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  • edited March 16


    We won't make even the smallest, most obvious sacrifices. Why is this open? So many vulnerable people are going to die who don't have to and nobody doing shit like this will ever connect the dots.
    I’m betting it was even more crowded than usual because it is closing as of today. I agree though that people refuse to make any sacrifices and it will cause people to die.

    Edit: Florida is currently 6th on the US states list for the most diagnosed cases, and I highly doubt much testing has been done, meaning there are LOT more undiagnosed cases. So yeah, stay the fuck home.
    BTW - that tweet has now been deleted. Maybe they got some blowback and rethought it?
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited March 16
    As someone who nearly drove down to Disney World on Friday morning, then I considered it again on Saturday, I could probably answer the "why" question. But, are we actually asking that question? Is it a "I want to learn" question, or a close-minded judgement? I think the latter.

    Anyway, it's closed now.
  • Hatorian said:
    This has me perplexed. I mean I understand these families saved probably for at least a year for that trip. And their kids are only getting older. I get the rationale behind their decisions. I also understand why Disney won’t close or refund money as a business so thus its use it or lose it. On the flip side though it just seems like a bad idea and not worth the risk. If the government can cut interest rates to 0 like nothing and just let Wall Street play with free money then why can’t they help support families so they don’t feel they need to risk getting sick or lose 1k. Right now Wall Street is getting funneled play money while families are wondering how they can make up their losses and pay their 21% interest rate CCs.
    Because random people don't give millions of dollars to politician's campaigns (and politicians directly) like rich people do.
    JaimieTGiovanni
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    My employer sent out the Work From Home email this morning. I was wondering when that would happen. We had confirmed COVID-19 cases in this county 2 weeks ago (March 3), though not fatal.
  • JaimieT said:
    Is it a "I want to learn" question, or a close-minded judgement? I think the latter.
    I can't speak for bizmarkiefader, but I can speak for myself. And this isn't a personal attack on you @JaimieT but yeah, quite honestly, it's a judgment. But close-minded? No, it's sensible. I spent all weekend trying to talk sense into people who won't stay the fuck home for a couple of weeks in order to avoid spreading a virus that is actually killing people, and I can't for the life of me understand why so many people are being so cavalier about it. Italy had 155 cases on 2/23. By 3/14, they had 21,157 cases and someone was dying an average of every 4 minutes. On 3/5, the US had 159 cases. That means that by the end of this month, we could easily be in Italy's situation. Frankly, I think it's going to be much worse here. And I get the economic impact this is going to have. It's going to be really bad, and it's going to be bad for a long, long time. I already know people who have lost their jobs in restaurants, and we haven't even started to get serious with it. But places like Iran are digging mass graves near their cities to bury the dead, and a lot of people are going about things like nothing is going on. You can be contagious for at least 2 weeks before you ever show any symptoms. You can pass it to like 70% of the people you come in contact with, without ever knowing you did. The elderly may have the highest fatality rate, but plenty of people in their 20s, 30s, 40s are dying or being disabled by it. So again, I'm not trying to be a dick, but people who aren't taking this seriously or have a "who gives a fuck" attitude are endangering everyone and I am not OK with that.

    CapeGabebizmarkiefaderDeeElisaGan
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    At least one of your facts is substantially wrong @Marci. Did you check all of them?
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    If we never understand why people act the way they do, we're going to be shit at persuading them to do anything. But, I know this is a hard time and sometimes you just want to complain. On a board like this, I don't want to assume everyone is that way, though. Otherwise I don't particularly like throwing myself under the judgemental bus. 

  • JaimieT said:
    At least one of your facts is substantially wrong @Marci. Did you check all of them?

    Which one?

  • edited March 16
    Incubation period stats:

    Asymptomatic spread info:
    "But it appears that a Massachusetts coronavirus cluster with at least 82 cases was started by people who were not yet showing symptoms, and more than half a dozen studies have shown that people without symptoms are causing substantial amounts of infection."
    "A study posted Sunday by Belgian and Dutch researchers shows that between 48% and 66% of the 91 people in the Singapore cluster contracted the infection from someone who was pre-symptomatic. Of the 135 people in the Tianjin cluster, between 62% and 77% caught it from someone was pre-symptomatic"

    "An analysis of infections in Singapore and Tianjin in China revealed that two-thirds and three-quarters of people respectively appear to have caught it from others who were incubating the virus but still symptom-free.

    The finding has dismayed infectious disease researchers as it means that isolating people once they start to feel ill will be far less effective at slowing the pandemic than had been hoped."

    "There are uncertainties in the figures because the scientists did not have precise information on who infected whom in the two clusters of disease. But even the lowest estimates show there was substantial transmission of coronavirus from people who had yet to fall ill.

    In the Singapore cluster, between 45% and 84% of infections appeared to come from people incubating the virus. In China, the figures ranged from 65% to as much as 87%."


    Transmission rate info:
    "Right now, many places seeing Covid-19 transmission are following an exponential growth trajectory. That is, the rate of the spread of the infection is proportional to the number of people infected. Each infected person is expected to infect a certain number of people — around 2.5 right now — who each in turn go on to infect 2.5 more, and on and on, unless drastic measures are taken to reduce social contact and isolate the infected from others.

    Think about counting doubles — 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 and so on. How many times would you have to double to get to more than 1 million? 20. How many doubles to get to more than 16 million? 24.

    So that’s why Covid-19 appears to spread very slowly, and then all at once."








    tom_g
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    Freddy said:
    Solid John Oliver segment:
    Weird as hell without the audience though. His jokes are definitely laugh track material.


    My comedy tastes aren't in line with the rest of society (I definitely agree with the BM drama bias!) but I actually dug this format. The jokes that didn't work for it were jokes that I found tiresome before anyway. 

    ---

    @Marci - Cool, well you see what I was coming for. I guess "can" was the operative word in your sentences then. 
    Marci
  • edited March 16
    The economic impact of this would be considerably reduced if we had an actual social safety net and didn't have a bunch of deficit hawks who lack a basic understanding of economics running the government, but I guess that's socialism and therefore bad. 

    To summarize a tweet someone else wrote, at least the silver lining here is that Covid 19 will expose the serious flaws in our healthcare system and force us to make changes, just like the Newtown shooting made us re-evaluate gun control, the war in Afghanistan made us re-consider our foreign policy, and the financial crisis made us re-think our economy. 
    JaimieTMarcibizmarkiefaderDoubleA_RonGiovanniDeeElisaGan
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    JaimieT said:
    As someone who nearly drove down to Disney World on Friday morning, then I considered it again on Saturday, I could probably answer the "why" question. But, are we actually asking that question? Is it a "I want to learn" question, or a close-minded judgement? I think the latter.

    Anyway, it's closed now.

    Are you serious? Of course it's a judgement, fuck these people. This is not a lack of information problem this is people not willing to change even the most obvious behaviors to help stop a global pandemic because they want to go to fucking Disney World. It's people who don't care cause they personally aren't going to die and either don't understand or don't care about the ways they're spreading it or the effects it will have on an overloaded medical system. This behavior has a body count.
    MarciDoubleA_Ronhisdudeness915Gan
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    Okay, WTF is WV doing?!?!

    COUNTRY ROOOOOOOAAAAADS!
    TAKE ME HOOOOOOOOME!
    TO THE PLAAAAAAAACE!
    I BELOOOOOOOONG!
    WEST VIRGINIAAAAAAA!!
    MOUNTAIN MAMAAAAAAA!!!


    Didn't someone here say they're from WV?  Who was that?  I have a decent amount of camping gear....you got a backyard?  



    MarciNoelElisa
  • “Three great forces rule the world:  stupidity, fear, and greed.”  Albert Einstein
    Elisa
  • FlukesFlukes Calgary, Canada
    Canada is closing entry to people who are not Canadian citizens or permanent residents. Exceptions include flight crews, immediate family of citizens, and - surprisingly - American citizens.
    JaimieTDeeElisa
  • edited March 16
    Well done America. With the added benefit of seeing what was happening in Italy a few weeks ago you still managed to not make a damn difference:



    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/13/21178289/confirmed-coronavirus-cases-us-countries-italy-iran-singapore-hong-kong

    Elisa
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    I'm not some official dude here, just the slightly to moderately annoying dude with the metaphorical peace pipe encouraging everyone to be cool in this incredibly stressful, historic time so we're not snapping or dunking on our fellow BM pals.  Y'all are all my BM pals. I honestly don't dislike one single one of you.  I hope you all are getting through this ok. 

    @fidoz I hope your kid is okay man.  TX Childrens Heights said there were 2 "high fever" non-strep viruses that were going around in schools.  My youngest got it last week and got through it Then he gave it to his older brother who is tailing out of it now.  Doesn't matter cause HISD is in Spring Break and schools are closed until April.  Sounds like schools might close for the rest of spring too....
    MarciCoryNoelDeeweeniegirl
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    Lockdown just started in GA, where I am. Schools closed, my office said work from home today, most other things closed over the weekend.

    As far as I understand the data situation, we won't know if it's having an effect until 2 weeks from now.
  • cdrive said:
    Okay, WTF is WV doing?!?!

    COUNTRY ROOOOOOOAAAAADS!
    TAKE ME HOOOOOOOOME!
    TO THE PLAAAAAAAACE!
    I BELOOOOOOOONG!
    WEST VIRGINIAAAAAAA!!
    MOUNTAIN MAMAAAAAAA!!!


    Didn't someone here say they're from WV?  Who was that?  I have a decent amount of camping gear....you got a backyard?  



    Sorry, not real practical - My backyard is a mountain - you'd just roll down the hill, into a river and float off to Pittsburgh.
    cdriveCapeGabeFlukesMichelleNoel
  • FlukesMarcicdriveCoryMichelleNoelDeeElisaGanJaneland 1 other.
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    @Flukes I saw that one last night. It was the one that made me laugh out loud!
    Flukes
  • FlukesFlukes Calgary, Canada
    JaimieT said:
    @Flukes I saw that one last night. It was the one that made me laugh out loud!
    All morning, if I need a smile.. 2 minutes scrolling #genx
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    Idris Elba has Tested Positive for Coronavirus
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    Freddy said:
    Uhh, is that an example of one of the symptoms?
    FreddyMichelle
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    Cory said:
    Freddy said:
    Uhh, is that an example of one of the symptoms?
    Strippers clothes, a smudgy Trumpish face, and erratic speaking? Checks out.
    MichelleCory
  • edited March 16
    I'm glad holy Wayne didn't live to go through this. Would have ruined his  business model.


    Let's make a wish anyway in case he was real.
    HatorianCoryGiovanni
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