305 - Chicanery

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  • MelonuskMelonusk Ireland
    That was a riveting hour of TV. I didn't even miss Mike or Gus. From the moment Huell came down the stairs, I was waiting for the hammer to drop. And it dropped good, Chuck's meltdown was incredible to watch. Everyone was so bummed after he admitted, even Jimmy & Kim, they knew they pulled a dirty trick even though that was the only way to prove his fake illness.

    It's only episode 5, what are they going to do for the rest of the season? Is Jimmy transforming to Saul at the end of the season, and would season 4 be the last? To me that sounds like a good timing.

  • Really interesting

    But I hate to say it the chuck vs Jimmy may not be over.  People may think Chuck look Crazy, and that they buy that Jimmy just said he did it to calm his brother down

    But one thing that will hurt him is the comment that said he did it for Kim. Why say that if he was faking just to calm his brother down. That sounded to real, And given he shown in the court room to do trickery the people may go

    "Yea chucks an Ahole and Crazy, But that dude sounded like he switch the number to help his girlfriend."

    I mean him pooping in a car may be on record. So him switching the numbers shouldnt be far off. Also surprise the picture was let into court being that it was taken without permission
  • LiquidTheoryLiquidTheory Chicago, IL
    Just watched the episode. Last night I would have told you nothing would have touched the leftovers this week. Aaaaaaannnd then I watched Better Call Saul. Holy shit! It's a buffet of amazing television, and I'm shoveling in everything Huel's skinny ass left!
  • LiquidTheoryLiquidTheory Chicago, IL
    Oh and "You're Goddamn right I did!!!" Lol
  • gguenotgguenot CA
    edited May 2017
    I'm glad they didn't go full A Few Good Men courtroom drama this episode. Had Jimmy done some grandiose scheme it would have come off as suspicious, but he stayed calm, had a reasonable story, and supported it with a simple demonstration. It was all that was needed and oh so satisfying
  • AjasAjas Seattle, WA
    That last monologue by Chuck was otherworldly.

    My only problem is the Actor who portrays Rebecca... You just listen to the lines she is trying to deliver and think -- You know who would crush this role?...

    Carrie Coon. :)
    nstinsonhisdudeness915
  • emnofseattleemnofseattle Mason County, Washington USA

    Really interesting


    But I hate to say it the chuck vs Jimmy may not be over.  People may think Chuck look Crazy, and that they buy that Jimmy just said he did it to calm his brother down

    But one thing that will hurt him is the comment that said he did it for Kim. Why say that if he was faking just to calm his brother down. That sounded to real, And given he shown in the court room to do trickery the people may go

    "Yea chucks an Ahole and Crazy, But that dude sounded like he switch the number to help his girlfriend."

    I mean him pooping in a car may be on record. So him switching the numbers shouldnt be far off. Also surprise the picture was let into court being that it was taken without permission
    I dunno, even with the line about Kim it's an easy sell. Chuck is clearly the guy who views law as a religion, and wouldn't calm down unless Jimmy gave the means motive and oppurtunity.

    As far as the photos, no one can prove when they were taken and Jimmy had access for years
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    Ajas said:

    That last monologue by Chuck was otherworldly.

    My only problem is the Actor who portrays Rebecca... You just listen to the lines she is trying to deliver and think -- You know who would crush this role?...

    Carrie Coon. :)

    Oi! That's Ann Cusack you're dissing! She's an under-rated Carrie Coon. :-)

    Murderbear
  • My favorite line of the episode:

    Kim -- Nepotism? The firm is Hamlin, Hamlin and McGill, right? Who's the other Hamlin?


    Eat shit, Howard. 
    hisdudeness915MichaelMurderbearDreamRycherKingKobraCretanBull
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    i actually kind of like Howard. He hasn't really done much besides support Chuck which I Guess when you run a law firm named HHM you sort of have to. But we have seen many times he supported Jimmy and also tried to stop Chuck. i definitely would not call him a bad guy.
    DaveyMacMurderbearJames
  • Hatorian said:

    i actually kind of like Howard. He hasn't really done much besides support Chuck which I Guess when you run a law firm named HHM you sort of have to. But we have seen many times he supported Jimmy and also tried to stop Chuck. i definitely would not call him a bad guy.

    As far as I'm concerned, anyone on Team Chuck can eat shit. 
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    Hatorian said:

    i actually kind of like Howard. He hasn't really done much besides support Chuck which I Guess when you run a law firm named HHM you sort of have to. But we have seen many times he supported Jimmy and also tried to stop Chuck. i definitely would not call him a bad guy.

    Yeah, same.
    DaveyMacHatorian
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    I feel like if I was in Howard's shoes I'd do exactly all the same things we have seen. From having to be the bad guy telling Jimmy no he can't be a partner to trying to convince Chuck how his plan to get Jimmy disbarred might backfire.
    DeeDaveyMac
  • Great episode! Would this count as a "bottle episode" like "Fly" in BB? Besides dinner scene at Chuck's house and Huell on stairway it's all set in courtroom. Regardless it was interesting to see BCS as a courtroom drama.

    Really liked the build up to Chuck's arrival at courthouse with all the accommodations made for his "disease" to then be called out as bullshit by Jimmy in a dramatic "Matlock" tv lawyer way. It shows how Jimmy is just as effective a lawyer as Chuck in his own way.
  • elgat0elgat0 Clearwater
    To go old school, Chuck's meltdown on the stand was very close to Captain Queeg's testimony in the Caine Mutiny.  Except that Chuck was right about Jimmy and Queeg was simply paranoid about the strawberryies.  Either way, both brought down by unhinged obesessions.
    emnofseattle
  • Alkaid13Alkaid13 Georgia
    @Ajas
    If Carrie Coon was also a major character on this show I don't know if Aron would've ever be able to keep the characters straight.
  • Alkaid13Alkaid13 Georgia
    Howard is a little too willing to just bow to Chuck's BS sometimes, but I understand why he does all the things he does so I'm pretty sympathetic towards him overall. If I was him right now though I'd be trying to get Chuck out of my business ASAP, he's way more trouble to keep around than the price of buying him out at this point.
    DaveyMac
  • Hatorian said:

    I feel like if I was in Howard's shoes I'd do exactly all the same things we have seen. From having to be the bad guy telling Jimmy no he can't be a partner to trying to convince Chuck how his plan to get Jimmy disbarred might backfire.

    What about punishing Kim for Jimmy's insubordination at another company? Would you also claim nepotism is an issue when you are the direct beneficiary of it? He may not be the unwashed asshole that Jimmy claimed in season 1, but he's at least a little bit of an asshole. 
    Murderbear
  • It stood out to me how many times the photographs Jimmy used as evidence were brought up, and I was surprised Chuck didn't seem to wonder how/when Jimmy took those photos. It was such a good cliffhanger to leave the hearing in session, so now they have room to go so many ways with what we saw right at the end.
    HatorianDoctor_Nick
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    Melia004 said:

    It stood out to me how many times the photographs Jimmy used as evidence were brought up, and I was surprised Chuck didn't seem to wonder how/when Jimmy took those photos. It was such a good cliffhanger to leave the hearing in session, so now they have room to go so many ways with what we saw right at the end.

    Yea. That's a good point. If they don't address the photos then that would be a pretty big oversight.
  • calebthrowercalebthrower South Carolina
    edited May 2017
    I'm trying to decide what was the better ending scene this week...Nora with the water streaming down her face or Chuck in shock with the exit sign buzzing. Both are such perfect examples of film making
    Melia004
  • Jimmy could have taken the photos at any time that he had a key, surely? I don't think Chuck would put it past Jimmy to have taken them as a kind of insurance policy for any future issues that might come up.
  • Hatorian said:

    Melia004 said:

    It stood out to me how many times the photographs Jimmy used as evidence were brought up, and I was surprised Chuck didn't seem to wonder how/when Jimmy took those photos. It was such a good cliffhanger to leave the hearing in session, so now they have room to go so many ways with what we saw right at the end.

    Yea. That's a good point. If they don't address the photos then that would be a pretty big oversight.
    In all of the emotional buildup and anxiety Chuck was experiencing I'm sure he could easily overlook that since Jimmy used to regularly be in his home
  • MurderbearMurderbear Cold Spring, Ky
    Honestly, I had that thought when Mike gave the pictures to Jimmy. Like, hey, we've got a picture of a newspaper here and that newspaper came out May 10th, how the hell did you get that picture??
    gguenot
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    Alkaid13 said:

    Howard is a little too willing to just bow to Chuck's BS sometimes, but I understand why he does all the things he does so I'm pretty sympathetic towards him overall. If I was him right now though I'd be trying to get Chuck out of my business ASAP, he's way more trouble to keep around than the price of buying him out at this point.

    I don't think he can afford to financially - didn't Jimmy threaten him in S1 with Chuck pulling his money out? Poor Howard is stuck - Chuck is a millstone around his neck but buying him out would bankrupt his business.

  • emnofseattleemnofseattle Mason County, Washington USA

    Honestly, I had that thought when Mike gave the pictures to Jimmy. Like, hey, we've got a picture of a newspaper here and that newspaper came out May 10th, how the hell did you get that picture??

    move the lantern to cover the date on the paper. 
  • Really interesting


    But I hate to say it the chuck vs Jimmy may not be over.  People may think Chuck look Crazy, and that they buy that Jimmy just said he did it to calm his brother down

    But one thing that will hurt him is the comment that said he did it for Kim. Why say that if he was faking just to calm his brother down. That sounded to real, And given he shown in the court room to do trickery the people may go

    "Yea chucks an Ahole and Crazy, But that dude sounded like he switch the number to help his girlfriend."

    I mean him pooping in a car may be on record. So him switching the numbers shouldnt be far off. Also surprise the picture was let into court being that it was taken without permission
    I dunno, even with the line about Kim it's an easy sell. Chuck is clearly the guy who views law as a religion, and wouldn't calm down unless Jimmy gave the means motive and oppurtunity.

    As far as the photos, no one can prove when they were taken and Jimmy had access for years
    I think that they made a big deal about the newspapers in the photos because it identifies when is was taken. 
  • AjasAjas Seattle, WA
    edited May 2017

  • Really interesting


    But I hate to say it the chuck vs Jimmy may not be over.  People may think Chuck look Crazy, and that they buy that Jimmy just said he did it to calm his brother down

    But one thing that will hurt him is the comment that said he did it for Kim. Why say that if he was faking just to calm his brother down. That sounded to real, And given he shown in the court room to do trickery the people may go

    "Yea chucks an Ahole and Crazy, But that dude sounded like he switch the number to help his girlfriend."

    I mean him pooping in a car may be on record. So him switching the numbers shouldnt be far off. Also surprise the picture was let into court being that it was taken without permission
    I dunno, even with the line about Kim it's an easy sell. Chuck is clearly the guy who views law as a religion, and wouldn't calm down unless Jimmy gave the means motive and oppurtunity.

    As far as the photos, no one can prove when they were taken and Jimmy had access for years
    I think that they made a big deal about the newspapers in the photos because it identifies when is was taken. 
    I haven't seen the pics, but do we know they were current newspapers?
  • emnofseattleemnofseattle Mason County, Washington USA
    Jujee said:

    Really interesting


    But I hate to say it the chuck vs Jimmy may not be over.  People may think Chuck look Crazy, and that they buy that Jimmy just said he did it to calm his brother down

    But one thing that will hurt him is the comment that said he did it for Kim. Why say that if he was faking just to calm his brother down. That sounded to real, And given he shown in the court room to do trickery the people may go

    "Yea chucks an Ahole and Crazy, But that dude sounded like he switch the number to help his girlfriend."

    I mean him pooping in a car may be on record. So him switching the numbers shouldnt be far off. Also surprise the picture was let into court being that it was taken without permission
    I dunno, even with the line about Kim it's an easy sell. Chuck is clearly the guy who views law as a religion, and wouldn't calm down unless Jimmy gave the means motive and oppurtunity.

    As far as the photos, no one can prove when they were taken and Jimmy had access for years
    I think that they made a big deal about the newspapers in the photos because it identifies when is was taken. 
    I haven't seen the pics, but do we know they were current newspapers?
    It really doesn't matter, I don't think Mike would make a careless mistake like leave evidence of him doing the job (which is what that dates newspaper would do) and even if he did, Chuck already sounds unhinged, he starts yammering about contractors on Jimmys take he will be making that dad being taken out of that hearing in a straight jacket by men in white coats

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