7. Tell me you are excited about the new Stark Trek that will have Jean Luc back and did you see the new guy who will play Spock on Discovery? Section B, sub paragraph 12.
I don't understand what you mean here^^ If you want to talk about Trek I'll gladly take it to another thread. One of my favorite topics.
Yes, I was flippant about religion but that shouldn't matter. We are a nation of laws, not of gods and I'm not sorry. The minute someone's god tries to restrict others' freedom it becomes worthy of nothing but ridicule.
@anubus21 so just to be clear, you're in favor of legal discrimination against LGBTQ people if the person doing the discriminating believes that an imaginary man in the sky tells them to?
Well would you support ticketing LGBT people who don’t shop at a particular business because of the owners religion? Because that’s discrimination too
@anubus21 so just to be clear, you're in favor of legal discrimination against LGBTQ people if the person doing the discriminating believes that an imaginary man in the sky tells them to?
Well would you support ticketing LGBT people who don’t shop at a particular business because of the owners religion? Because that’s discrimination too
The biggest problem with the "religious freedom" angle is that there's absolutely nothing biblical about discriminating against gay people. The bible defines homosexuality as a sin, it also defines lying, stealing, cheating on your wife etc as a sin. So unless you refuse to do business with people who lie etc you aren't exercising your religious freedom when you deny service to a gay person, you're just being a homophobic asshole.
@anubus21 The reason why this is different than what the restaurant owner did to Sanders and what Jim & Aron are doing here is that the LGBTQ community have been afforded protections under the law.
Well because democrats say they’ll leave the country if they lose an election, if someone like Sanders or Cortez wins the presidential election in 2020 I’m packing my bags and leaving for Chile, now that I’ve been here two weeks this is such a much better place, I mean they have flawless highways supported by tolls and I stopped one of the tollbooths to pay and the lady had her rosary and a “Dio es Amor” board on display in the booth window, just imagine how triggered your average American leftist would be to pay a highway toll and had to notice the lady collecting it might be religious.
@anubus21 so just to be clear, you're in favor of legal discrimination against LGBTQ people if the person doing the discriminating believes that an imaginary man in the sky tells them to?
Well would you support ticketing LGBT people who don’t shop at a particular business because of the owners religion? Because that’s discrimination too
No, it isn't. Stop with the disingenuous bullshit.
@anubus21 so just to be clear, you're in favor of legal discrimination against LGBTQ people if the person doing the discriminating believes that an imaginary man in the sky tells them to?
Well would you support ticketing LGBT people who don’t shop at a particular business because of the owners religion? Because that’s discrimination too
@anubus21 so just to be clear, you're in favor of legal discrimination against LGBTQ people if the person doing the discriminating believes that an imaginary man in the sky tells them to?
Well would you support ticketing LGBT people who don’t shop at a particular business because of the owners religion? Because that’s discrimination too
Lol, this is like when people were saying they weren't going to fly United after they dragged the doctor off the plane and this weird pocket of dudes on twitter were calling for boycotters to be arrested for "economic terrorism". Just steer the conversation in the dumbest possible direction to muddle the waters.
7. Tell me you are excited about the new Stark Trek that will have Jean Luc back and did you see the new guy who will play Spock on Discovery? Section B, sub paragraph 12.
I don't understand what you mean here^^ If you want to talk about Trek I'll gladly take it to another thread. One of my favorite topics.
Yes, I was flippant about religion but that shouldn't matter. We are a nation of laws, not of gods and I'm not sorry. The minute someone's god tries to restrict others' freedom it becomes worthy of nothing but ridicule.
I was injecting some playfulness into the response, do love me some Trek as well. As for religion, you are in the minority in the nation as whole and a lot of people still live by the rules of God and what their religion teaches them about homosexuality. I don't believe it's a sin nor do I think anyone who is LGBTQ is going straight to hell. But I don't ridicule people who wish to be more strict with their faith cause it's their choice.
Let me put it to ya this way...would you buy a cake from that guy if you lived in Denver? Probably not and I assume you would tell your friends not to as well. If they want to hurt the guy then don't buy his cakes and let him be who he wants. It'll hurt his business and then ya never have to worry about it again once he has to close up shop.
@anubus21 so just to be clear, you're in favor of legal discrimination against LGBTQ people if the person doing the discriminating believes that an imaginary man in the sky tells them to?
Well would you support ticketing LGBT people who don’t shop at a particular business because of the owners religion? Because that’s discrimination too
No, it isn't. Stop with the disingenuous bullshit.
Yes it is.
It is choosing not to engage in a business transaction with someone else because of a characteristic of the other party. If someone is discriminatory in the decision to sell then being discriminatory in a decision to buy, since both parties are supposed to be equals, is the same thing
The biggest problem with the "religious freedom" angle is that there's absolutely nothing biblical about discriminating against gay people. The bible defines homosexuality as a sin, it also defines lying, stealing, cheating on your wife etc as a sin. So unless you refuse to do business with people who lie etc you aren't exercising your religious freedom when you deny service to a gay person, you're just being a homophobic asshole.
@anubus21 The reason why this is different than what the restaurant owner did to Sanders and what Jim & Aron are doing here is that the LGBTQ community have been afforded protections under the law.
7. Tell me you are excited about the new Stark Trek that will have Jean Luc back and did you see the new guy who will play Spock on Discovery? Section B, sub paragraph 12.
I don't understand what you mean here^^ If you want to talk about Trek I'll gladly take it to another thread. One of my favorite topics.
Yes, I was flippant about religion but that shouldn't matter. We are a nation of laws, not of gods and I'm not sorry. The minute someone's god tries to restrict others' freedom it becomes worthy of nothing but ridicule.
I was injecting some playfulness into the response, do love me some Trek as well. As for religion, you are in the minority in the nation as whole and a lot of people still live by the rules of God and what their religion teaches them about homosexuality. I don't believe it's a sin nor do I think anyone who is LGBTQ is going straight to hell. But I don't ridicule people who wish to be more strict with their faith cause it's their choice.
Let me put it to ya this way...would you buy a cake from that guy if you lived in Denver? Probably not and I assume you would tell your friends not to as well. If they want to hurt the guy then don't buy his cakes and let him be who he wants. It'll hurt his business and then ya never have to worry about it again once he has to close up shop.
If someone refused service to an adulterer then that’s not a protected class and thus it would never make the news, it probably happens all the time and just never gets covered
@anubus21 so just to be clear, you're in favor of legal discrimination against LGBTQ people if the person doing the discriminating believes that an imaginary man in the sky tells them to?
Well would you support ticketing LGBT people who don’t shop at a particular business because of the owners religion? Because that’s discrimination too
No, it isn't. Stop with the disingenuous bullshit.
Yes it is.
It is choosing not to engage in a business transaction with someone else because of a characteristic of the other party. If someone is discriminatory in the decision to sell then being discriminatory in a decision to buy, since both parties are supposed to be equals, is the same thing
In a discussion about civil rights, we're very obviously using the legal definition ("unlawful discrimination") and not the broad definition. Conflating the two in order to make a point is disingenuous.
This isn't the place to make an argument that people who boycott a business that discriminates against the LGBTQ community is the same as the discriminatory business.
You're on a short leash, and now you've been warned.
@anubus21 I don't particularly give a shit about the guy in Denver. He's going to have ppl who patronize him because of this and ppl who will stay away because of it. What I do care about is SCOTUS setting the precedent that business owners are allowed to discriminate against legally protected classes because of their religion. There are so many ways this can be abused, and you know it will mostly apply to Christians.
It is choosing not to engage in a business transaction with someone else because of a characteristic of the other party. If someone is discriminatory in the decision to sell then being discriminatory in a decision to buy, since both parties are supposed to be equals, is the same thing
Luckily that's not how the law works. I disagree with your opinion and think its fucking stupid to conflate the legal definition with a technical definition. Both parties are NOT equal - a seller is beholden to more rules and regulations then buyers.
What I do care about is SCOTUS setting the precedent that business owners are allowed to discriminate against legally protected classes because of their religion. There are so many ways this can be abused, and you know it will mostly apply to Christians.
Are you referring to the recent Cake Bakery SCOTUS ruling? They didn't actually rule on the discrimination portion of the case and instead their ruling was focused on how the local State court did not handle the case properly.
What I do care about is SCOTUS setting the precedent that business owners are allowed to discriminate against legally protected classes because of their religion. There are so many ways this can be abused, and you know it will mostly apply to Christians.
Are you referring to the recent Cake Bakery SCOTUS ruling? They didn't actually rule on the discrimination portion of the case and instead their ruling was focused on how the local State court did not handle the case properly.
Same sex marriage is an issue that is much more important to the couples than anyone else. Those who deny them services, and those on the internet who champion those who deny those services, are doing so, only to distract from the completely horrible GOP.
Well because democrats say they’ll leave the country if they lose an election, if someone like Sanders or Cortez wins the presidential election in 2020 I’m packing my bags and leaving for Chile, now that I’ve been here two weeks this is such a much better place, I mean they have flawless highways supported by tolls and I stopped one of the tollbooths to pay and the lady had her rosary and a “Dio es Amor” board on display in the booth window, just imagine how triggered your average American leftist would be to pay a highway toll and had to notice the lady collecting it might be religious.
Yeah, I’ve never seen a cross necklace on anyone in the USA. That would be crazy...
Well because democrats say they’ll leave the country if they lose an election, if someone like Sanders or Cortez wins the presidential election in 2020 I’m packing my bags and leaving for Chile, now that I’ve been here two weeks this is such a much better place, I mean they have flawless highways supported by tolls and I stopped one of the tollbooths to pay and the lady had her rosary and a “Dio es Amor” board on display in the booth window, just imagine how triggered your average American leftist would be to pay a highway toll and had to notice the lady collecting it might be religious.
Yeah, I’ve never seen a cross necklace on anyone in the USA. That would be crazy...
Not just necklace, but also signage that was prominent and pointed towards vehicles entering the toll plaza. Really cool.
I took a ferry as well to an island off the coast and the door to the wheelhouse had a crucifix attached to it, I think that wouldn’t be tolerated either in the US
Well because democrats say they’ll leave the country if they lose an election, if someone like Sanders or Cortez wins the presidential election in 2020 I’m packing my bags and leaving for Chile, now that I’ve been here two weeks this is such a much better place, I mean they have flawless highways supported by tolls and I stopped one of the tollbooths to pay and the lady had her rosary and a “Dio es Amor” board on display in the booth window, just imagine how triggered your average American leftist would be to pay a highway toll and had to notice the lady collecting it might be religious.
Yeah, I’ve never seen a cross necklace on anyone in the USA. That would be crazy...
Not just necklace, but also signage that was prominent and pointed towards vehicles entering the toll plaza. Really cool.
I took a ferry as well to an island off the coast and the door to the wheelhouse had a crucifix attached to it, I think that wouldn’t be tolerated either in the US
It's going to end up mostly to do about his creative expression, does he have to make something specially for a cause/purpose/design he does not believe in and does not want to deal with? I have noticed in both versions of what is going with this cake shop that the baker always seems to offer to sell them a ready made cake, and I assume there's a reason for that.
I read an interesting piece a while back about how the cake baking thing is about much more than baking cakes. I wish I could remember the source or the legal arguments but maybe someone else can.
Well because democrats say they’ll leave the country if they lose an election, if someone like Sanders or Cortez wins the presidential election in 2020 I’m packing my bags and leaving for Chile, now that I’ve been here two weeks this is such a much better place, I mean they have flawless highways supported by tolls and I stopped one of the tollbooths to pay and the lady had her rosary and a “Dio es Amor” board on display in the booth window, just imagine how triggered your average American leftist would be to pay a highway toll and had to notice the lady collecting it might be religious.
Yeah, I’ve never seen a cross necklace on anyone in the USA. That would be crazy...
Not just necklace, but also signage that was prominent and pointed towards vehicles entering the toll plaza. Really cool.
I took a ferry as well to an island off the coast and the door to the wheelhouse had a crucifix attached to it, I think that wouldn’t be tolerated either in the US
Well because democrats say they’ll leave the country if they lose an election, if someone like Sanders or Cortez wins the presidential election in 2020 I’m packing my bags and leaving for Chile, now that I’ve been here two weeks this is such a much better place, I mean they have flawless highways supported by tolls and I stopped one of the tollbooths to pay and the lady had her rosary and a “Dio es Amor” board on display in the booth window, just imagine how triggered your average American leftist would be to pay a highway toll and had to notice the lady collecting it might be religious.
Probably about as much as they’d freak out over a shop worker in a hijab or a turban serving them.
Im not American, but I’m further left than most people on this forum, and I’m an atheist. We are not an overtly religious country, but we have a few churchies (as we call them, since we abbreviate everything) dotted about. I work with a woman who wears a cross, has those little Jesus cards pinned to the wall of her desk area, and in conversation will talk about her church activities (they seem to have a good time). Weirdly, I’m not spending any time freaking out about it.
Well because democrats say they’ll leave the country if they lose an election, if someone like Sanders or Cortez wins the presidential election in 2020 I’m packing my bags and leaving for Chile, now that I’ve been here two weeks this is such a much better place, I mean they have flawless highways supported by tolls and I stopped one of the tollbooths to pay and the lady had her rosary and a “Dio es Amor” board on display in the booth window, just imagine how triggered your average American leftist would be to pay a highway toll and had to notice the lady collecting it might be religious.
Yeah, I’ve never seen a cross necklace on anyone in the USA. That would be crazy...
Not just necklace, but also signage that was prominent and pointed towards vehicles entering the toll plaza. Really cool.
I took a ferry as well to an island off the coast and the door to the wheelhouse had a crucifix attached to it, I think that wouldn’t be tolerated either in the US
What is your point? That a religious country and a secular country do things differently? BREAKING NEWS, EVERYONE.
Well because democrats say they’ll leave the country if they lose an election, if someone like Sanders or Cortez wins the presidential election in 2020 I’m packing my bags and leaving for Chile, now that I’ve been here two weeks this is such a much better place, I mean they have flawless highways supported by tolls and I stopped one of the tollbooths to pay and the lady had her rosary and a “Dio es Amor” board on display in the booth window, just imagine how triggered your average American leftist would be to pay a highway toll and had to notice the lady collecting it might be religious.
Yeah, I’ve never seen a cross necklace on anyone in the USA. That would be crazy...
Not just necklace, but also signage that was prominent and pointed towards vehicles entering the toll plaza. Really cool.
I took a ferry as well to an island off the coast and the door to the wheelhouse had a crucifix attached to it, I think that wouldn’t be tolerated either in the US
Are you fucking kidding me? My school bus had a rosary hanging from the rearview mirror growing up. The pledge of allegiance says "one nation under god." US Currency has "in god we trust" on it.
Well because democrats say they’ll leave the country if they lose an election, if someone like Sanders or Cortez wins the presidential election in 2020 I’m packing my bags and leaving for Chile, now that I’ve been here two weeks this is such a much better place, I mean they have flawless highways supported by tolls and I stopped one of the tollbooths to pay and the lady had her rosary and a “Dio es Amor” board on display in the booth window, just imagine how triggered your average American leftist would be to pay a highway toll and had to notice the lady collecting it might be religious.
Yeah, I’ve never seen a cross necklace on anyone in the USA. That would be crazy...
Not just necklace, but also signage that was prominent and pointed towards vehicles entering the toll plaza. Really cool.
I took a ferry as well to an island off the coast and the door to the wheelhouse had a crucifix attached to it, I think that wouldn’t be tolerated either in the US
Are you fucking kidding me? My school bus had a rosary hanging from the rearview mirror growing up. The pledge of allegiance says "one nation under god." US Currency has "in god we trust" on it.
Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
Plus drive enough on highways in the South or Midwest and you'll see plenty of billboards about how Jesus saves, evolution is a myth, etc, etc...
Also, contrary to the “War on Christmas” propaganda, look around Christmas or Easter time and it’s not like there aren’t religious symbols all over the place.
I’ll certainly concede that some countries are more religious than the US, but it’s a straw man to then compare them with the US as an irreligious country.
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Section B, sub paragraph 12.
I don't understand what you mean here^^ If you want to talk about Trek I'll gladly take it to another thread. One of my favorite topics.
Yes, I was flippant about religion but that shouldn't matter. We are a nation of laws, not of gods and I'm not sorry. The minute someone's god tries to restrict others' freedom it becomes worthy of nothing but ridicule.
Well would you support ticketing LGBT people who don’t shop at a particular business because of the owners religion? Because that’s discrimination too
Let me put it to ya this way...would you buy a cake from that guy if you lived in Denver? Probably not and I assume you would tell your friends not to as well. If they want to hurt the guy then don't buy his cakes and let him be who he wants. It'll hurt his business and then ya never have to worry about it again once he has to close up shop.
It is choosing not to engage in a business transaction with someone else because of a characteristic of the other party. If someone is discriminatory in the decision to sell then being discriminatory in a decision to buy, since both parties are supposed to be equals, is the same thing
https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/6/4/17425294/supreme-court-masterpiece-cakeshop-gay-wedding-cake-baker-ruling
I took a ferry as well to an island off the coast and the door to the wheelhouse had a crucifix attached to it, I think that wouldn’t be tolerated either in the US
Im not American, but I’m further left than most people on this forum, and I’m an atheist. We are not an overtly religious country, but we have a few churchies (as we call them, since we abbreviate everything) dotted about. I work with a woman who wears a cross, has those little Jesus cards pinned to the wall of her desk area, and in conversation will talk about her church activities (they seem to have a good time). Weirdly, I’m not spending any time freaking out about it.
What is your point? That a religious country and a secular country do things differently? BREAKING NEWS, EVERYONE.
Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
Plus drive enough on highways in the South or Midwest and you'll see plenty of billboards about how Jesus saves, evolution is a myth, etc, etc...
I’ll certainly concede that some countries are more religious than the US, but it’s a straw man to then compare them with the US as an irreligious country.