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  • Coming in from New York City where I teach and Long Island where I live, this is real and this is very bad. Many of my students’ parents (who have family/businesses in China) have been worried and warning me for over a month now because of what they knew was coming here. I agree to that wake up shocked feeling every morning where the reality of life sort of hits like remembering a very bad dream. I am currently finishing up setting up mobile teaching with my colleagues and we realized when we say goodbye, at a distance, on Thursday we don’t know when we will see each other again. 

    I am lucky to be a healthy 36 year old but my parents - both cancer survivors, mom with asthma - don’t seem to be worried about this at all. Why is it with the most vulnerable generation of people they are treating this like mass hysteria? They think that I have lost my mind when I won’t hug them after coming in from school or I beg them not to go out. Is this denial, stubbornness or just fear?

    Between them, my husband with diabetes and my two year old, I feel like I just bought them all tickets on the Titanic and waved goodbye.

    This goes beyond politics, race, gender, class, religion something drastic needs to be done NOW. I am hoping New York calls for a shelter in and I think the whole country needs to do the same. It’s not a matter of if but when. Do it now! 

    JaimieTMarciCoryken haleGiovanni
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    Maybe I shouldn’t be joking but there could be a silver lining that the dumb ass frat boys who won’t cancel their partying spring break may be taken off our hands which might be a benefit to society in the long run..or is that too mean and not cool to say?
  • Hatorian said:
    Maybe I shouldn’t be joking but there could be a silver lining that the dumb ass frat boys who won’t cancel their partying spring break may be taken off our hands which might be a benefit to society in the long run..or is that too mean and not cool to say?
    More likely the elderly people in their circles.
    ken hale
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited March 18
    @Hatorian - So is it just the age that separates the frat boys from all the older people I keep hearing about who don't give a fuck either? (See: post before yours) Or is it that older people don't party as much by habit?
  • MichaelGMichaelG Seattle
    edited March 18
    tom_g said:
    Hatorian said:
    Maybe I shouldn’t be joking but there could be a silver lining that the dumb ass frat boys who won’t cancel their partying spring break may be taken off our hands which might be a benefit to society in the long run..or is that too mean and not cool to say?
    More likely the elderly people in their circles.
    This is the chief worry - when you are in your 20s, many think they are invincible and have an acute ignorance of consequences.

    im also beginning to think a capitalist individualist country that doubts institutions is uniquely vulnerable to something like this. 

    Do your part, do you best, and remember what is important - your health, health of your family, and the well being of your neighbors.  
    MarciGiovanni
  • https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-plan.html 

    Federal plan estimates a possible 18 months of pandemic, coming in waves, also lays out that response will require carefully coordinated government action. Good thing we have the "best people" running the country right now. Trump's election and the subsequent gutting of scientific expertise in the federal government is going to literally cost lives during this epidemic. 

    But I guess everyone's gonna get a check from the government so that'll make it all better (but it's totally not socialism!). 
    JaimieTMichaelGMarciNoelGiovanniHollyoak
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    JaimieT said:
    @Hatorian - So is it just the age that separates the frat boys from all the older people I keep hearing about who don't give a fuck either? (See: post before yours) Or is it that older people don't party as much by habit?
    If it’s the old people that are destroying our planet and voting for only their self interests maybes it’s good for them to go too. Hate to say it but 8 out of 10 people I speak to over 65 are trump supporters and have basically just said fuck people not like me and the youth. Not our problems. 

    Damn, I sound like I’m advocating this disease killing people. I probably should shut up and just thing positive thoughts for everyone. 
    JaimieTtom_g
  • FlukesFlukes Calgary, Canada
    As the Canada-US border closes, speculation here is that Trudeau wanted to close the border when he made his announcement yesterday but let Trump save face by making it a "mutual agreement" today. I hope no one dies because everyone has to placate the man child.
    MarciCretanBullMichelleken hale
  • Flukes said:
    As the Canada-US border closes, speculation here is that Trudeau wanted to close the border when he made his announcement yesterday but let Trump save face by making it a "mutual agreement" today. I hope no one dies because everyone has to placate the man child.
    Well I can think of one person I wouldn't shed tears for.....
    Dee
  • Haven’t been able to go through this thread to see if it was already posted, but has anyone checked out the Imperial College report on the models that were run?

    https://twitter.com/liv_boeree/status/1240224205423198208?s=21
    FlukesCapeGabeJaimieTMichelle
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    So, will I be forced to vaccinate? Because I would rather just get the disease than a rush job vaccination. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. 
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited March 18
    This 18 month quarantine will only work if socialist policies like UBI get implemented. As a young person, I'm setting my society on fire to protect these people. The comparisons to warfare are apt. They've lived a long, full life. My sacrifice is much, much worse. But despite this, if we survive this, I know they're going to turn right around again and say socialism is evil. 

    Look at how we treat vets. Look at how we treat 9/11 first responders. 
  • edited March 18
    JaimieT said:
    So, will I be forced to vaccinate? Because I would rather just get the disease than a rush job vaccination. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. 
    The amount of testing that goes into vaccinations, even rushed ones, is such that you will be at essentially 0 risk by the time they release it for public use. Worst case scenario is that it doesn't take and you won't actually be vaccinated. And the problem with just getting sick vs getting a vaccination is you can still pass the disease on. You can't if you're vaccinated. And that matters a lot for people that can't get vaccinations cause they're immuno-compromised or those for whom the vaccine doesn't work. 

    Edit - and in the US you'll never be forced to vaccinate. For better or worse, the emphasis we put on individual liberty wouldn't allow it. However, you might need to show proof of vaccination for things like school, jobs, etc. 
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    JaimieT said:
    This 18 month quarantine will only work if socialist policies like UBI get implemented. As a young person, I'm setting my society on fire to protect these people. The comparisons to warfare are apt. They've lived a long, full life. My sacrifice is much, much worse. But despite this, if we survive this, I know they're going to turn right around again and say socialism is evil. 

    Look at how we treat vets. Look at how we treat 9/11 first responders. 

    It's such an ass-backwards way of doing things. Let me give you the benefits of socialism hoping that afterwards you'll give me the benefits of socialism.... It's not going to work if they don't believe in socialism! Ahhh! 



    Anyway, I've replied to myself and also reached my allotted level of anger for the day. 
    Flukesken hale
  • kingbee67kingbee67 Los Angeles Ca.
    edited March 18
    My bearded dragon came out of brumation to early. If we shelter in place getting worms may be difficult.
    I couldn’t get him to eat for months.
  • Hatorian said:
    JaimieT said:
    @Hatorian - So is it just the age that separates the frat boys from all the older people I keep hearing about who don't give a fuck either? (See: post before yours) Or is it that older people don't party as much by habit?
    If it’s the old people that are destroying our planet and voting for only their self interests maybes it’s good for them to go too. Hate to say it but 8 out of 10 people I speak to over 65 are trump supporters and have basically just said fuck people not like me and the youth. Not our problems. 

    Damn, I sound like I’m advocating this disease killing people. I probably should shut up and just thing positive thoughts for everyone. 
    Sometimes, i consciously stop myself from writing exactly how I feel, because it might not be well received.  So, instead, I just like posts from people who wrote something similar to my feelings on the subject . . . 
    JaimieThisdudeness915weeniegirl
  • Hatorian said:
    JaimieT said:
    @Hatorian - So is it just the age that separates the frat boys from all the older people I keep hearing about who don't give a fuck either? (See: post before yours) Or is it that older people don't party as much by habit?
    If it’s the old people that are destroying our planet and voting for only their self interests maybes it’s good for them to go too. Hate to say it but 8 out of 10 people I speak to over 65 are trump supporters and have basically just said fuck people not like me and the youth. Not our problems. 

    Damn, I sound like I’m advocating this disease killing people. I probably should shut up and just thing positive thoughts for everyone. 
    Wait a second - I might be the oldest person here!!!
    DeeHatorian
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    Well the MS 150 got canceled. Guess I don’t have to train or fundraise anymore. I knew it would happen. Would have been a real shit show with 15000 cyclists all clammed up breathing in air w/ thousands ahead of you and behind you. Getting off bikes every 15 miles all crowded refilling bottles and eating, sweating, and using porta potties. 

    DOW is now well below what it was January 20, 2017.

    Also 2 covid patients in Dallas are in critical condition and they’re in their 20s and 30s with no underlying conditions.  So I’m monitoring that story.... 
    JaimieTken hale
  • Teresa from ConcordTeresa from Concord Concord, California
    tom_g said:
    Hatorian said:
    JaimieT said:
    @Hatorian - So is it just the age that separates the frat boys from all the older people I keep hearing about who don't give a fuck either? (See: post before yours) Or is it that older people don't party as much by habit?
    If it’s the old people that are destroying our planet and voting for only their self interests maybes it’s good for them to go too. Hate to say it but 8 out of 10 people I speak to over 65 are trump supporters and have basically just said fuck people not like me and the youth. Not our problems. 

    Damn, I sound like I’m advocating this disease killing people. I probably should shut up and just thing positive thoughts for everyone. 
    Wait a second - I might be the oldest person here!!!
    Starting to feel this community has no love for baby boomers. Probably because it's been said many times ;-)
    JaimieTcdriveHatorian
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    Flukes said:
    As the Canada-US border closes, speculation here is that Trudeau wanted to close the border when he made his announcement yesterday but let Trump save face by making it a "mutual agreement" today. I hope no one dies because everyone has to placate the man child.
    So is it closed for commercial business? I think that's the only way we shut down. No working from home for us.

    Our crew of 6 ppl is down 4 ppl. 2 with injuries,  1 has  new born, and 1 in self isolation. Our boss also in self isolation. We have 2 ppm in from another crew , had to send the on-call person home.
  • JaimieT said:
    This 18 month quarantine will only work if socialist policies like UBI get implemented. As a young person, I'm setting my society on fire to protect these people. The comparisons to warfare are apt. They've lived a long, full life. My sacrifice is much, much worse. But despite this, if we survive this, I know they're going to turn right around again and say socialism is evil. 

    Look at how we treat vets. Look at how we treat 9/11 first responders. 
    The NYT story could have been better - it likely wouldn't be 18 months of quarantine, just 18 months of direct impact (perhaps with occasional quarantine when a wave hits your area).

    That being said, I agree with everything you are saying - the 65+ crowd is majority "fuck you I got mine" now in the US, so it's hard not to see some karma in this. 

    Also, just wanna say Jaimie, since looking back on the thread it feels like I've been attacking your posts, it's a pleasure foruming with you. Sorry this is hitting you so hard. I think you were the one who recommended the "You're Wrong About" podcast, and for that I will be eternally grateful. 
    FlukesJaimieTken hale
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    I just got the warning from my boss I'm going to be laid off soon, if things continue (which they will). We supply software to restaurants. We're going to lose all our customers. 
    Doctor_NickasmallcatDeeHatorian
  • FYI, this is much worse than the flu.  There are already of plenty younger people without medical problems who have to be hospitalized for COVID-19, things you almost never see for the flu.  It's really not all that pleasant a disease to get.   
    ken hale
  • FlukesFlukes Calgary, Canada
    JaimieT said:
    I just got the warning from my boss I'm going to be laid off soon, if things continue (which they will). We supply software to restaurants. We're going to lose all our customers. 
    Fuck, I'm sorry to hear that Jaimie.
    MichaelG
  • Flukes said:
    JaimieT said:
    I just got the warning from my boss I'm going to be laid off soon, if things continue (which they will). We supply software to restaurants. We're going to lose all our customers. 
    Fuck, I'm sorry to hear that Jaimie.
    We need a "I feel for you" forum button for when "like" feels wrong D= 
    FlukesCory
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    Liking the sorry post is fine. It's like an "agree" button anyway. I'm only the first to fall! Looool. It hasn't happened yet, but I gotta make plans.
    Flukes
  • ShumShum Utah
    Salt Lake City was hit with an earthquake this morning, so that's the end of rational thought around here...
    cdrive
  • tom_g said:
    Hatorian said:
    JaimieT said:
    @Hatorian - So is it just the age that separates the frat boys from all the older people I keep hearing about who don't give a fuck either? (See: post before yours) Or is it that older people don't party as much by habit?
    If it’s the old people that are destroying our planet and voting for only their self interests maybes it’s good for them to go too. Hate to say it but 8 out of 10 people I speak to over 65 are trump supporters and have basically just said fuck people not like me and the youth. Not our problems. 

    Damn, I sound like I’m advocating this disease killing people. I probably should shut up and just thing positive thoughts for everyone. 
    Sometimes, i consciously stop myself from writing exactly how I feel, because it might not be well received.  So, instead, I just like posts from people who wrote something similar to my feelings on the subject . . . 
    As a long time socialist I can understand how you guys feel. I can't say the thought hasn't crossed my mind, but then the better part of me knows that I don't want anyone to die. Even if I think their beliefs are idiotic. 

    There really is only one person who I wouldn't mind getting the virus, and I bet everyone could guess who that is. 
    JaimieT
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    JaimieT said:
    I just got the warning from my boss I'm going to be laid off soon, if things continue (which they will). We supply software to restaurants. We're going to lose all our customers. 
    I'm really sorry @JaimieT .  Hopefully they can get this relief package figured out and distributed quickly.  
    JaimieT
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