TravisTravis CA
    edited June 2015

    Is anyone else feeling like NP geared up for this season with a big Twin Peaks marathon? Not on the nose, but there is a vibe to it that evokes a feeling. Maybe it's just me, and maybe it was just a combination of the eccentric, kind of sleazy shrink (and some other quirky/corrupt characters) and the feel in the murder house, but I had that thought a couple of times. I could also be fairly accused of being one who probably subconsciously looks for things to evoke Twin Peaks, but it came to mind all the same.

    I too am a robot dick sucker. Maybe it's just because of that, but I actually did laugh out loud when he said that. I can kind of see what he means. The thing about how he "felt like it was smoking me" too. It's normal for me now, but those first couple of drags made me think some things like that.

    I liked this episode a little more than the first and I liked that one pretty well. I like the various police agencies working with while working against each other and I think Velcoro was right about the team being set up to fail in general. I like stories like this where you have a ton of different interests pulling in different directions. The only trick is that the deeper you dig, the better the payoff has to be. Fingers crossed, but I'm hooked. I'm pretty bummed that we have to wait a week to get further into it.

    Thanks, @Bountlyn for the research into the paintings. That was all very interesting.

    historicstorkAntManBee
  • that scene with all of the cops in the airplane hanger(?) talking about the case was amazingly stilted/off. not sure what to make of each cop's behavior in that scene. it was very strange. gonna rewatch tonight with special attention given to that one.
    steph_b
  • Any chance the rest of this series is set in current times?  Since most of what we have seen so far is October of 2015, maybe Ray will be in the rest of the series; just in a different timeframe.  
    historicstork
  • historicstorkhistoricstork Detroitburbs

    that scene with all of the cops in the airplane hanger(?) talking about the case was amazingly stilted/off. not sure what to make of each cop's behavior in that scene. it was very strange. gonna rewatch tonight with special attention given to that one.

    I read that scene as a display of mistrust. The four characters have to work together, and they're all holding knives behind their backs. Woodrugh tells some story about wanting to hit a guy at the bank for hitting on him, and Dixon's response is "why would you do that?" So Dixon appears to be onto Woodrugh's sexuality, which is evident later in the episode. Then, Dixon openly gives zero fucks and walks out when they're all trying to review the case.

    Velcoro interactions in this scene seem to portray contemplation about whether he should trust Bezzerides, who trusts nobody. All of this makes for a very awkward scene, and I read it as believable even if it's not fun to watch.
  • I don't know about you guys, but Vince Vaughn finally sold me with his speech about being afraid he died in his father's basement and everything else is a dream with certain "glitches in the matrix" tipping hime off to that. Maybe it's just because I'm a schizo who has that fear as well, but that really worked for me. 
    TravisAntManBeeNikkiP
  • hypergenesbhypergenesb Atlanta
    edited June 2015

    that scene with all of the cops in the airplane hanger(?) talking about the case was amazingly stilted/off. not sure what to make of each cop's behavior in that scene. it was very strange. gonna rewatch tonight with special attention given to that one.

    I read that scene as a display of mistrust. The four characters have to work together, and they're all holding knives behind their backs. Woodrugh tells some story about wanting to hit a guy at the bank for hitting on him, and Dixon's response is "why would you do that?" So Dixon appears to be onto Woodrugh's sexuality, which is evident later in the episode. Then, Dixon openly gives zero fucks and walks out when they're all trying to review the case.

    Velcoro interactions in this scene seem to portray contemplation about whether he should trust Bezzerides, who trusts nobody. All of this makes for a very awkward scene, and I read it as believable even if it's not fun to watch.
    i get that. it didn't just feel awkward from the awkwardness of the characters and their motivations. it felted stilted in a weird way. Can't explain it that well after only one viewing. But the scene felt like it didn't understand it's place in the story. Like a tacked on scene. It lacked the storyteller's assurance/confidence that we see in other scenes. I don't know...
    Bountlynsteph_b
  • Yeah, I am also not off on Vince Vaughn here. Actually, and maybe it's because I had pretty low expectations coming in, but I think he's doing a decent job. Sure, they could have cast it better but I am not finding him to be bad at all. He's had a few very good scenes so far. I really enjoyed the scene talking about being locked in the basement. I wouldn't say he's setting the world on fire here, but I certainly haven't seen him as a problem.
    BountlynAntManBeeNikkiP
  • edited June 2015
    Thx @Travis, appreciate your comment :)

    that scene with all of the cops in the airplane hanger(?) talking about the case was amazingly stilted/off. not sure what to make of each cop's behavior in that scene. it was very strange. gonna rewatch tonight with special attention given to that one.

    I have not rewatched it yet, but my first thought was this resembles Rust Cohle's hidden garage war room in season 1.

    As for the whole Guerneville commune I have another assumption that all of you probably already know:
    If you look closely at 00:13 during the intro of the show, you can clearly recognise Ani's father silouette and a group of naked women in a pool (-preparing for an orgy?). Considering him mentioning Ginsberg, who was gay and his works offended people at his time, he seems open to extreme things, he even counters his daughter with "well... what is pornography?". So again, I bet he has some ties to the murder case and the somewhat occult (?) club going on there. Why else show him right in the first episode. I wonder if it comes so far that Ani has to arrest her father, hm.

    Antigone is not my favourite but most ambivalent character. I mean, she's against porn and cares about her sisters social standing, but secretly she is watching porn videos. The great crookedness of our society, isn't it. Her name means somewhat like "against judgement", while Velcoro states in ep1 "I welcome judgement", so there is so much work ahead in their relationship that I really doubt Ray is really dead.

    - VVaughn: also think that ppl are way too harsh with his performance.
    And still: Metascore 61? tz tz




    ksa1001
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    @Travis I just can't get over that goofy gangster kingpin dialect he's going for. Maybe it'll work better as he transitions deeper back into his old self and cracks a few more skulls instead of talking about paper mache.
    Travis
  • edited June 2015
    Anybody else notice the Bird Mask in Dr. Pitlor's (Rick Springfield's) office? It's right behind Colin Farrell when he's sitting there interviewing him. HUGE foreshadowing. Could he be the shooter? Is the bird mask just part of a  bizzaro sex cult that Pitlor and Casper were in? I know this season has a ton of hokie dialogue but it's turning in to some good old fashioned film noir.

    https://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/bird1.png?w=635
    TravisUnderwoodsteph_b
  • @bizmarkiefader Totally fair. I can definitely see what you're talking about, and maybe I'm just giving him credit for a grittier future because I believe that's where we're going. I thought the "car accident" scene was a great indicator of where he is going and I really liked that scene, and him in it.

  • @Geoff I can't wait to re-watch the episode. I've only seen it once and my wife caught that, but I missed it and she didn't point it out until a point where they didn't show it again.
  • Frakkin TFrakkin T Currently Offline
    Bountlyn said:

    I don't think nor hope Ray is dead, on the other side his character would have been a great red herring which would be awesome in a way.

    I fear that Anis father has a major role to play, maybe related to the main antagonist?

    Edit: had found this, beware, not taking any responsibilities
    --don't click this - spoils you--

    Clicked it 'cause I had to know. I'm done. This season is going to suck HARD.
  • All I have to say at this time is that this show now has everyone referring to e-cigarettes as robot dicks. That's brilliant writing in my book.
    hypergenesbTravisBountlynsteph_bhistoricstork
  • edited June 2015
    Travis said:

    @Travis "Is anyone else feeling like NP geared up for this season with a big Twin Peaks marathon? Not on the nose, but there is a vibe to it that evokes a feeling. Maybe it's just me, and maybe it was just a combination of the eccentric, kind of sleazy shrink (and some other quirky/corrupt characters) and the feel in the murder house, but I had that thought a couple of times. I could also be fairly accused of being one who probably subconsciously looks for things to evoke Twin Peaks, but it came to mind all the same."


    As someone who views TP as really the dawn of the golden age of TV, I
    look for the same things all the time. To be honest with you, I see more
    similarities with TD Season 1 than with this season so far. You had the
    instant unveiling of the nude female murder victim, the quirky
    detective in Rust, the mysterious far flung center of this cult in
    Carcosa (as opposed to the Black Lodge), Marty as the staight man to the
    quirky detective (think the TP Sheriff to Cooper), and the rural
    landscape playing a huge part in the show's overall mood and atmosphere
    (Louisiana vs. Washington State).
    Travis
  • ksa1001ksa1001 Plano, TX
    Bountlyn said:

    I don't think nor hope Ray is dead, on the other side his character would have been a great red herring which would be awesome in a way.

    I fear that Anis father has a major role to play, maybe related to the main antagonist?

    Edit: had found this, beware, not taking any responsibilities
    --don't click this - spoils you--

    Completely missed this until @Frakkin T quoted it.

    NICE FIND. Gotta love this day and age of leaks online.
  • edited June 2015
    I think you can deduce the letdown of this season from two elements that are missing:

    - no Cary Fuckunaga: maybe his contribution is not that much appreciated because of the showrunner's omnipresence. When he won the Emmy he didn't even mention Pizzo in his speech (!) and Nic P is probably angry because he pursues his own projects now, Beasts of No Nation, a african child-in-war drama.
    Justin Lin may have his qualities but it seems dialogues are a bit cold, less vibrant. I mean, no humor?

    - No humor? ever? They focus so much on being serious, showing life itself in its core, gushing over physological drama but forget that life is also rich of humoristic situations, or not? Even people in war tell jokes because this sad sitffness makes you sick.

    just my 2 cents
    Elisatom_gDaveyMac
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    @Bountlyn There wasn't much humor in the first season but what was there mostly stemmed from Marty clashing with Rust and pointing out how ridiculous he sounds and acts. Like Jim was saying in the podcast and a lot of people are talking about on reddit, that missing element is a huge part of why this season feels awkward. They need someone to be able to say "dude, it's just a fucking water stain go back to sleep" to bring balance to some of these scenes.
    Bountlynksa1001
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