716 - "The First Day Of The Rest Of Your Life"

Director: Greg Nicotero

Writers: Angela Kang, Matthew Negrete
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  • too much talking and sasha listening to music scenes. the double cross was cool, did not see that till the "we win" girl. it didn't really feel like a finale to me.
    manhattnik
  • cbspockcbspock San Antonio, Texas
    I liked this episode overall. I didn't like the Sasha flashbacks it really telegraphed something was going to happen to her. I liked the double cross with the Romulan trash people. The question is, is Eugene on Rick's side
  • TaraC73TaraC73 Manchester NH
    @cbspock - Eugene is on eugene's side :/
    MurderbearCory
  • Seriously? You didn't see the double cross from the trash people? It was speculated by a lot of people on this forum... I thought the episode was about par for the course (e.g. not very good).

    I'm not sure I understood much of the logistics of the fight. One second Negan is on the other side of the wall, and Carl and Rick are on top of the wall. A minute later he's in a field with Carl on his knees inside the wall and Rick is being escorted to them? All so Negan and Rick could get some dialogue? Yeah.  I was hoping they could at least get some of the fight stuff right. 
  • As far as Eugene goes, he is a Neagan man (if he wasn't sure is now). I agree that Sasha was telegraphed wayyyyyyyyy too strongly it felt like we spent 1/3-1/2 of the episode "saying goodbye". While the doublecross wasn't a sure thing, the leader saying she'll take Rick then the "We win" were nails in that coffin.

    Overall I liked, didn't love this episode and it caps the end of a so-so season 7? I do look forward to the next season now that we will have an active war going on. While the last minute save was "predictable", almost anything they would do there would be so, because of the set up (outside of them not coming at all). Much in TWD fashion the end will keep enough people to keep the show going IMO.
  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky
    I thought this episode was okay. Random thoughts:

    So, clearly the Garbage Pail Kids are Negan's little birds. Where the heck is Gregory going then?

    Gotta say, I think Shiva looked alright attacking people. Good thing she knew to only attack The Saviors!

    I find it hard to believe that two different teams were able to sneak all the way into the middle of Alexandria before things started popping off.

    I didn't notice until seeing the In Memoriam on Talking Dead that when Rick was on his knees and you hear a woman scream, it was the Garbage lady falling to her death. I wonder if Rick thought it was Michonne and that contributed to his "fuck it" attitude with Negan.

    Good thing Daryl was the one to close the gate and happened to notice Dwight's message... Look, I know it's a zombie show and suspension of disbelief but it's the little things that bug me.

    But yeah, overall, a halfway decent episode.
  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    Complete with requisite killing of a minority cast member. That final speech seemed like it was lifted from a hallmark channel original, especially the music.
    Kela15Freddymanhattnik
  • Can we even call it a double cross? The trash people tried to kill Rick and steal their stuff right away, and constantly told them "we do not bother, we take" and yet Rick armed them and invited them in.
  • TheEconomistTheEconomist Chattanooga, TN
    This gunfight is so terribly edited. I have to guess it's deliberately confusing bc any realism would break it. The action is about as nonsensical as the ridiculous bayonet charges in Heartbreak Ridge. As if just rushing across a field with what seems like an absurd amount of automatic assault rifles, even for the US, will make everyone die and rout. It's just so spatially and visually incoherent.

    Idk, maybe the element of surprise with suppressing fire and a freaking tiger just freaked everyone out and they routed. I did like the trash people having a system to disengage and withdraw with covering smoke and a way to keep them from getting run down in the rout by locking the gate.
  • Kela15Kela15 Malta, Europe
    I liked the gender reversal in the Romulan Leader's attitude. Her way of objectifying Rick and referring to him as Michonne's "property". I also particularly enjoyed her kicking him off the lookout when he refused to get down. Sweet! I can't stand Rick...
    TheEconomistmanhattnik
  • How far has this show fallen in 1 season?

    Last year there were probably 50-100 comments on the season finale at this point. Granted most of it was outrage at the cliffhanger.

    This year there's 10 comments. And it's been like that for the last few episodes. I haven't even watched the finale yet and I used to be so pumped for it. Now I'm just like yea I'll get to it when I can...
    manhattnik
  • Half boring and half ridiculous.

    The double crossing stuff isn't surprising or even interesting at this stage, we know you can't trust anyone.  I thought they might be going for the double-double cross but no.

    What becomes really stupid, is how so many people conveniently just decide not to shoot during a massive gunfight. Key characters have guns pointed at them and don't get shot. No one thinks to shoot that Negan guy they've all been after. Negan doesn't tell anyone to shoot Rick. Then there's the reinforcements showing up mid-swing of a bat. If you're going to come and help, perhaps come a little sooner. 

    I think I'd have bought into it a little more if they'd come just after he'd killed Carl, just to show it's not completely contrived timing. 
    TheEconomistmanhattnikceburaska
  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky
    Hatorian said:

    How far has this show fallen in 1 season?

    Last year there were probably 50-100 comments on the season finale at this point. Granted most of it was outrage at the cliffhanger.

    This year there's 10 comments. And it's been like that for the last few episodes. I haven't even watched the finale yet and I used to be so pumped for it. Now I'm just like yea I'll get to it when I can...

    No one even bothered to make a post about the episode until a couple hours after it aired.
    HatorianTheEconomistmanhattnik
  • I hear that Rick is bringing in Ewoks to help him battle the Saviors in the Season Premiere...

    Seriously, though...my problem with the finale is that you knew all along that The Kingdom and Maggie's group would come in and save Rick and fight the Saviors back.  There was no suspense.  As much as last season's ending sucked, we all knew that they were NOT getting out of it.  No one was going to come in and save them from Negan.  This season, I was never afraid for Rick or Carl or really anyone else.  We knew as soon as it started that Sasha was dead.  We knew the Garbage people wouldn't even matter much.  

    And why the HELL didn't the King have his Tiger attack Negan?  Don't you think it would have gone for him since he was standing up and swinging a bat?
  • What the hell is Maggie doing running around like Rambo when she's dealing with a complicated pregnancy? I love how this show is constantly giving the middle finger to common sense. No women with any smarts would be an admirer of Maggie for what she's doing. So dumb.

    Also, I don't get Rick continuing to say he's going to kill Negan no matter when he's in bad spots. The only thing saving him is bad storylines and this being a comic book. If this was real life, here's how this would go...

    Rick: *looks at Neegan* "I'm going to kill you. I don't care if I have any hands. One day I'm going to ki.."

    *Neegan beats the shit out Rick with Lucille*

    Neegan: "No you're not"

    TheEconomistmanhattnikCooper88
  • Hatorian said:

    How far has this show fallen in 1 season?

    Last year there were probably 50-100 comments on the season finale at this point. Granted most of it was outrage at the cliffhanger.

    This year there's 10 comments. And it's been like that for the last few episodes. I haven't even watched the finale yet and I used to be so pumped for it. Now I'm just like yea I'll get to it when I can...

    No one even bothered to make a post about the episode until a couple hours after it aired.
    Exactly. If i could "short" Walking Dead stock I would. Massive difference in the interest level lately.
    TheEconomist
  • Hatorian said:

    How far has this show fallen in 1 season?

    Last year there were probably 50-100 comments on the season finale at this point. Granted most of it was outrage at the cliffhanger.

    This year there's 10 comments. And it's been like that for the last few episodes. I haven't even watched the finale yet and I used to be so pumped for it. Now I'm just like yea I'll get to it when I can...

    No one even bothered to make a post about the episode until a couple hours after it aired.
    The "hate train" doesn't usually get in until sometime today ;). TWD has for any become "I'll watch it later" for various reasons, including how "meh" and repetitious it has become in recent years. I know however I still have friends (and they have friends) that watch the show weekly. Last night however some were watching Wrestlemania. I know myself Sunday includes Homeland, Billions, Into the Badlands, and Lasst Week Tonight amongst others.i do wish they cut the episode down by 3 and condensed into a "one shot" instead of 8 and 8.
    TheEconomist
  • • They really need to stop with the forcing us to remember little details for years... How many people remember the chess pieces being tied to Dwight? Even though they were technically shown earlier in the season, they never really were pointed out as anything special. Or "PPP", when it pops back up with Heath--they seem to assume everyone has an encyclopedic knowledge of the entire history of the show.

    • That was supposed to be uber-tough-for-plot-purposes garbage blonde screaming from Michonne killing her? I seriously thought it was Judith; it was super high pitched.

    • Remember when the Governor attacked the prison? How competent does that scene seem now? :-/
    TheEconomistmanhattnik
  • The most disappointing thing for me at this point is that I watch this show mostly because of the special FX and zombie makeup and this finale left me wanting. In fact I've been gearing up for a herd ever since 709, what happened to the highway herd they were going to use against the sancutary? Or are they kicking that off to next season?
  • jleav382 said:

    The most disappointing thing for me at this point is that I watch this show mostly because of the special FX and zombie makeup and this finale left me wanting. In fact I've been gearing up for a herd ever since 709, what happened to the highway herd they were going to use against the sancutary? Or are they kicking that off to next season?

    The one they mowed down with the cars?
    manhattnik
  • All the ChickensAll the Chickens Birmingham, AL
    The idea of a tiger in battle is as awesome and badass as it is ridiculous and stupid. Seriously, that thing would be as likely to maul Carl to death as it is to kill a Savior or Trash person in the chaos of battle.

    But again, it's bad ass.
    Murderbearmanhattnikcdrive
  • All the ChickensAll the Chickens Birmingham, AL
    cbspock said:

    I didn't like the Sasha flashbacks it really telegraphed something was going to happen to her.

    Yeah, in the opening scene when Sasha was seemingly passing out/dying in what sounded like the trunk of a car, my wife and I concluded that she had taken the poison pill and they are taking her to Alexandria. The rest of the episode was just them confirming that fact.

    I'm sure everyone else made the same  or similar conclusion, so I have to guess that it was the writers intention. Not really sure why.


  • No one even bothered to make a post about the episode until a couple hours after it aired.

    Personally, I don't bother because it tends to be more negative than I think is warranted.

    I caught up on reading magazines while watching the walking dead, and it was completely adequate. When the tiger attacked I cheered and got a little more invested.
    KingKobra

  • KingKobra said:

    jleav382 said:

    The most disappointing thing for me at this point is that I watch this show mostly because of the special FX and zombie makeup and this finale left me wanting. In fact I've been gearing up for a herd ever since 709, what happened to the highway herd they were going to use against the sancutary? Or are they kicking that off to next season?

    The one they mowed down with the cars?
    They only eliminated a small portion of the herd, Rick made it a point that "we may need them" and it turned into a big plot point because they had to block the off ramp to keep the herd on the highway. It would be cool if they used this herd for the premiere of season 8 but I'm more inclined to think that its going no where.
  • even though it was dorky. i liked the kings gandalfesque shouting. the gunfight started out great with carl taking down a few people with well placed shots and quickly devolved into poorly choreographed "look intense this direction and hold the trigger" " you guys crouch and walk this direction".
  • All the ChickensAll the Chickens Birmingham, AL
    I almost choked laughing so hard when I saw the trash people riding bicycles into Alexandria. Because of course they do.
    JTKIIImanhattnikceburaska
  • ThomasThomas North Carolina
    Who choreographs any of the action scenes?  I feel like an 8 year old with G.I. Joes can do a better job.  I can give them a pass for everyone shooting on full-auto since it is based on a comic (full-auto is pretty worthless compared to semi-auto), but they're literally just running around shooting at nothing and pointing their guns at their buddies.  The entire shootout seemed extremely campy.
    TheEconomistKela15JTKIIImanhattnikArea51bobceburaska
  • Area51bob said:

    even though it was dorky. i liked the kings gandalfesque shouting. the gunfight started out great with carl taking down a few people with well placed shots and quickly devolved into poorly choreographed "look intense this direction and hold the trigger" " you guys crouch and walk this direction".

    I loved the king's speech. He truly would have been fun to watch pre apocalypse.

    One thing that I would love more of in general is the application of prior skills to the zombie aftermath. Maggie's farmer knowledge and Glen's original delivery boy/gamer tactical skills.

    This may be why I love Carol so much, she is applying survival skills she learned from living in constant danger (domestic violence) to living in constant danger.
    manhattnikCooper88
  • So you're a tiger.  You're all hopped up and excited because you're on the longest walk you've been on in a couple years and going into completely unfamiliar territory.  You see a scene with a kid on his knees, a man on his knees that's already bleeding and some other guy that's making a bunch of noise and moving sporadically. Which do you go after?  Me - if I'm hungry, its the easiest target, the kid or the bleeding dude. If my belly is full and I'm just being hostile, it's the guy doing all the talking and moving.  But in either of those scenarios, it's not one of a half dozen dudes just hanging in the background. But in all seriousness, I don't expect realistic animal behavior in my zombie program.  I do expect the friggin zombies to behave according to the rules of the show. So what's the deal with walker sacha just wandering out of town with all the excitement going on when typically the walkers want to be where the action is?
    TheEconomistJTKIIImanhattnikMelonuskCooper88
  • What's with the Abraham flashback and the premonition about his drowning in the ocean, but his saying that Oceanside isn't on the agenda for this trip they're just getting Maggie somewhere to help with her pregnancy?

    I got the impression that this was supposed to be a flashback, and not an alternate past, but Oceanside wasn't even discovered until after Abraham died.

    If they'd cut out 90% of the Sasha-in-a-box scenes, cut these odd flashbacks until maybe at the end during Maggie's speech, and put a little effort into coordinating the overall fight narrative (and don't fake that Michone may have died off-screen, nobody believes that could happen), then this isn't a bad episode at all.

    I liked the Romulan double-cross for all that it was predictable. I like where they ended-up after the fight. I like the Eugene stuff where he's Negan but not all the time. Just a lot of fluff in here that threw the pacing, and the fight stuff was incomprehensible as if they had some key scenes to get to, but didn't put any effort into connecting the scenes in time/space/movement/story.
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