Walking Dead - 701: "The Day Will Come When You Won't Be"

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  • TaraC73TaraC73 Manchester NH
    Judging by the majority of posts I'm seeing here as well as my Facebook feed I am fucked in the head... sure their deaths were grisly, gruesome and sad. But torture porn? Not even close. Now the term "porn" (sexual and otherwise) is subjective - one man's tastefully done love scene with no nudity or sex noises is another man's hell-fodder... but IMO that was not torture porn.

    Acting was superb. Andy Lincoln, JDM and Carl knocked it out of the park. Abe's suck my nuts was delivered perfectly and Glenn's bashed-brain goodbye to Maggie really got to me.

    IF I rewatch the episode again, which I really feel it needs a rewatch, I will be bypassing that Glenn scene - simply because it was just too, too heartbreaking.
    MichelleDummyBrawnS. Smith
  • From reading the comments, it seems that many people were coming into the episode too pissed off to be content with the premier. Once you're that angry at a show, every minor thing will become a major annoyance and vice versa - if you're feeling charitable towards the show you will be mostly content,

    I almost went negative when the 'big reveal' took 20 minutes to come - not to mention alllllll the commercials - but I shut that down and watched the show I was given.  Over the intervening months, I was not longer ticked-off at the show, gave it very little thought over the summer.  

    I think this was a great episode - It was the transition of Rick; the complete subjugation of Rick. Andrew Lincoln gave an amazing portrayal of a man that went from defiant to broken, and I was affected. 

    When Abraham died, I felt "Oh! That's who it was? ok" ; then when Glenn got it, I was shocked and horrified. By the time Negan was forcing Rick to cut off Carl's hand, I was on the edge of my seat. 

    I felt fairly certain I knew roughly what was going happen, based on the comics but this episode managed to shock, surprise, and keep me wondering what would happen. I was entertained and made to feel something - more than I have gotten from many other episodes so I will enthusiastically take it!
    EMAW42DummyBrawnTaraC73TheEconomist
  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky
    Last season should have ended after the two deaths and Negan throwing Rick into the RV. "I'll be back in a little while and Rick will be with me or he won't." Door shut. Cut to black. Credits. See you In October.
    NathanTaraC73rockalittle85
  • MichelleMichelle California
    TaraC73 said:

    Judging by the majority of posts I'm seeing here as well as my Facebook feed I am fucked in the head... sure their deaths were grisly, gruesome and sad. But torture porn? Not even close. Now the term "porn" (sexual and otherwise) is subjective - one man's tastefully done love scene with no nudity or sex noises is another man's hell-fodder... but IMO that was not torture porn.

    Acting was superb. Andy Lincoln, JDM and Carl knocked it out of the park. Abe's suck my nuts was delivered perfectly and Glenn's bashed-brain goodbye to Maggie really got to me.

    IF I rewatch the episode again, which I really feel it needs a rewatch, I will be bypassing that Glenn scene - simply because it was just too, too heartbreaking.

    You and me both, sister.  I think we're the two lone dissenters.  I will say though that it sucks having a differing opinion than the majority *only because* I feel verrrrrrry much like an outsider right now or like I'm not worthy to join the discussion, but I'm sticking with my opinion.   I didn't get why people hated the finale so much, and I don't get the visceral hate for this episode, which I thought was outstanding.

    If I ever do go back and do a rewatch, it won't be for quite a long time - it was just too emotionally draining.  I'm more invested now in what happens from here - will Maggie pick herself up and become the de facto leader with Sasha as her #2, both rising up to avenge their loved ones?  Will Daryl go down a serious guilt/shame spiral, knowing that his action led to Glenn's death?  How long will Rick be a broken shell of a man, and how will that affect his relationship with Michonne and Carl?  Will Eugene continue to feel empowered by Abraham's confidence in him and become the strong warrior/fighter he's needed to be?   And what's going to happen with Morgan and Carol now that they're at The Kingdom?    These are all reasons why I could never quit this show.  I'm entirely (rightfully) too invested in these characters to give up after 6 years.
    BrawnTaraC73
  • This episode is the epitome of The Walking Dead for me.  Really, really over the top and ham-fisted in parts, and really great acting/tension in others. It was pretty much exactly what I expected out of the premiere. I didn't think we'd get resolution right off the bat (no pun intended) and we didn't, it took half the episode. 

    I've found that my enjoyment of the show has increased once I just stopped expecting the show to be out and out good. If I'm not holding it to the same standards that I expect from Game of Thrones, Mr. Robot, Westworld, etc., I'm usually OK with it.  What I did find myself wanting, though, was a live watch on this one. I think it would have helped slog through everything minus the last twenty or so minutes. Hopefully the guys don't have any more conflicts with their Sunday night schedules! 
    AmbitiousBukkyBrawnOriginal_Joseph
  • Real_NeoReal_Neo North Carolina
    Truth is most times I enjoy the BM podcast more than the show anyway. Not saying I don't love the 
    show but the podcast takes the whole experience over the top.  
    MurderbearNathanTaraC73rockalittle85
  • The general reaction I've seen on the only other forum I participate in is almost unanimous praise. Several people saying they were devastated by the deaths/brutality and loved every word Negan uttered. I'm always happy when other fans are happy, even if this time I'm underwhelmed.
    MichelleBrawnTaraC73
  • Real_NeoReal_Neo North Carolina
    Problem is I was emotionally numb by the time he started braining our people. 
    The impact would have been much better if they wouldn't have delayed. 
    They had something really good but dropped the ball and ran into the end zone without understanding
    they were without ball. If anything they could have left Glenn for this season like others have said and
    we would have had closure during the off season and one hell of a welcome back episode. Sucks to be Daryl
    right now. That dude already has issues now he has to live with the Glenn fiasco. 
    Original_Joseph
  • This is my first post to baldmove so apologies upfront for any overlooked forum etiquette.


    The point that drove me nuts was how in the hell did they spend all that time in the forest over night making all that noise and NOT ONE damn walker shows up. I mean for the love of god, all that monologuing from Negan should have attracted at least some walker attention, not mention all the headlights on the cars. And then, after everyone is left and only Rick is there, ONLY THEN do we get one walker. Come on!


    Granted I know what I’m getting myself into when I watch this show (which is misery porn) and I let a lot of stuff slide. But it drives me nuts that they bring in zombies when and where they need them and there is never any rhyme or reason to when they show up. Other than “welp, we need a walker now to nibble on Glen’s brain matter to further hit home that Glen is dead and that is sad.” 



    That's a bit harsh imo. Given that he leads a very well organised army, I assume Negan had set up a perimeter so as to avoid any person or zombie sneaking up on them. So the lack of zombies might simply be a result of Negan's men taken them out before they even get close. 





    TaraC73
  • Anyone else not looking forward to watch Daryl cry over this all season or at least for the first half of the season?

    Episode was okay...but I was not very excited at all going into it due to my frustration with the finale. And watching the last 10mins of the finale didn't help (that was not my choice).

    I am really just watching because the beau still enjoys it but I have a feeling I might just be a podcast listener by the end of this first half. I just don't find myself caring as much about the characters with the stupid choices the writers make. 

    I will say though the scene with Carl had me a little nervous but then I thought to myself "They won't have Carl walking around with a missing eye and a missing arm." That instantly took me out of it because (while I don't think that would have been a good choice) I know the writers will not take it there so then it just kind of makes all that tension a waste of time to me..

    Great performances by Rick (Snot Bubble) and Negan!

    You have 7 more episodes to get me back TWD! 


  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky
    edited October 2016
    kianesc said:

    I will say though the scene with Carl had me a little nervous but then I thought to myself "They won't have Carl walking around with a missing eye and a missing arm." That instantly took me out of it because (while I don't think that would have been a good choice) I know the writers will not take it there so then it just kind of makes all that tension a waste of time to me..
    Agreed. Same thing with Maggie. To me, the three best candidates were Glenn, Abraham and Maggie. But I knew they wouldn't bash a pregnant woman's brains in so it was really just down to the two.
  • I had made a bat-bet with a friend. 
    He predicted Glenn, I said Abraham.
    Grrrrreat :-)
  • If they could control spoilers, it might have been good to kill Abraham at the last minute of last season and Glenn in the first minute of this season.

    You could have Abraham bait Negan into choosing him to save the others, which would be a moment of heroism, then have the Glenn kill work the same, which would be a great jaw drop and would convince us that the rules had changed.
    flynn5313
  • I was actually surprised at how underwhelmed I was by this episode. If they had shown the deaths at the end of last season I think I would have found it incredibly shocking, but no. Even the gore seemed tamer than usual for TWD.

    It's a little sad to see the funniest character in the show go though. Goodbye, you hilarious son of a dick.
  • edited October 2016
    What's going on with the live watch recording? I thought for certain it would be up by now. Never mind forgot they went out of town.
  • When Negan was dragging Rick by the RV it immediately made me think of Rick being Channing Tatum in This is the End:


    OliviaDTheEconomist
  • MichelleMichelle California
    edited October 2016
    Oh, and RIP Carl's old stinky hat!   *it's about damn time*
    I felt like that moment was just for us.
    TaraC73Murderbearhisdudeness915TheEconomist
  • I would have been so much more invested in the Rick/Negan/RV story line if the episode started with the deaths of Abraham and Glen, or even Abe being killed at the season 6 conclusion and Glen shocking us in 7 opener. On a rewatch the Rick RV mission with the Ax is compelling, minus the life flash before their eye's sequences designed to throw us off and just silly. Once again the writers miss the boat and really took the emotion out of the story because by then I was just annoyed and happy to see anyone I die. I had more emotion watching the Talking Dead!!! That being said the last 20 minutes were exactly what this show should have been and the breaking of Rick was placed in the wrong spot. Good start overall, nervous about the amount of possibilities this year and just hope the writers have a plan, and but that I mean a good one.
    MurderbearTheEconomistOriginal_Joseph
  • If they had started with the deaths I don't think there would have been any reason for the RV trip. It amounted to a way to present the flashbacks. The "axercise" was pointless...Negan makes the same point - for the third time - when he threatens Carl.

    The more I think about the episode the more I don't like it. I think I will exit this discussion as I'm starting to feel like a threadcrapper. I don't want to wear out my welcome this early in my Bald Move forum tenure. :)
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    Just how broken is Rick, will he start talking to Lori on the phone again?  Or maybe Jesse this time?
  • If the pacing here is any indication of what to expect from the rest of the season, I'm horrified. This entire episode, a full hour, amounts to what essentially should have been the last few minutes of last season's finale.
    TheEconomistMurderbear
  • Just listening to the Podcast... I think the guys have got a bit confused. They're saying that it doesn't make sense that Morgan's wife is in Rick's fantasy dinner sequence at the end but I don't think she is. I think the lady to Morgan's right is Sasha with a different hairstyle. Abraham's arm is clearly on the back of her chair and also Sasha is nowhere else to be seen on the table so surely thats her right?! Otherwise it is really weird if they include Morgan's wife in there but not Sasha!

    I think the main conspicuous absentee is Heath. Tara is there (so Rick's assuming she returns from the mission her and Heath went on) as is Spencer (so he's including Alexandrians) - so why not include Heath?
    ElisaMurderbear
  • TaraC73TaraC73 Manchester NH

    Just listening to the Podcast... I think the guys have got a bit confused. They're saying that it doesn't make sense that Morgan's wife is in Rick's fantasy dinner sequence at the end but I don't think she is. I think the lady to Morgan's right is Sasha with a different hairstyle. Abraham's arm is clearly on the back of her chair and also Sasha is nowhere else to be seen on the table so surely thats her right?! Otherwise it is really weird if they include Morgan's wife in there but not Sasha!

    I think the main conspicuous absentee is Heath. Tara is there (so Rick's assuming she returns from the mission her and Heath went on) as is Spencer (so he's including Alexandrians) - so why not include Heath?

    I agree with you that was absolutely Sasha - I just wrapped up the cast and rewatched the scene just to check it out.
    Elisa
  • Might have been said already I haven't read every comment but morgans wife was not in the heaven dinner scene. It is Sasha sitting in between Abraham and Morgan.
    TaraC73Murderbeartabs64
  • davemcb said:

    First of all sorry to be a carbon copy of other posts, but my god they stuffed this up. Just kill Abraham last season and start off with the Daryl kick out and the Glenn death.

    I feel like if last season they had shown this whole scene exactly the same right up until the instant Neegan's bat is above Glenn's head, it would have hit harder on the season premiere, having given the audience time to speculate how he would escape death this time, only to be crushed.

    Personally, this is the storyline where I gave up on the comic, so I'm only still watching out of obligation to somebody, and not really pleased with it.  It's such a downer, week in and out.  At least GoT and Westworld, for example, give you a little beauty or a couple moments of levity.  Walking Dead is naught but drab and depressing.
  • Frakkin TFrakkin T Currently Offline
    edited October 2016
    Listening to the podcast now and I want to say why I'm quitting, because it sure wasn't the gore. Hell, my movie collection would probably be people's exhibit #1 if I ever get jammed up for murder. The episode was fine. I was spoiled beforehand, as I expected. I recognize that it was mostly well-executed, but it was just so goddamn bleak. TWD has always tended towards it, but they are now fully committed to the hellish idea that, absent any civilizing influence, we are no more than packs of wolves killing to survive. And they spent a whole goddamn hour making us wallow in it. I've thought that they would move past it, but they won't because where this show lives is the idea that humans are terrible people. 

    Show me a movie that commits to this idea, and I'll watch it. It's an interesting place to tell a story that will horrify and delight you, but I don't want to go there every week and this episode drove home for me that this is the story they want to tell. And I'm out; maybe I'll pick up Westworld. 

    PS Maybe it should go without saying that I don't mean to judge anyone for being a fan; like A-Ron said, it's just not for me.
    DummyTaraC73voodoorat
  • StoodawgStoodawg Kalamazoo, MI
    They're gonna have to darken Glenn in the podcast logo.
  • @A_Ron_Hubbard - Please pardon my nerdy defense of something that doesn't matter, as your point about knowing when to stop was correct, but wasn't it the giant storage locker pile of money that *did* make him stop cooking? :) Just bein' technical.
    Murderbear
  • Dylan B said:

    Might have been said already I haven't read every comment but morgans wife was not in the heaven dinner scene. It is Sasha sitting in between Abraham and Morgan.

    Yes, I agree.

    I heard that on the podcast and re-watched the scene - It's definitely Sasha in the blue dress 
    and she's sitting by Abraham. I clocked that on first viewing and never thought it was anyone 
    else but Sasha.
    TaraC73
  • AshleyAshley Atlanta, GA

    Just finishing up the recap, I honestly can't believe BOTH you guys thought that was Morgan's wife. Have you recently watched the pilot or something? Because I can barely remember what she looks like, lol. It didn't even register that Sasha (I believe it was a pregnant Sasha, for that matter) would've been missing in that case? It made more sense that they'd randomly include Morgan's wife? I know it was like a 6-second scene and TWD is known for nonsense, but damn.

    Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised you guys enjoyed the episode. I'm not gonna listen to feedback, because if this thread is any indication, it's just gonna annoy me, so maybe the pregnant Sasha thing is mentioned later.

    TaraC73tabs64
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