[OFFICIAL] Episode 509 - "What Happened and What's Going On"

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  • This was one of the worst TWD episodes in recent memory for me. I thought it was predictable, trite and full of cliches. I kinda wish they would let a semi-major character die without any fanfare. Just let them get bit, turn and stabbed in the head. Done. Move on. Tyrese's hand-wringing, moral compass had seriously worn thin (which, btw, never felt all that believable to me as a sustainable ethos in that world, and I love me some Chad Coleman). I think my head's just not in a place to enjoy this show anymore.
  • Pretty sure I've taken poops more interesting than this episode. This show can only effectively create good drama when it takes them a half season to lead up to the payoff; here they tried to cram it all in one episode of clichéd melodrama. I could only roll my eyes at each past character they trudged up, everything was just too forced to me.
  • GeorgexileGeorgexile Dominican Republic
    I was up in arms with the ghost of walking dead past, I mean the governor, really? How much longer are they gonna milk that cow? Anyways I stepped down I little bit when you stated that what other way could be better to ship Tyrese off and I guess there aren't. You guys didn't give death prediction for this half right?
  • snarknadosnarknado midwest
    edited February 2015
    Fuck Tyrese and this steaming turd of an episode. Eagerly downloaded Jim and A. Ron's 509 podcast anticipating a delicious skewering of this craptacular episode, only to hear them praising it. WTF?! Beth resurrected and singing? The governor resurrected for the second or third time! Michonne turning into a whiny, teary crybaby! And you LIKED this shit? I think you took some rebar to the brain and a walker bit your balls off.
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  • Jim & A Ron...it seems pretty obvious why they "yada yada'd" over the herd 'problem' as it isn't a problem at all. They drove 500 miles to Richmond...I think an extra 3 miles out of their way to go around the herd would not have been a problem. Take a left and go 1 mile to the West. Turn right and go 1 mile to the North. Then take another right and go 1 mile back to the East. What do you know, you're back on track and around the herd. The only way the herd is a problem that couldn't be passed over is if there was only one road to Richmond. Kind of think there are other roads out there.
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    edited February 2015
    They actually headed in the opposite direction of the herd because they returned to the church, which was north of Atlanta. From Atlanta, they could have taken any number of roads or the highway. I think the herd was foreshadowing a future menace rather being than an immediate threat because we've seen them become rather indifferent to the walkers, which is never a good sign.
  • They actually headed in the opposite direction of the herd because they returned to the church, which was north of Atlanta. From Atlanta, they could have any number of roads or the highway. I think the herd was foreshadowing a future menace rather being than an immediate threat because we've seen them become rather indifferent to the walkers, which is never a good sign.

    Agreed to on both points. And in other words...the herd from 5a is a non-issue. Seems to be a sticking point, though, on the podcast.
  • A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
    It's the sticking point for Jim, because he has a giant herd boner that hasn't been beat for going on 3 seasons. It's the least of my worries.
  • Did Jim just say on the podcast that Eugene was a hipster? He's not a hipster. He's a nerd-dweeb-geek boy.

    Kind of like me.
  • TravisTravis CA
    edited February 2015
    Yeah, Eugene is about as hip as Zamfir and his Magical Pan Flute.
  • I was going to make a Huey Lewis reference there to make for a good tie back, but Huey Lewis is actually really awesome.
  • I have a really high tolerance for "depression porn," as someone coined about the Leftovers (can't remember who), but it is starting to catch up with me in TWD. I mean, fuck, they have successfully killed the dude with the positive attitude (Bob), and in doing so they killed the only really happy/functional relationship that provided joyful moments. They took away Beth's optimism and then killed her. Now they have killed (flawed, and wrong about reality to a big fault, true) the loudest voice for humanity, and they may as well have killed Maggie and Glenn for how gutted and slogged their characters are. I guess my concern is that you start running into "what is the point if no one is ever happy, ever?"

    I go back to the last season of Fringe. So you take the show to this crazy, dystopian future which is interesting, and you've got these great characters, but the show forgot that one of the major things that made it click in the previous seasons was that it found room for the characters to find peace and be have happy moments and crack little jokes, little moments of joy. I say the only thing that made the last season of Fringe the weakest of the lot was that it positioned itself in a manner that left very little room for that. TWD is still a very good show, but they are literally killing all of the sources of joyful moments. Daryl, of all people, is where I find myself looking at this point and that's pretty weird, and Tara who may be totally useless, but at least she'll say something bizarre and light from time to time. I get that the zombie apocalypse is not champagne and fireworks, and that as time has moved on they have been hurt more and more and lost more and more, but throw me a bone here. I really think killing Bob particularly was a big mistake for this reason. I think every now and again you need a character who will just step back and say "Man, at least I'm still alive and that's pretty cool" every now and again. I was just thinking about his little "positive spin on things" game with Sasha. I miss Bob.
  • TaraC73TaraC73 Manchester NH
    edited February 2015
    I feel like we were totally teased by that huge fucking herd we saw - when was it? End of season 4a? I forget exactly but it looked fucking HUGE! Then it just went away? Pisser.
  • @TravisSmith Totally agree with that commentary on Fringe. Loved that show, but had to punch out in that last season.
  • Favorite cast quote - A.Ron to Jim: "You have a much bigger zombie boner than I do."
    My demented brain imagines Jim whipping out a rotten zombie boner, and says "Yup, I sure do." God, I'm fucked up.
  • TravisTravis CA
    edited February 2015
    @TaraC73 Do you mean the one in front of Abraham's group after he had that freak-out and almost beat Eugene to death? They hypothesized about the possibility that they may do a sort of "half season of flash back" on the podcast and maybe they'll show what happened with that, or maybe they just went around them and maybe they'll come up later. Not sure. The possibility of them skipping it was the subject of Jim's zombie blue balls. A perfectly good zombie boner gone totally flaccid.
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    I don't understand the confusion about the herd. They turned around and went back to the church. Then they went to Grady Memorial in Atlanta, which as we know from the Daryl & Carol episode, was a different route because the road was clear.
  • TravisTravis CA
    edited February 2015
    @pavlovsbell I thought the herd was blocking their path to Washington. I'm sure there are a few arteries from Atlanta to DC, but they were blocking the one that was between Abraham's group and their goal of DC. I imagine a triangle would have been created between where Abraham's group was, the church and Grady Memorial, but if they were ultimately going to end up on the same road that Abraham and co. were using at that point they would have still encountered the herd. I think that is the source of it.
  • pavlovsbellpavlovsbell Brooklyn, NY
    @TravisSmith Oh okay, I think I get what you're saying. I still don't have a problem with it, because in "Self Help," Glenn and Abraham were arguing about going around the herd, and Abraham was being impatient and insisted on going straight through. Even if that was the same route to take from Atlanta to wherever they were headed (because DC was ruled out until Michonne gave her speech in this episode), then Rick, being the super cautious one (as we see again when he doesn't want to drive straight up to Noah's neighborhood), would deviate to go around it.

    Anyway, this is a lot of energy and time to spend on nitpicking something will probably come into play later. @Jim Jones get over your giant herd boner, please. ;)
  • TaraC73TaraC73 Manchester NH
    @TravisSmith no dammit I'm all confused when it was - it was a huge fucking herd. I think the crew was out on a supply run back when they were at the prison. It was when Daryl, michonne and Tyrese got trapped in the car and Tyrese beast moded through with a hammer Maybe season 4A? It was huge - on the talking dead they had nicotero or maybe gimple and they said 10,000+... .
  • @TravisSmith

    Anyway, this is a lot of energy and time to spend on nitpicking something will probably come into play later. @Jim Jones get over your giant herd boner, please. ;)

    Ha!

    Yeah, at the end of the day I'm betting they will land on the fact that they went around it, or if they are going to build on flashbacks it will revolve around unforeseen happenings that result in them running into them anyways despite their best efforts to go around.
  • TravisTravis CA
    edited February 2015
    TaraC73 said:

    @TravisSmith no dammit I'm all confused when it was - it was a huge fucking herd. I think the crew was out on a supply run back when they were at the prison. It was when Daryl, michonne and Tyrese got trapped in the car and Tyrese beast moded through with a hammer Maybe season 4A? It was huge - on the talking dead they had nicotero or maybe gimple and they said 10,000+... .

    Oh, THAT herd! I remember what you're talking about now. Unfortunately though, I think you're right. I think they just kind of dropped it, unless that herd ended up being the same herd that we're talking about only they've all been walking north for a season and a half. That seems very unlikely. I do remember what you're talking about now though. I think it was just one of those "you're on the road (granted if I remember it was a couple of hours from the prison by car) and you encounter a shit-ton of zombies" one off adventure.
  • TaraC73TaraC73 Manchester NH
    HUGE bummer that they let that go! I kind of figured we wouldn't see it again because it was so long ago, but when I saw that herd in front of Abrahams crew I got all excited. :neutral:
  • This reminds me of the "how do you get infected with the zombie virus?" debate. Herds come and go for rational or irrational reasons. This is the lowest priority problem this show faces, atm.
  • TaraC73TaraC73 Manchester NH
    I called it a bummer, not a criticism per se... How awesome would that be for a 2-3 episode arc -- trying to get away from a huge ass herd?! Nicotero could really sink his teeth into cool boobie traps and walker kills!
  • Did anyone else get a chuckle seeing the "Dead End" street sign on the bedroom door where Tyrese got bitten? Also, shouldn't zombie teeth be falling out due to decomposition by now? I can't be the only one wondering this.
  • I'm sorry if this has been mentioned on the podcast before or was explained somewhere else but can someone tell me why Noah left his group to begin with? I mean he left his mom and twin brothers (yes in this episode he says he has multiple twin brothers). I'd also like to make another point regarding Rick and his groups search for a new place to call home. Why doesn't the group just create a new place to live? That community they go to in the beginning looked deserted and there was only like 4-5 walkers in the whole damn town! The place even has multiple homes and walls!

    @BRONCOTRUCK11 I would have wonder really if Noah was not left behind by someone. I know the writers had to explain the passing of time in order to show the hallucination sequence with Tyrese, but for the love of Pete that Noah is useless. I mean how the he hell could you go running for help and end up trapped under outdoor furniture by walkers on a porch?

    Also the community I believe you are referring to had down walls that were going to be almost impossible to secure and most of the homes had been burned or structural damage.
  • TaraC73TaraC73 Manchester NH
    I thought Noah was out on a supply run with his dad and his dad got killed and he was wandering and ended up at the hospital? Or am I imagining this?
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