105 - Little Fear of Lightning (Spoilers)

I laugh out loud at least 3 times an episode over how much fun this show is. It’s kind of ruined TV for me for the time being. Any time I watch something else I’m like “Yeah but you’re not Watchmen.”

The bit about Spielberg making Pale Horse instead of Schindler’s List was excellent. 
MattyWeavesmajjam0770sassyfontaineElSkidChinaskiKela15

Comments

  • “I bugged your cactus”
    manhattnikmajjam0770
  • This episode gave me a little hope that it is heading in the right direction.  Too bad it's not looking good for Looking Glass.  I kinda like the character and the actor's performance. 
    majjam0770bizmarkiefaderrustywright4
  • edited November 2019
    The squid attack wasn't something I was hoping to see, but that was incredible.  Ooof, poor kid... Hey, the ferris wheel lights look like a Hydrogen symbol... Oh, they're still pulling back... Wait, was that... OH FUCK... YOU MOTHERFUCKER!

    Same with Veidt assembling an SOS message out of dead clones from a cosmic prison.  I'm 100% here for this stuff.
    ksa1001majjam0770sassyfontaineElSkid
  • Didn't realize I wanted to see footage of the devistation of a giant psychic squid but I sure did. Seeing Paula Malcomson was unexpected and amazing. Lindelof has opened the book a little bit giving us the details he did in this episode but I wonder what the Seventh Cavalry is planning with this teleporter. I hope looking Glass somehow survives what's coming for him but I'm not very optimistic. 
    Elisa
  • JamesJames southern California
    FWIW, it looks as though Veidt's on Europa, the smallest of Jupiter's Galilean moons.
    MurderbearElisamajjam0770
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    I loved this episode. Tim Blake Nelson is a treasure. I think Wade is going to be okay. He is the most paranoid and fearful character we've met, and this episode established that he can tell when someone's lying. Plus, he'd have to be an idiot to trust Keene or anyone, for that matter, to not tie off loose ends. If the show was going to kill him off, then why not this episode, when it would be most effective and tragic? Perhaps I'm being too hopeful.
    MattyWeavesmajjam0770sassyfontaineDee
  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky
    Holy shit what an episode! Tim Blake Nelson was fantastic as Wade. I really hope that he's not toast. His performance was great, I really felt for him. That first time he took his hat off and we saw that lining and it just hits you like aww shit, he really IS still scared.

    Ozy's scenes continue to be the most insane things I've ever seen on television and it's magical. His corpse message was cut off though. "Save Me D" was all we could see. It's clearly for Dr Manhattan, I just wonder if he calls him D or if he had enough bodies to actually spell out SAVE ME DOCTOR MANHATTAN. He's been pretty busy these last four years....
    majjam0770sassyfontaine
  • edited November 2019
    What if the message was "Save Me Dan"
    Murderbearmajjam0770BroRad33
  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky
    What if the message was "Save Me Dan"
    See. That's what I was thinking about last night. Like, Dr. M is the obvious choice because he was likely imprisoned there by Lady Trieu....we think? I like that though. Feels like there was an obvious reason we only saw the D. Yeah, I know what I said.
    awookiee
  • manhattnikmanhattnik the big apple
    I kind of suspect Wade and/or Angela are a step ahead in this game. Also, teleporter, Veidt?
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    I don't feel good about the show changing the little girl in red from Schindler's List to Pale Horse because the girl in red was not Spielberg's idea. It came directly from the source material, "Schindler's Ark," and there have been several stories about the identity of a toddler in red in the Krakow Ghetto IRL. So did Spielberg take a pivotal moment of a Holocaust story and use it in this movie? That feels icky.
    Dee
  • It looks like Ozy planned the message to be seen by the satellite...   Would Dr Manhattan need to see footage from a satellite?   What would a Satellite be doing circling that moon?

    If this is something Dr Manhattan set up, is this something similar to the Dr Manhattan mars phone booths?  But if so, why would Dr Manhattan need a Satellite to monitor the moon and perhaps specifically this "prison"?   And why would a message make more of an impression than seeing a bunch of dead bodies?
    majjam0770
  • James said:
    FWIW, it looks as though Veidt's on Europa, the smallest of Jupiter's Galilean moons.
    ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS – EXCEPT EUROPA.

    ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE.
    CapeGabeSchluppJamesKela15
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    I’ve been kind of meh on this show so far for a couple of reasons, but fuck me, Tim Blake Nelson is such a mesmerising screen presence. This episode reminded me a bit of that episode in S1 of The Leftovers (speaking as the only BMer who pretty much hated it) where Christopher Eccleston goes to the casino. Not because it was similar in story or anything like that, but because it put a secondary character front and centre, and in both cases played by such astonishingly good actors that all I could do was just sit and watch in fascination. 

    Also, the story is starting to make a bit more sense, which is definitely a plus. 
    awookieeMurderbearbizmarkiefadersassyfontaine
  • Dee said:
    I’ve been kind of meh on this show so far for a couple of reasons, but fuck me, Tim Blake Nelson is such a mesmerising screen presence. This episode reminded me a bit of that episode in S1 of The Leftovers (speaking as the only BMer who pretty much hated it) where Christopher Eccleston goes to the casino. Not because it was similar in story or anything like that, but because it put a secondary character front and centre, and in both cases played by such astonishingly good actors that all I could do was just sit and watch in fascination. 

    Also, the story is starting to make a bit more sense, which is definitely a plus. 
    I got the same Leftovers vibe from this episode in a very good way.  That episode of the Leftovers is what dug in it's claws and never let go for me.  I was skeptical at the first 2 episodes then the storytelling of that episode got me hooked.  I'm glad we're starting to get some answers because there's only 4 episodes left and I feel like we're sitting at a pretty good point.  
    Dee
  • This was my favorite episode so far, lots of moving parts, Tim Blake Nelson is so good.

    I was wondering if Mr. Philips and Ms. Crookshanks are representations or clones of other characters in the world, maybe Mr. Philips is what Dr. Manhattan looks like. Just tinfoiling.

    sassyfontaineElSkid
  • By the way, did anyone notice when Lady Trieu was asked why she had a statue of Ozy looking old, she said "because he is old"... or something to that effect?   Would that imply that she knows Ozy is still alive?
    ElSkid
  • fidoz said:
    Article says a year passes each time we see Veidt. A Terran year or a Julian year? Prob doesn’t matter but I think it’s 11-12 Terran years.
  • During this podcast Jim and Aron same something to the effect that Ozymandias is no more the hero of Watchmen than Rorschach is. I'm curious how they weigh morally the actions of Ozy vs Rorschach. One of the main themes of the original comic book is the trolley problem. Is it morally justifiable to kill 1 person to save 5? Ozymandias clearly thinks so as he kills millions to quote "save billions." Rorschach disagrees and pays for it with his life. Yes Rorschach does murder criminals presumably to stop them from hurting more innocent people but in my opinion his actions are much more justifiable. Rorschach lives his life among degenerates and dedicates his time to understanding specific details. Sure he is a vigilante and vigilantism isn't justice but he is also a detective with a code and if Rorschach decides you should die, well, you probably deserve to die. He is kind of a flawed batman. Ozy on the other hand doesn't have a code that differentiates innocent from criminal, it's all for the greater good. He has no problem killing a few innocents to save the majority of innocents. I think this is especially a problem when he predicts the future. America and Russia might nuke each other but also they might not. Imagine you don't pull the switch diverting the trolley and the thing goes off the rails and no one dies. This could have been the future had Ozy not decided to kill millions with a psychic squid. Rorschach is flawed but dammit he is a hero and fuck Dr. Manhattan. I wonder if the Trolley theme will surface in this adaption? Does anyone see the story playing on this?
    Murderbear
  • Jim and Aron talked a little about whether this is a good show.  It's a good show for me.  I have read the graphic novel more than once and it's on my shelf.  I can flip through it to remind myself of things.  I saw the movie.  I listen to a podcast about it and hit forums and the Peteypedia about it occasionally. 

    If someone knows nothing about Watchmen, I've gotta think this show kinda blows for you.  I'm curious to how people without Watchmen knowledge are doing, or if that's pretty much the audience that left after the first few episdoes.  The show did not start with a historical recap of the graphic novel (ala last time on Watchmen) because from what I understand, it wasn't supposed to be necessary to know much about those events to understand the show, but I wonder how satisfying that has been for people coming in cold. 
    Mattastic said:
    During this podcast Jim and Aron same something to the effect that Ozymandias is no more the hero of Watchmen than Rorschach is. I'm curious how they weigh morally the actions of Ozy vs Rorschach. One of the main themes of the original comic book is the trolley problem. Is it morally justifiable to kill 1 person to save 5? Ozymandias clearly thinks so as he kills millions to quote "save billions." Rorschach disagrees and pays for it with his life. Yes Rorschach does murder criminals presumably to stop them from hurting more innocent people but in my opinion his actions are much more justifiable. Rorschach lives his life among degenerates and dedicates his time to understanding specific details. Sure he is a vigilante and vigilantism isn't justice but he is also a detective with a code and if Rorschach decides you should die, well, you probably deserve to die. He is kind of a flawed batman. Ozy on the other hand doesn't have a code that differentiates innocent from criminal, it's all for the greater good. He has no problem killing a few innocents to save the majority of innocents. I think this is especially a problem when he predicts the future. America and Russia might nuke each other but also they might not. Imagine you don't pull the switch diverting the trolley and the thing goes off the rails and no one dies. This could have been the future had Ozy not decided to kill millions with a psychic squid. Rorschach is flawed but dammit he is a hero and fuck Dr. Manhattan. I wonder if the Trolley theme will surface in this adaption? Does anyone see the story playing on this?
    I believe Rorschach was famous for disproportional punishment, there were multiple instances where he goes crazy town on people whose transgressions were not particularly egregious. Rorschach always had the possibility of just crossing the line he was really close to, into a moralist terrorist. 

    There's also clearly an indictment of revolutionary Utopianism in the original graphic novel that Lindelof has carried into the show and, I believe, I saw him getting some flak for that after the first few episodes.
    sassyfontaine
  • Teresa from ConcordTeresa from Concord Concord, California
    Life got in the way and only watched the episode tonight. I liked it but god damn it Lindelof needs to ease off on the morbid lake babies and burning puppies. That puppy scene still has me upset. 

    Question - should we know who the horseman is? I quickly flipped through the GN and nothing jumps out at me. 

    And I’m hoping the next episode doesn’t spend too much time on Angela’s nostalgia trip. I don’t think I’d find it interesting for long, and there’s so much other story to cover with only a few episodes left. 
  • If someone knows nothing about Watchmen, I've gotta think this show kinda blows for you.  I'm curious to how people without Watchmen knowledge are doing, or if that's pretty much the audience that left after the first few episdoes.
    Nope.  I’m loving every single bizarre-ass minute of this show.

    After the series is over, I plan to watch the movie and probably will peruse the graphic novel(s?) as well.
  • HunkuleseHunkulese Québec, Canada
    If someone knows nothing about Watchmen, I've gotta think this show kinda blows for you.  I'm curious to how people without Watchmen knowledge are doing, or if that's pretty much the audience that left after the first few episdoes.
    Nope.  I’m loving every single bizarre-ass minute of this show.

    After the series is over, I plan to watch the movie and probably will peruse the graphic novel(s?) as well.
    You're also interacting on a forum about the show and, presumably, listening to a podcast about the show that gives a bunch of extra information.

    I'm not saying it as a slight against the show, but if you have no extra information, they didn't really give enough information about what exactly was going on with the giant squid in New York.
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    When Lady Trieu bought that house (farm?), was the "meteor" Ozy returning to Earth?
    Doctor_Nickrkcrawf
  • calebthrowercalebthrower South Carolina
    Just listened to the podcast, and the guy were talking about the mind control tech being put in to the flashlight that Hooded Justice used on Judd. Then Jim mention how that thing must take 8 D cell batteries and something hit me. Could that be why the 7th K member were harvesting batteries in the first few episodes. To power some new mega mind control equipment to use later on?
    Murderbear
  • MichelleMichelle California
    I tried watching this series and couldn't get past episode 1 initially, but just picked it back up over the weekend.  I'm almost done with this episode and wow, I'm glad I gave this a second chance.  This might be one of my favorite episodes of the season for a few reasons.  1 - everyone knows I'm a big Lostie.  The scene with Wade going to his bunker when the alarm was sounding totally reminded me of Lost, Desmond, and the hatch.  2 - we got quite a good amount of exposition in this episode.  I'm ending this ep with a better idea of the story arc and what's going on.  The only questions I still have are about Dr. Manhattan and the squid rain.  3 - Tim Blake Nelson is so, *so* good.  And it finally hit me where I recognized him from - he was Buster Scruggs!

    Time to listen to Jim & Aron break this ep down, then on to episode 6!
    CoryDoubleA_Ron
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    edited December 2019
    i'm pretty behind and just finished this episode. dang, i thought it was terrific! a little glad i'm behind since i now don't have to wait a week to see what happens to Wade!

    edit: and Angela with those memory pills! :#
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