The Omarosa stuff is hilarious. I would never describe her as credible, but the strategy of making inflammatory accusations, waiting for the predictable absolute denials, and then releasing recordings to show the denials to be lies is devious.
Yeah, had to laugh at that myself. She's a shameless grifter, but she knows how they operate.
In Australia yesterday, one of our far right politicians gave his maiden speech in parliament, calling for an end to immigration of all Muslims, and used the words “final solution”. What a proud moment for us all...
In Australia yesterday, one of our far right politicians gave his maiden speech in parliament, calling for an end to immigration of all Muslims, and used the words “final solution”. What a proud moment for us all...
OMG final solution? Read a book or something folks. That’s pathetic and/or alarming.
In Australia yesterday, one of our far right politicians gave his maiden speech in parliament, calling for an end to immigration of all Muslims, and used the words “final solution”. What a proud moment for us all...
Qanon and PIzzagate are projection tactics, accusing the other side of what you're guilty of. Trump launders money for global organized crime--that's human trafficking, kiddie porn, blood diamonds, drugs, guns, murder for hire, corruption, you name it. And it's all going to come out.
huh? (with regards to the laundering money for global organized crime)
Publicly available reporting going back decades, conveniently NOT covered at all during the election or the presidency
You can bet Mueller has everything this author has, and more.
Penn Gillette, who is Libertarian, confirms that Trump made racially insensitive remarks and remarks demeaning women in his presence during Celebrity Apprentice and he has no doubt that there are tapes.
I agree that the release of these tapes, or the tape of which Omarosa speaks, will not detract from the support of Trump’s base. I honestly don’t know what he would have to do to lose that support. Maybe calling them all a bunch of gullible rubes on an accidental live mike at a rally in front of 10,000 witnesses? No, probably not.
Is this guy the only baker in the Denver area? He will end up winning again in the long run, especially once Kavanaugh is confirmed. If you want to run the guy out of business then just boycott him like every other LGBTQ person in Denver does already I would assume, instead of calling the Colorado Civil Rights Commission who is gonna get spanked by the Supreme Court once it's all said and done.
Penn Gillette, who is Libertarian, confirms that Trump made racially insensitive remarks and remarks demeaning women in his presence during Celebrity Apprentice and he has no doubt that there are tapes.
I agree that the release of these tapes, or the tape of which Omarosa speaks, will not detract from the support of Trump’s base. I honestly don’t know what he would have to do to lose that support. Maybe calling them all a bunch of gullible rubes on an accidental live mike at a rally in front of 10,000 witnesses? No, probably not.
What will detract Trump's base is Trump's base thinking about what would detract Trump's base.
It’s kind of pointless to consider what will and will not erode Trump’s base because he’s already historically unpopular given how far along he is in his presidency. Nixon still had 24 % approval in the midst of impeachment proceedings and given how hyper partisan politics have become its difficult to imagine Trump would get that low even were he to be impeached for no shit, legit collusion charges. The die hard Trump voters will always be die hard Trump voters until they’re not and there’s no point in determining what that point would be. The better measurement therefore is to measure Trump’s approval among swing voters, reluctant Republicans, and Obama-Trump voters. If those are also consistently bad then it doesn’t really matter how many hardcore Republicans support Trump, he’ll lose badly in 2020 without some kind of median support.
Fuck trying to win over Republicans who don't like Trump, I get the appeal because establishment Dems have way more in common with them than they do with anybody left of Obama but it's a losing strategy and we saw that in 2016. Win over the people who don't vote yet by giving them something they can actually support. Have some policy goals that materially improve the lives of someone other than the Lehman brothers and stop telling people nothing good is possible while bumping up the military budget 100 billion dollars a year. The Democratic party needs an overhaul all the way to the top.
Is this guy the only baker in the Denver area? He will end up winning again in the long run, especially once Kavanaugh is confirmed. If you want to run the guy out of business then just boycott him like every other LGBTQ person in Denver does already I would assume, instead of calling the Colorado Civil Rights Commission who is gonna get spanked by the Supreme Court once it's all said and done.
Not necessarily. The last ruling was viewed as somewhat narrow - that the commission did not give him a fair hearing and was hostile towards his religion, but did not directly rule on the constitutionality of refusing service to a gay couple based on his religious beliefs. So if the commission handles this case in a more fair manner, theoretically the outcome could be different. But with Kavanaugh replacing Kennedy you're probably right that the scales tilt towards the baker.
Justice Anthony Kennedy, who handed down the 7-2 ruling in the Masterpiece Cakeshop case, was explicit about this. As he wrote in the decision’s most important paragraph:
The outcome of cases like this in other circumstances must await further elaboration in the courts, all in the context of recognizing that these disputes must be resolved with tolerance, without undue disrespect to sincere religious beliefs, and without subjecting gay persons to indignities when they seek goods and services in an open market.
What this means, in short, is that the Supreme Court has punted on the broader issues involved, narrowing its ruling to the specific circumstances of this individual case, and that what it said should not be interpreted as giving other businesses carte blanche to do what Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop, did.
I remain concerned that Trump is in hailing distance of Obama's approval ratings during his first term in the swing states Clinton lost. Imagine if the economy stays decent and Russia ends up going away with fines and some convictions for people in the campaign, but not Trump.
Fuck trying to win over Republicans who don't like Trump, I get the appeal because establishment Dems have way more in common with them than they do with anybody left of Obama but it's a losing strategy and we saw that in 2016. Win over the people who don't vote yet by giving them something they can actually support. Have some policy goals that materially improve the lives of someone other than the Lehman brothers and stop telling people nothing good is possible while bumping up the military budget 100 billion dollars a year. The Democratic party needs an overhaul all the way to the top.
I wish there was a "love" button for posts like this. Totally agree 100%
I remain concerned that Trump is in hailing distance of Obama's approval ratings during his first term in the swing states Clinton lost. Imagine if the economy stays decent and Russia ends up going away with fines and some convictions for people in the campaign, but not Trump.
My take is that the 2018 midterms are going to be the most consequential midterms if not the most consequential overall election season in history. That's what I want to focus on and that's what I want dem politicians focused on. If we take back the house that's a new ballgame and will likely make all the difference come 2020. Dems controlling the house means investigations, subpoena power, a check on Trump's agenda. Way too important to start looking past it to the next POTUS election.
@Doctor_Nick That’s certainly true however given how well the economy is going one would normally expect Trump to be doing far far better than he’s currently just based on past experiences. It’s entirely possible that Trump could win re-election but also his position right now seems solely based on the strength of the economy and the perception that he has not yet gotten us into war with North Korea. Certainly nothing to be complacent about but also the odds that Trump can maintain stability for the remainder after two years of not doing that seems less and less likely.
Basically if the average voter realizes that those tax cuts have in fact not improved their everyday life and also if Trump’s weird trade wars continue to hurt the average Trumpian voter then he really doesn’t have much else to hold up as an accomplishment.
You need to do some serious modelling and estimating to figure out if this strategy will work. With turnout estimates you're pulling out of your hat, which seems risky. Bird in the hand vs bird in the bush effect. I'm also not sure that you need ticked off Republicans to vote for you as long as they vote for a 3rd part or stay home. Though I think Trump is going to remain a pretty weak candidate overall...
Yeah, also 2020 is sort of too far off to really litigate right now given how many things could happen between now and then. It’s probably best to to wait and see how the midterms turn out.
Fuck trying to win over Republicans who don't like Trump, I get the appeal because establishment Dems have way more in common with them than they do with anybody left of Obama but it's a losing strategy and we saw that in 2016. Win over the people who don't vote yet by giving them something they can actually support. Have some policy goals that materially improve the lives of someone other than the Lehman brothers and stop telling people nothing good is possible while bumping up the military budget 100 billion dollars a year. The Democratic party needs an overhaul all the way to the top.
I agree 100% - the effort is not to win over Republicans, it is to expose them, to grow the opposition (register!), and to stay energized.
The GOP is taking this country in the wrong direction.
Is this guy the only baker in the Denver area? He will end up winning again in the long run, especially once Kavanaugh is confirmed. If you want to run the guy out of business then just boycott him like every other LGBTQ person in Denver does already I would assume, instead of calling the Colorado Civil Rights Commission who is gonna get spanked by the Supreme Court once it's all said and done.
Not necessarily. The last ruling was viewed as somewhat narrow - that the commission did not give him a fair hearing and was hostile towards his religion, but did not directly rule on the constitutionality of refusing service to a gay couple based on his religious beliefs. So if the commission handles this case in a more fair manner, theoretically the outcome could be different. But with Kavanaugh replacing Kennedy you're probably right that the scales tilt towards the baker.
Justice Anthony Kennedy, who handed down the 7-2 ruling in the Masterpiece Cakeshop case, was explicit about this. As he wrote in the decision’s most important paragraph:
The outcome of cases like this in other circumstances must await further elaboration in the courts, all in the context of recognizing that these disputes must be resolved with tolerance, without undue disrespect to sincere religious beliefs, and without subjecting gay persons to indignities when they seek goods and services in an open market.
What this means, in short, is that the Supreme Court has punted on the broader issues involved, narrowing its ruling to the specific circumstances of this individual case, and that what it said should not be interpreted as giving other businesses carte blanche to do what Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop, did.
If this second bite at the apple gets to the Supreme Court I don't think it will be punted down the road. I know they made a narrow ruling the first time, but with Kavanaugh around the conservative Supremes can be more bold and make a ruling that won't be watered down. It's obvious the trans person who asked for the cake did so because they wanted an avenue to complain/sue Masterpiece and the commission is taking the opportunity to get revenge on Phillips. They will be nicer about it to an extent, but in the end I am betting the Supremes will make a more firm ruling on being able to refuse service based on freedom of religion.
@anubus21 so just to be clear, you're in favor of legal discrimination against LGBTQ people if the person doing the discriminating believes that an imaginary man in the sky tells them to?
@anubus21 so just to be clear, you're in favor of legal discrimination against LGBTQ people if the person doing the discriminating believes that an imaginary man in the sky tells them to?
1. I didn't say I was in favor of any legal discrimination, I was stating what I believe to be the outcome of this whole scenario so do me a favor and don't try and put words in my mouth B. You may not be religious, but don't be a jerk and say that crap about believing in an imaginary man in the sky. The guy believes in his religion and it informs upon his daily life. If you don't like it then that is your prerogative, but not everyone on this forum is an aetheist who think everyone who is religious is delusional (to note, I am agnostic) 7. Tell me you are excited about the new Stark Trek that will have Jean Luc back and did you see the new guy who will play Spock on Discovery? Section B, sub paragraph 12. I think people should be able to do what they want with their businesses. Your religion informs on your decisions that much then go ahead and say no to making the cake but be prepared for the consequences. Same way the restaurant owner was in her rights to ask Sarah Sanders to leave her restaurant. Same as A.Ron and Jim making new policy on the forums about what they believe, it's their choice and they are within their rights business owners to do it. Life is about choices and free will, you just have to be ready for the consequences of your choices should there be any P.S. I could care less if I owned a cake or bakery business (I do love baking) and an LGBTQ person or couple came in looking for a wedding cake or a cake to celebrate their gender change. Their money is as green as yours or mine and I will happily take it. But the person who asked for the 2nd cake knew what he/she was doing and is trying to stir up more shit that the Supremes will, IMO, knock down so I don't really see how it is helping anyone in the LGBTQ community to repeat the same shit again.
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You can bet Mueller has everything this author has, and more.
House of Putin, House of Trump
I agree that the release of these tapes, or the tape of which Omarosa speaks, will not detract from the support of Trump’s base. I honestly don’t know what he would have to do to lose that support. Maybe calling them all a bunch of gullible rubes on an accidental live mike at a rally in front of 10,000 witnesses? No, probably not.
Is this guy the only baker in the Denver area? He will end up winning again in the long run, especially once Kavanaugh is confirmed. If you want to run the guy out of business then just boycott him like every other LGBTQ person in Denver does already I would assume, instead of calling the Colorado Civil Rights Commission who is gonna get spanked by the Supreme Court once it's all said and done.
What will detract Trump's base is Trump's base thinking about what would detract Trump's base.
Not necessarily. The last ruling was viewed as somewhat narrow - that the commission did not give him a fair hearing and was hostile towards his religion, but did not directly rule on the constitutionality of refusing service to a gay couple based on his religious beliefs. So if the commission handles this case in a more fair manner, theoretically the outcome could be different. But with Kavanaugh replacing Kennedy you're probably right that the scales tilt towards the baker.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/6/4/17425294/supreme-court-masterpiece-cakeshop-gay-wedding-cake-baker-ruling
That’s certainly true however given how well the economy is going one would normally expect Trump to be doing far far better than he’s currently just based on past experiences. It’s entirely possible that Trump could win re-election but also his position right now seems solely based on the strength of the economy and the perception that he has not yet gotten us into war with North Korea. Certainly nothing to be complacent about but also the odds that Trump can maintain stability for the remainder after two years of not doing that seems less and less likely.
The GOP is taking this country in the wrong direction.
B. You may not be religious, but don't be a jerk and say that crap about believing in an imaginary man in the sky. The guy believes in his religion and it informs upon his daily life. If you don't like it then that is your prerogative, but not everyone on this forum is an aetheist who think everyone who is religious is delusional (to note, I am agnostic)
7. Tell me you are excited about the new Stark Trek that will have Jean Luc back and did you see the new guy who will play Spock on Discovery?
Section B, sub paragraph 12. I think people should be able to do what they want with their businesses. Your religion informs on your decisions that much then go ahead and say no to making the cake but be prepared for the consequences. Same way the restaurant owner was in her rights to ask Sarah Sanders to leave her restaurant. Same as A.Ron and Jim making new policy on the forums about what they believe, it's their choice and they are within their rights business owners to do it. Life is about choices and free will, you just have to be ready for the consequences of your choices should there be any
P.S. I could care less if I owned a cake or bakery business (I do love baking) and an LGBTQ person or couple came in looking for a wedding cake or a cake to celebrate their gender change. Their money is as green as yours or mine and I will happily take it. But the person who asked for the 2nd cake knew what he/she was doing and is trying to stir up more shit that the Supremes will, IMO, knock down so I don't really see how it is helping anyone in the LGBTQ community to repeat the same shit again.