Protests Across the America

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  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    Giovanni said:
    Anyone who entered federal property illegally should be charged with treason. Trump should be charged with treason for trying to overthrow the American elected government. No stops, I'd prosecute anyone involved in this so it never happens again. 

    I still don't think the answer is for everyone to go out and buy guns though. Let's not throw some gasoline on a burning house, okay?
    Not to be that guy, but Treason has a very narrow definition in the US.  I don't think this meets it. 

    Charge them with sedition and insurrection though.  That is definitely doable. 

    Also, after today's events do you think it's wise that all the right wing terrorists have weapons and none of the actual patriots do?  Especially after seeing the police let the seditionist terrorists through the barricade?  If Trump is not removed, he will keep up the stochastic terrorism, if not outright call for it.  If he is not removed, this will not be the last act of violent insurrection.  If he does not face justice, the violence will happen again. 

    Preaching against (responsible) gun ownership during a violent attempted coup and likely continued insurrection seems short-sighted in all the wrong ways. 
  • BenBen Melbourne - Australia
    The genie is out of the bottle now, it feels to me that the next 4 years is going to see more attacks on democratic processes, with Trump loyalists waging a guerrilla campaign. I hope I’m wrong, but history has lots of examples of exactly this sort of thing happening. Good luck US friends. 
    DashEngineMarci
  • This guy is my new hero. Sound on!

    https://i.imgur.com/cmBwNBz.mp4

    Also, I have been on and off about having a gun. I live outside Boston, so the chances of anything actually happening here are low, but if something does happen and one side has guns, you really, really want one if you're on the other side. On the other hand, having a gun in your house increases the chance that you will be injured or killed with a gun, even if you're careful. And it's hard to get an FID card here in Massachusetts (IIRC you can have one in your home even without an FID card, but if I had a gun I'd want to be doing range time, brushing up on safety at a shop, etc, so I would need to be able to travel with it anyway). My dad has a .45 pistol and a 9mm from his time in the army (officers were allowed to buy their own sidearms), and various hunting rifles from his parents, so I'll probably end up with a firearm I have to sell anyway which you need a card for, so I guess maybe now is the time to start that process.  

    FreddyJoshTheBlack
  • Yep, gettin a gun
    JoshTheBlack
  • Civil War 2...only makes sense I move back to the country and it collapses. Sorry guys. My fault.


    GiovanniJoshTheBlack
  • Yeah this was an interesting way to find out that cops CAN refrain from using force at a "protest." 
    DeeMarciJoshTheBlack
  • Recently elected lawmaker from my state was among the terrorists...

    link
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    So will anything actually happen to these dickheads? Smashing their way into a government building while armed, vandalising offices, one of them stole mail from Nancy Pelosi’s office, there was a photo of one of them with a bunch of those plastic tie things so clearly they intended to take hostages. I mean, I know the cops were too busy taking selfies with them yesterday and letting them run around and “work it off”, but surely there has to be some repercussions? Or is this just okay now (as long as you’re white)? 
    MarciGiovanni
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    Dee said:
    So will anything actually happen to these dickheads? Smashing their way into a government building while armed, vandalising offices, one of them stole mail from Nancy Pelosi’s office, there was a photo of one of them with a bunch of those plastic tie things so clearly they intended to take hostages. I mean, I know the cops were too busy taking selfies with them yesterday and letting them run around and “work it off”, but surely there has to be some repercussions? Or is this just okay now (as long as you’re white)? 

    Nope.


    The ethos that rules the justice system, especially in response to riots, is that there are those the law binds but does not protect and those the law protects but does not bind. Fairly obvious who's bound and who's protected in this country.
    Giovanni
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    @bizmarkiefader Yeah, that video contrasted with that old man getting shoved to the ground in the BLM protests is really something. Cops really picked a side. 
    Giovanni
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    edited January 7
    asmallcat said:
    This guy is my new hero. Sound on!

    https://i.imgur.com/cmBwNBz.mp4

    Also, I have been on and off about having a gun. I live outside Boston, so the chances of anything actually happening here are low, but if something does happen and one side has guns, you really, really want one if you're on the other side. On the other hand, having a gun in your house increases the chance that you will be injured or killed with a gun, even if you're careful. And it's hard to get an FID card here in Massachusetts (IIRC you can have one in your home even without an FID card, but if I had a gun I'd want to be doing range time, brushing up on safety at a shop, etc, so I would need to be able to travel with it anyway). My dad has a .45 pistol and a 9mm from his time in the army (officers were allowed to buy their own sidearms), and various hunting rifles from his parents, so I'll probably end up with a firearm I have to sell anyway which you need a card for, so I guess maybe now is the time to start that process.  

    “THESE FUCKIN’ CRACKERS” is killing me. 

    I hope the lady in the car was okay. 
    asmallcatNoel
  • Ben said:
    The genie is out of the bottle now, it feels to me that the next 4 years is going to see more attacks on democratic processes, with Trump loyalists waging a guerrilla campaign. I hope I’m wrong, but history has lots of examples of exactly this sort of thing happening. Good luck US friends. 
    Four years?  Well, aren't you optimistic.  To be fair, some of the attacks will probably be orchestrated by enemies abroad, with disinformation on all sides serving to accelerate the civil conflict.
    Marci
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    edited January 8
    Dee said:
    asmallcat said:
    This guy is my new hero. Sound on!

    https://i.imgur.com/cmBwNBz.mp4

    Also, I have been on and off about having a gun. I live outside Boston, so the chances of anything actually happening here are low, but if something does happen and one side has guns, you really, really want one if you're on the other side. On the other hand, having a gun in your house increases the chance that you will be injured or killed with a gun, even if you're careful. And it's hard to get an FID card here in Massachusetts (IIRC you can have one in your home even without an FID card, but if I had a gun I'd want to be doing range time, brushing up on safety at a shop, etc, so I would need to be able to travel with it anyway). My dad has a .45 pistol and a 9mm from his time in the army (officers were allowed to buy their own sidearms), and various hunting rifles from his parents, so I'll probably end up with a firearm I have to sell anyway which you need a card for, so I guess maybe now is the time to start that process.  

    “THESE FUCKIN’ CRACKERS” is killing me. 

    I hope the lady in the car was okay. 
    For real. That guy is sooo great. "Get the fuck outta town!"
  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    Dee said:
    So will anything actually happen to these dickheads? Smashing their way into a government building while armed, vandalising offices, one of them stole mail from Nancy Pelosi’s office, there was a photo of one of them with a bunch of those plastic tie things so clearly they intended to take hostages. I mean, I know the cops were too busy taking selfies with them yesterday and letting them run around and “work it off”, but surely there has to be some repercussions? Or is this just okay now (as long as you’re white)? 
    I posted this in discord, but I might as well add it here too.

    The wheels of Justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine.

    These people will face justice. It is ridiculous that those who occupied the Capitol were not arrested when they were cleared.  It speaks to either incompetence or complicity on behalf of the Capitol police. Multiple intelligence officers in other five eyes nation's are calling this a coup with direct support of federal officials. (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1)

    It is infuriatingly shameful that Congress is in recess while a failed violent coup attempting traitorous sociopathic tinpot wannabe dictator remains in office.  He is not done.  That video he posted was NOT a concession. He never mentioned Biden. He ended it by saying he's only getting started! Even if he were physically restrained, his supporters will still attack again. Leaving him as president in the PEOPLES WHITE HOUSE allows him to continue to plot with the cronies he installed at DOD AFTER KNOWING HE LOST ELECTION for another attack.

    I am not certain his next one will fail, though it is highly likely it will.  It is also highly likely it will be better organized and much more violent and deadly. 

    The good news is he lost the element of surprise, or at least whatever semblance of that he had.  This was planned out in the open on parler, the Donald, and other pro Trump websites and message boards. It defies belief that our intelligence agencies did not know about it. All of the living former defense secretaries including Dick Fucking Cheney published a letter less than 2 days prior to this attack warning and advising the military to remain apolitical.  The acting defense secretary Christopher Miller (installed AFTER Trump lost the election) repeatedly blocked authorizations to send in the National Guard!

    When coup attempts fail in other countries, those who attempt them are swiftly executed so as to make it clear that attempting a coup is very dangerous. That's not how we do things in America, and I'm not arguing it's how we should, but this?  Adjourning Congress, LEAVING HIM IN CHARGE OF GOVERNMENT?!?!?!  Any future blood spilled while he remains in office is on Congress. They should have finished the count and immediately introduced articles of impeachment.  Every moment that passes lessens the likelihood of Republicans going along with it.  Every second gives them a chance to paint it as not so bad. 

    I am profoundly disappointed in my country right now. 

    I digress.  Those present at the attack will face justice.  Dozens of sealed indictments are circulating through the courts already. The FBI has set up a tip line. Arrests are ongoing.  Now that a police officer has died, I expect them all to start flipping on one another in an attempt to save themselves. It's happening, just slowly. 
    DashEngineDeemajjam0770Marci
  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    Also, Hitler failed at a coup attempt.  It went unpunished.  Ten years later, succeeded. 
    Dee
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    edited January 8
    @JoshTheBlack I was talking somewhere about an article Robert Evans wrote in Bellincat the day before, saying that Trump supporters and Q-anon were planning to descend on DC. It included screenshots from right wing sites he monitored, so they were planning it right out in the open. I couldn’t believe that if a journalist monitoring right wing social media was on to it that the FBI wouldn’t be. 

    But then someone told me that the Capitol police refused the offer of assistance from FBI for the day. If that’s true then that sounds a lot like they were colluding with domestic terrorists. 

    And Pence was either left for dead by the President, or the president actively encouraged his thug supporters to go after him, depending on how you interpret his words. Still not enough for him and house republicans to think it’s time to cut Trump loose, though. It’s astounding. 
    majjam0770Giovanni
  • Also, Hitler failed at a coup attempt.  It went unpunished.  Ten years later, succeeded. 
    He didn’t throw a second coup though. He learned that the proper way was to steal enough seats for the NAZI party until they had enough seats to push him into Chancellor. Side note. They never had a majority of the vote. The NAZIs took power with less than 50% of the nation supporting them at first. Wasn’t until after he had power that he really took hold of the people. 
    Giovanniray_x03
  • Also it didn’t help when Kaiser Wilhelm supported Hitlers moves and then died allowing Hitler to easily slot in as the new voice. He was also given the Chancellor role by Hindenburg. He didn’t take it. 
  • tom_g said:
    Recently elected lawmaker from my state was among the terrorists...

    link
    Charged and resigned his seat.
    hisdudeness915GiovannicdriveDeeJoshTheBlackBenNoel
  • The FBI has issued a warning that there will be armed protests at all the state capitols and DC, from Jan. 16-20, and they're planning to take over government buildings. This is really scary, and things are going to get worse.
    I'm beyond infuriated that the same Republicans who instigated this are now calling for unity and blaming Biden and the Democrats for not just going, "Oh well... let's move on." It's inexcusable, but their actions have been inexcusable for a long, long time.
    Benblue_sleevemajjam0770
  • https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/capitol-mob-violence-police.html ;

    You know what makes me sick? These were the same people who claimed there was lawlessness and looting and that american cities would be unsafe if Biden became president. They're the same people swinging sticks and dragging police through the capital. Double standards eh?
    BenMarci
  • Doctor_NickDoctor_Nick Terminus
    edited January 12
    Hatorian said:
    Side note. They never had a majority of the vote. The NAZIs took power with less than 50% of the nation supporting them at first. Wasn’t until after he had power that he really took hold of the people. 
    I used to bring this up too as some sort of big example of those dastardly Nazis stealing their way to power against the will of the people, but then I realized it betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of how parliamentary systems work.  The leaders of parliamentary systems almost never have 50% of the vote.

    Blair here has 43% of the vote in the largest landslide in post WWII UK.

    Even though they had lost votes, the Nazis had the most seats, by a lot, in the Reichstag when Hitler was made Chancellor.  It would have required the next 4  largest parties to freeze the Nazis out to form a government, and the Communists were actively trying to off the Social Democrats, so that wasn't going to happen.    

    But to say the Nazis didn't have impressive support when Hitler became Chancellor seems inaccurate, especially because the German parliamentary system is set up with the routine need for coalitions.
    asmallcat
  • Sounds like there's bi-partisan momentum for impeachment growing. Word is congresspeople have had some briefings on what went down, and there are details that haven't come out yet that are really bad. I'm guessing we were a lot closer to a hostage situation or dead lawmakers than we thought.
    DeeDoctor_Nicktom_gasmallcatmajjam0770MichelleJoshTheBlackMarci
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
  • MichelleMichelle California
    ^^^^^ real talk.

    It took Trump 4 - FOUR - days to order the flags lowered to half staff in honor of the lives lost at the Capitol building.  I can't wait until this despicable ass is no longer in charge of this country.
    Giovannihisdudeness915cdriveMarciNoel
  • Freddy said:

    He's probably even sadder about PGA tournaments leaving his golf courses.
    MichelleFreddyNoel
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
     
    MrX said:
     I'm guessing we were a lot closer to a hostage situation or dead lawmakers than we thought.

    This whole thing sounds scary as hell and definitely worse than it looked like initially. AOC said she had a close encounter and thought she was going to die and there are a few extremely worrying details like why were all the panic buttons taken out of Ayanna Pressley's office? It could be nothing but like... I'm assuming panic buttons aren't routinely removed from high profile politicians offices while they're being targeted by violent rhetoric without any notice or obvious reason? WTF happened here


    As people rushed out of other buildings on the Capitol grounds, staffers in Pressley’s office barricaded the entrance with furniture and water jugs that had piled up during the pandemic. Groh pulled out gas masks and looked for the special panic buttons in the office.

    “Every panic button in my office had been torn out — the whole unit,” she said, though they could come up with no rationale as to why. She had used them before and hadn’t switched offices since then. As they were escorted to several different secure locations, Groh and Pressley and her husband tried to remain calm and vigilant — not only of rioters but of officers they did not know or trust, she said.




    GiovanniMarci
  • Can anyone build life size figues of Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan so I can creatively disfigure and mutilate them? 
  • I think we're going to learn some completely crazy things over the next weeks and months. There are MANY indications of inside help. I am no conspiracy theorist, but there are so many things coming out just one week later. Now I will say that he's making a lot of connections, but the various things he's talking about are all pretty well documented and I won't be surprised if he's pretty close.

    Ben
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    Dan Carlin released a new episode of Common Sense last night. Great explanation of the Capitol attack and the current climate: https://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-321-garbage-in-garbage-out/
    majjam0770
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