Star Trek: Picard (Spoilers Included)

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  • edited February 2020
    I would agree it being the weakest episode so far, still some bright spots. I loved the The Sting Theme, and the Icheb mercy death was a believable way of making Seven’s character relevant. 
    Sir Patrick Stewart’s scholocky was french accent cringey. Im embarrassed for him that he made that choice. 
  • So, no matter how rich and powerful you are if someone wants to kill you all she has to do is beam next to you and shoot you, right? Doesn't matter that the bad guy knows you are close by and might be coming back any second.
    The mechanics of how things work in this world other than magic to drive the plot forward really spoils my viewing experience.
  • redlancerredlancer Seattle
    edited February 2020
    adobo1148 said:
    I would agree it being the weakest episode so far, still some bright spots. I loved the The Sting Theme, and the Icheb mercy death was a believable way of making Seven’s character relevant. 
    Sir Patrick Stewart’s scholocky was french accent cringey. Im embarrassed for him that he made that choice. 

    Yeah, kinda bad. Getting weary of the "Picard you sonuvabitch, I'm in!" theme we're going with. The 'heist' as it were didn't seem to play out for good or for bad. Lasted as long as it took for seven to arrive at the bar then it was just moot before anything happened. They tried to set up an "OMG, Seven betrayed them!" moment, but she had already told Picard she had bad blood with the gangster lady and was specifically going down there for the purpose of confronting her. I thought that was part of the plan the whole time, but for some reason seemed to derail the whole asset swap plan even though that *was* the plan as far as I could tell.

    Another down side is I don't think nearly as many people who watched TNG and are checking out this show would have seen Voyager. I think most would know who Seven is (maybe?), but Icheb seems like a pretty deep pull for most casual Star Trek fans, especially with 15 seconds of screen time.




  • Hmmm. Tis working here. Maybe it was fixed in the time since you all were having pr
    redlancer said:
    Another down side is I don't think nearly as many people who watched TNG and are checking out this show would have seen Voyager. I think most would know who Seven is (maybe?), but Icheb seems like a pretty deep pull for most casual Star Trek fans, especially with 15 seconds of screen time.


    I had no idea who Icheb was before I researched him for the podcast. They did a decent job explaining it in a just few lines ("closest thing to kin I'll ever have") but I didn't feel the deep relationship between them that I'm sure big Voyager fans felt.
  • True, as someone who watched Voyager to the end, revealing that that was Icheb was something of a "Holy shit!" moment for me. At least it explains Seven's harder attitude and her hatred of Bjayzl. 

    Still, plenty of disappointment in this first half of the season. I'm shocked to find I largely enjoyed Discovery more, though maybe that's because I binged Disco and didn't have to sit with it every week. 
  • manhattnikmanhattnik the big apple
    In this show it seems like there are literally no limits to what can be done with transporter technology. Basically it's there whenever the writers need a shortcut. And if anyone can beam anywhere at any time, or beam anything, really a transporter would be a hell of a deadly medium-range weapon. What's the keep the Romulans from beaming an entire fucking army into Picard's vineyard? Nothing, really. It would be nice if someone had thought this through. 
    Schlupp
  • In this show it seems like there are literally no limits to what can be done with transporter technology. Basically it's there whenever the writers need a shortcut. And if anyone can beam anywhere at any time, or beam anything, really a transporter would be a hell of a deadly medium-range weapon. What's the keep the Romulans from beaming an entire fucking army into Picard's vineyard? Nothing, really. It would be nice if someone had thought this through. 

    I remember one of TOS episodes where Kirk decided to try a transport within the ship to get out of some situation. Scotty was duly concerned that he would transport into a wall, but they decided to try it anyway. 

    Seems like that was the only time there was any discussion on the limitations of the transporter system, since then is just ex machina as needed on any of the other shows/movies

  • Just watched ep 6 The Impossible Box. Best one yet. And justification for all of the annoying transparent video screens @A_Ron_Hubbard @Jim
    bazjensterFlukes
  • edited March 2020
    Rizzo the Lannister Romulan was a Muppet, right?  :)

    Enjoyed the guys' take this week on episode 6.   

    Good, bad or middling its fun to watch this show with the BM companion coverage.
    bazjensterCory
  • In Rizzo Lannister has Aron finally found a character he dislikes more than The Wellicks from Mr Robot?
  • edited March 2020
    I gotta say I absolutely love Kestra's character and casting choice.  This kid is going to be a Stranger Things level star.

    I enjoyed the hell out of the Riker portions of this episode.

    A little less by the goings on of the Artifact but whatever.  Star Trek Picard Giveth and Taketh away, I guess.

    Side prediction:  
    There's a half broken ship on Riker's planet named from a poker hand.  You can see where that's heading..
  • I'm here for big burly pizza chef Riker. 
    Flukes
  • FlukesFlukes Calgary, Canada
    Kestra: v. good
    Troi and Riker: heart warming - but Frakes still cannot find away to say "Imzadi" and sound like a real human having a conversation or interjecting
    Real food vs Replicated food: My head cannon is that the small variations and mutations in a grown tomato are what makes it taste "better" or just different from the Platonic ideal of a tomato the replicator produces. That's not enough milk for a piece of cake that size though.
    visi0n
  • Flukes said:
    Kestra: v. good
    That's not enough milk for a piece of cake that size though.
    I guess she's got to build up tolerance?  But I'm intrigued about planet raffi special cake as a dessert course for the bunnicorn pie.
    Flukes
  • okay, couple issues with this episode.

    Vulcan SF Security lady (why is she wearing sunglasses again?) hands a blue plastic thingy to Agnes and her first instinct is to put it in her mouth and eat it? Vulcan Security lady didn't say to chew it until *after* she started eating it. huh? I think something got lost in the editing there. It's like if someone hands you a casino chip and you decide it's food no questions asked....

    When their ship is trying to get away from the Cube, Agnes is definitely acting suspicious. Raffi and Rios have a few glances with each other and I'm thinking they're both getting super suspicious too. We're supposed to believe both of these people are former Starfleet officers and can see what's going on, and communicating that with each other just by their looks with each other. STNG does this a lot, with the point of one whole scene that Picard can tell his bridge officers what to do just by a single glance to capture some advanced aliens invading the bridge.

    Later in the episode I was sure they were doing a good job of some good-cop-bad-cop with Raffi giving her some cake while asking seemingly innocuous questions (and Agnes not realizing it was an interrogation). Then Rios pulls Agnes aside and does the 'I think maybe Raffi is a mole' routine, and again I'm thinking nice, Rios is doing some reverse psychology to get Agnes to admit to what him and Raffi suspect. 

    In the end no, we're led to now believe that Rios *does* think Raffi's a mole, and Raffi really did just want to give Agnes some cake...  Why? I'm pretty sure these characters are supposed to be smarter than this, they've both clearly seen some shit and no way they wouldn't immediately be on to Agnes. Agnes is a really bad mole (and I believe is being portrayed by Alison Pill that way on purpose, which good on her). If we have 2 episodes of Raffi and Rios each thinking the other is a spy... ugh.
    Flukesvisi0nCory
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    redlancer said:
    okay, couple issues with this episode.

    Vulcan SF Security lady (why is she wearing sunglasses again?) hands a blue plastic thingy to Agnes and her first instinct is to put it in her mouth and eat it? Vulcan Security lady didn't say to chew it until *after* she started eating it. huh?
    I thought the same thing when I saw it, but I'm assuming Agnes knew what it was (it was a tracking system right?), in a basic sense.

    Also, confirmation the Security lady is a Vulcan with Yoda ears, and not secretly a Romulan with Yoda ears?  Romulans can't perform mind melds, right?  I mean they probably have the capability, but lack the discipline?

    I'm having a real hard time generating sympathy for Agnes.
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    I just realized, my middle name is Lynne so ya'll can go ahead and call me JL, it's cool.
    visi0nhisdudeness915bazjensterFlukesjenetee
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    JaimieT said:
    I just realized, my middle name is Lynne so ya'll can go ahead and call me JL, it's cool.
    Sure thing, JL.

    *Puffs on his snake leaf*
    JaimieTjenetee
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    Does anyone want some cake and chocolate milk from Planet Cory?
  • Maybe it's because I had a bottle of wine with the other episodes to help them go down, but the writing in this one was constantly making me cringe. Like every single piece of the plot made no sense and every line of dialogue against sappy music made me hate the characters.

    Won't make that mistake again.
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    Maybe it's because I had a bottle of wine with the other episodes to help them go down, but the writing in this one was constantly making me cringe. Like every single piece of the plot made no sense and every line of dialogue against sappy music made me hate the characters.

    Won't make that mistake again.

    I could see the writing was lazy in the pilot, although in admittedly subtle ways. Drink up!
  • For the life of me, I can't understand all of the negativity around this show - I'll concede that there are problem (as it always the case with ST), but as a TNG fan I find myself consistently entertained.

    Case in point: Ep 7 "Nepenthe" - It was just a delight to see the old crew back together again - I felt that the writing was excellent and performances gripped me. I found myself surprised by how sad I was over the loss of Thad, a character who we've never actually met.  The writers really did a wonderful job of introducing him to us and the subtleties in the dialogue were masterful IMO.

    I've also got to say that I really enjoy the new music theme to the show.  It reminds me of "The Inner Light" and I believe it is just the kind of music Picard would love.  I know JIm and A_Ron think it is unmemorable, but I have the tune stuck in my head.
    bazjenster
  • What I loved about TNG was that, at its best, it managed to be progressive without being subversive. Granted it was very often not at its best, but from time to time they could be bothered to imagine a vision of the future that was actually positive and constructive. The FOX/NBC-esque media circus interview in the pilot ended any illusions that STP would be like that. I just don't believe that's the kind of media that would  exist in a world of highly educated people who have all their needs met. I'm not saying that it would be easy to imagine what that would actually be like, but I wish they could be bothered to try.

    Instead STP buys into the same conspiratorial mindset of all American culture these days, that anyone in a position of authority is automatically compromised, and only a maverick like Picard operating outside the formal hierarchy can get anything done. I know that people have tried to frame the refugee plot as some kind of anti-Trump message, but all I see is the extreme cynicism and distrust of institutions that got him elected.

    But I do like the opening music, so that's something.
    blacksunrise7
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited March 2020
    What I loved about TNG was that, at its best, it managed to be progressive without being subversive. Granted it was very often not at its best, but from time to time they could be bothered to imagine a vision of the future that was actually positive and constructive. The FOX/NBC-esque media circus interview in the pilot ended any illusions that STP would be like that. I just don't believe that's the kind of media that would  exist in a world of highly educated people who have all their needs met. I'm not saying that it would be easy to imagine what that would actually be like, but I wish they could be bothered to try.

    Instead STP buys into the same conspiratorial mindset of all American culture these days, that anyone in a position of authority is automatically compromised, and only a maverick like Picard operating outside the formal hierarchy can get anything done. I know that people have tried to frame the refugee plot as some kind of anti-Trump message, but all I see is the extreme cynicism and distrust of institutions that got him elected.

    But I do like the opening music, so that's something.

    The real tragedy is not that PIC is bad; it's that most fans didn't notice why TNG was good. I know A.Ron picked up a lot of values from TNG, and that's certainly true for me. My parents did their damnedest to teach me that the world was inclined towards evil, that most of the population would never escape the black hole of entropy, and that eventually even my own goodness would be nothing. But I watched TNG for slightly more hours than their sermons, and TNG's ethos had the benefit of having a compelling narrative in front of it. So TNG won. I bought into the utopia.

    PIC is the Star Trek my fundamentalist parents would have loved for me to watch. 

    And, it's just like 95% of the shows on TV right now. 

    Do you remember how Jean-Luc Picard argued with God (cough, Q) about how humanity deserved better?

    PIC: humanity gets what it deserves.


    alexander.klassenSchlupp
  • I just don't believe that's the kind of media that would  exist in a world of highly educated people who have all their needs met. I'm not saying that it would be easy to imagine what that would actually be like, but I wish they could be bothered to try.

    Er, can we examine the assumption that in a world with all people's needs met, they're mostly all going to be highly educated?  
  • In a society devoted to self-improvement and scientific discovery I don't think it's some big leap to assume they would have good schools.
  • edited March 2020
    In a society devoted to self-improvement and scientific discovery I don't think it's some big leap to assume they would have good schools.
    Well, I know what people smarter than Spock like to do ...

    Go by the name of the King Ad Rock, rock
    Super educated I'm smarter than Spock, Spock
    Every time you here me you will agree
    Ain't no brother like the K-I-D, d
    You know what I mean
    Yup yeah
    I'm tellin' you with the echo...I'm tellin' you

  • Doctor_NickDoctor_Nick Terminus
    edited March 2020
    In a society devoted to self-improvement and scientific discovery I don't think it's some big leap to assume they would have good schools.


    Well, yes. But it doesn’t mean everybody continues on in them to have advanced degrees.   Why wouldn’t there be the equivalent of High School graduates or less in the Federation?
  • I'm not saying that everyone's going to be an astrophysicist, just that in a world where there's no economic barrier to education and self development you might expect society to look quite different. And the promise of TNG and VOY was that this difference would trend in a positive direction. Whereas New Trek is presenting a future where people are still mired in greed, envy, addiction, deceit, ignorance, etc. That's totally plausible, but to me it seems like a waste of the Star Trek brand to just turn it into another season of the X-Files.
    JaimieT
  • I'm not getting the characters on this show. 

    When Dahj beams aboard and Rios sees her, the first thing he's gonna say is "I know her, and last time she was on my ship the Federation almost sent black ops to kill us all". He's not going to give a surprised grumble and go off to his room to sulk.

    Since that did happen, no way is Raffi going to spend the next hour of the show having cutsie time with all the holograms, she's marching directly to Rios' room and demanding to know what the F is going on.

    Picard would then know immediately that the Admiral is maybe/probably not sending a squadron to DS12 to help, it's likely to destroy them. 

    But none of that happened anyway because they decided they had forgot they asked for help from the Admiral, and just went to Dahj's planet anyway...

    Why are they taking 2 minutes of plot and stretching it to 45 minutes?

    I liked Seven as Borg Queen, but that lasted for what, 4 minutes of actual story time? And did...  nothing? After they killed all the Borg by dropping them into space it's back to just Seven and Romulan Legolas, why were they all abandoning ship?
    visi0n
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