I will post one more local story to my area, this is one that makes me mad because the media is once again shown to use bad reporting and fails to report actual facts.
So what happened, last Monday several thousand Atlantic salmon escaped a fish farm in puget sound and now WA Dept of Fish and Wildlife is encouraging people to fish them out with no limits, but look at this story from the LA times
So they're painting this picture that the Atlantic Salmon are a threat to the pacific salmon species, while not mentioning that British Columbia made numerous attempts to colonize lakes and rivers in Vancouver Island with stocked Atlantic salmon, the BC government released MILLIONS of these fish over the course of ten years before World War Two, they all quickly died out, the Atlantic Salmon, if history is any guide, are not a threat to pacific salmon, they have only one biological advantage, which is they can spawn more then once in their lives but this is rare in the wild, and all the predators that eat pacific salmon will readily eat Atlantic too.
I do...doesn't change the fact of these idiotic demands made by this woman. I'm a moderate conservative and I like Ben Shapiro because he will gladly bash Trump/Republicans if he feels it's necessary (which he does) and he hates the alt right (because they are idiots, and they target him since he is Jewish). He is what I wish most Republicans were. Also listen to the NPR Politics Podcast and enjoy it as well, find them both insightful.
Should I ask if you read/watch/listen to MSNBC/CNN to try and pigeon hole you as well?
I do...doesn't change the fact of these idiotic demands made by this woman. I'm a moderate conservative and I like Ben Shapiro because he will gladly bash Trump/Republicans if he feels it's necessary (which he does) and he hates the alt right (because they are idiots, and they target him since he is Jewish). He is what I wish most Republicans were. Also listen to the NPR Politics Podcast and enjoy it as well, find them both insightful.
Should I ask if you read/watch/listen to MSNBC/CNN to try and pigeon hole you?
Whoa, ease up - it wasn't an attack!
Its just that this story came out weeks ago without any notice, then today Dailywire published a misleading story about it and my conservative friends have lit up Facebook with it. Given that you posted this today (and not weeks ago) I assumed you got it from there - that's all.
As for the story itself, she didn't make any "demands" (which is the word Dailywire used) she wrote an article to answer a question that white people constantly ask her -"how can I help". In her original article - the one you posted a link to - she made a list of "requests", not demands. The difference between 'demand' and 'request' isn't a semantic non-factor. If I request that you give me your wallet, it's a rude an awkward question. If I demand that you give me your wallet, I've just committed a crime.
I'm not defending the article because most of it is absurd and makes assumptions that put her own lack of understanding on display ("You’re bound to make that money in some other white privileged way" is one of the most profoundly ignorant things I've ever read)....but its a little rich for the "FAKE NEWS!" people to significantly change the tone and intention of an article to spark an unjustified outrage (demonizing an African American civil rights group in the process...maybe not the best timing for that given what's happened recently and the accusations flying towards the right).
As for my news preferences - Toronto Star, CBC News, NYT, WSJ, Financial Times and to a lesser degree the Washington Post (most just Trump stuff!). For commentary (which I take with a grain of salt) - Don Lemon on CNN and The Young Turks.
I also like Ben Shapiro, even when I disagree with him (which is pretty often!) he's a sane commentator and doesn't go off the deep end, his arguments are fact-based - even when he twists the facts to suit his ends (the commentators that I like - Lemon and TYT do the same thing).
My bad mate. Shapiro will call out Fake News but he def isn't on Trump's or Fox News level of accusing people of fake news. I've seen him often say something isn't fake just because the president wants it to be...and I do love his impression of Chris Matthews.
I get what you are saying about the article being her making a request and not demands, but some of them (more of the later ones) read likes demands. Either way, she had to know that writing out that list would just piss off white supremacist and fuel their fire.
I'm not saying she should stay quiet about racism and the raw deal African Americans can get at times, but make reasonable requests rather than the ones she made which no one will actually go through with. The request that I specifically pointed out is particularly inflammatory and racist.
My bad mate. Shapiro will call out Fake News but he def isn't on Trump's or Fox News level of accusing people of fake news. I've seen him often say something isn't fake just because the president wants it to be...and I do love his impression of Chris Matthews.
I get what you are saying about the article being her making a request and not demands, but some of them (more of the later ones) read likes demands. Either way, she had to know that writing out that list would just piss off white supremacist and fuel their fire.
I'm not saying she should stay quiet about racism and the raw deal African Americans can get at times, but make reasonable requests rather than the ones she made which no one will actually go through with. The request that I specifically pointed out is particularly inflammatory and racist.
Ever tried the NPR Politics podcast?
Shapiro was on the Joe Rogan podcast recently (last week? two weeks ago) - did you listen to that? He was also on with Don Lemon last night (he's on pretty regularly).
It's a dumb article all round, but it only becomes ridiculous when they're presented as demands. Even as 'request' they aren't blanket requests from all white people, she wrote it to specifically answer the question "how can I help?" So she's putting out (absurd) requests to people who reached out to her looking for ways to help. Again, still really dumb, short-sighted and ignorant - but hardly worthy of the outrage that it got when it was presented as BLM demanding these things from all white people.
Even look at the comments on the original posting, there's a ton of people saying things like "It takes some serious skill to make an ultra-liberal like myself sympathize with Nazis.", "I am a supporter of the BLM movement but not like it is suggested in this article", "I can't believe it isn't satire. This is incredibly bigoted and sounds like you're promoting violence and hatred." - her own target audience thought it was stupid, but the Dailywire presented it as if it was some kind of mainstream BLM manifesto.
I haven't heard the NPR politics podcast, but I suspect that I'd like it....I've liked just about everything that I've heard from NPR. I'll give it a listen!
It's good. They don't lean too heavily in any one direction and are probably the best at at least trying to stay impartial. The Politics podcast does a Thursday roundup of the week before and a Monday mailbag, and will pop on for special coverage of big events.
Occasionally I'll listen to slate's political gabfest as well.
It's good. They don't lean too heavily in any one direction and are probably the best at at least trying to stay impartial. The Politics podcast does a Thursday roundup of the week before and a Monday mailbag, and will pop on for special coverage of big events.
Occasionally I'll listen to slate's political gabfest as well.
I spend 2 hours on a commuter train every day (an hour to and from work)..if I'm mentally alert, I usually read the paper but if I'm semi-out of it, which is often!, I use that time to listen to podcasts...I'll download the last couple of episodes onto my phone tonight and I'll give them a listen tomorrow - thanks for the recommendation!
http://www.npr.org/2017/08/25/545282459/president-trump-pardons-former-sheriff-joe-arpaio You know, maybe when both sides of the aisle think you might be getting a bit too cozy with racists, pardoning a sheriff that a lot of people consider racist just because he supported your campaign might not be the best idea, but then again who ever accused Trump of having good ideas.
@KingKobra Don't forget NK launched more missles today and new green card restrictions. Happy Friday everyone.
@CretanBull Hahahaha, oh man, bring respectability to this White House, that's the best joke I've heard all day. He's gonna have a real uphill battle with the head clown in charge as his boss.
@CretanBull Hahahaha, oh man, bring respectability to this White House, that's the best joke I've heard all day. He's gonna have a real uphill battle with the head clown in charge as his boss.
It's a herculean task for sure, but Bannon gone, Gorka gone and Stephen Miller sweating like (Nazi) pig...Kelly's reversed 3 of Trump's mistakes.
The Sherrif pardon is just dumb. It's morally gross but just politicallly dumb. The people that are happy about this were already die hard Trumpers. A week ago he had that Charolettsville debacle, and was trying to prove he isn't racist. So a week later you pardon one of the most despicable racist in America? My twitter feed is filled with conservatives just disgusted with this move. The guy doesn't know when to put the shovel down, does he? Even the Justice Department is quietly annoyed that he didn't use the standard procedures of pardoning.
nah i think he's good with being adored by 25%-33% of people (including people who if they aren't racists certainly have no big problem with racism) and hated by 66-75%, which is where it seems likely this stuff winds up.
The Sherrif pardon is just dumb. It's morally gross but just politicallly dumb. The people that are happy about this were already die hard Trumpers. A week ago he had that Charolettsville debacle, and was trying to prove he isn't racist. So a week later you pardon one of the most despicable racist in America? My twitter feed is filled with conservatives just disgusted with this move. The guy doesn't know when to put the shovel down, does he? Even the Justice Department is quietly annoyed that he didn't use the standard procedures of pardoning.
It's perfectly fine, so Unlike previous presidents Trump doesn't wait until being a lame duck to make his controversial pardons, I'm going to take a wild stab that you never criticized Clinton for the various pardons he made, like Susan Mcdougall whom it's plainly obvious was pardoned as part of a pre-arraigned deal to obstruct justice on his behalf.
The Sherrif pardon is just dumb. It's morally gross but just politicallly dumb. The people that are happy about this were already die hard Trumpers. A week ago he had that Charolettsville debacle, and was trying to prove he isn't racist. So a week later you pardon one of the most despicable racist in America? My twitter feed is filled with conservatives just disgusted with this move. The guy doesn't know when to put the shovel down, does he? Even the Justice Department is quietly annoyed that he didn't use the standard procedures of pardoning.
It's especially stupid because he didn't wait for the sentencing. Arpaio is an 85 year old guy, with a life time of service to the country, no criminal record and was facing a relatively minor charge. He probably would have gotten probation, or a small enough sentence (a few months) where they would have given him 'time served' for the time he spent in custody awaiting sentencing. So it would have been over before it ever really started. In the event that the judge went crazy and gave him the max (which still wouldn't be that much, but at his age could have been a problem) then Trump could have stepped in.
In the end, this likely did very little to help Arpaio and hurt Trump badly with 'regular' conservatives....BUT it did send a nice message to people involved in the Russian investigation that loyalty has its rewards.
I mean it's a perfectly fine thing to do if you just want to maintain your dwindling supporters who will stick with you through literally anything you do because why would they care? If you were planning to win re-election, those people who waffled on Clinton last time and thought you might be ok and made up enough of a difference for you to win are probably turned off by this sort of thing, but since you've already lost most of them by now anyways who cares. Unless Trump somehow has an increasingly unlikely turnaround or Mueller turns up some real impeachment material he'll end up riding out his only term probably around 25-33%, get defeated by a more mainstream Republican in primary, and retire to a semi-successful tv channel from which he can continue to complain about everyone and everything.
I mean it's a perfectly fine thing to do if you just want to maintain your dwindling supporters who will stick with you through literally anything you do because why would they care? If you were planning to win re-election, those people who waffled on Clinton last time and thought you might be ok and made up enough of a difference for you to win are probably turned off by this sort of thing, but since you've already lost most of them by now anyways who cares. Unless Trump somehow has an increasingly unlikely turnaround or Mueller turns up some real impeachment material he'll end up riding out his only term probably around 25-33%, get defeated by a more mainstream Republican in primary, and retire to a semi-successful tv channel from which he can continue to complain about everyone and everything.
Not a single person who voted for Trump changed their mind over the Arpaio pardon.
I think plenty may have over the Charlottesville response, but not over the pardon, pardoning allies is routine in this country, and anyone who questions that can look into the entire history of why there's a pardon power in the first place
The Sherrif pardon is just dumb. It's morally gross but just politicallly dumb. The people that are happy about this were already die hard Trumpers. A week ago he had that Charolettsville debacle, and was trying to prove he isn't racist. So a week later you pardon one of the most despicable racist in America? My twitter feed is filled with conservatives just disgusted with this move. The guy doesn't know when to put the shovel down, does he? Even the Justice Department is quietly annoyed that he didn't use the standard procedures of pardoning.
It's perfectly fine, so Unlike previous presidents Trump doesn't wait until being a lame duck to make his controversial pardons, I'm going to take a wild stab that you never criticized Clinton for the various pardons he made, like Susan Mcdougall whom it's plainly obvious was pardoned as part of a pre-arraigned deal to obstruct justice on his behalf.
Trump became a lame duck about 6 months into his Presidency...bottom of the barrel approval ratings and not a single legislative victory to speak of despite controlling the House and Senate.
@emnofseattle I actually agree with you on this point, essentially the pardon has just calcified everyone's previous views on Trump. It didn't exactly win him any voters which is probably not great but it likely won't really hurt him either. I will say this is usually why most presidents wait until the end of the second terms to get really pardon heavy since no pardons have ever polled well amongst people but if you're not actually looking to get re-elected then that doesn't really matter, which I don't know if Trump actually wants to run again.
On a personal level I do think pretty much every modern president has abused the pardon power beyond its intended use but I also think modern presidents have abused a lot of their political powers beyond their intended use so take that for what you will I suppose.
On a personal level I do think pretty much every modern president has abused the pardon power beyond its intended use but I also think modern presidents have abused a lot of their political powers beyond their intended use so take that for what you will I suppose.
Know who didn't? Bush Jr. He ultimately commuted the length of Scooter Libby's sentence, but left the sentence itself (the conditions etc) intact, and he only did that after Libby exhausted all of his other legal options. When people are debating who the worst President in history was, this is one point in Bush Jr's favour.
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So what happened, last Monday several thousand Atlantic salmon escaped a fish farm in puget sound and now WA Dept of Fish and Wildlife is encouraging people to fish them out with no limits, but look at this story from the LA times
https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-salmon-escape-20170823-story,amp.html
So they're painting this picture that the Atlantic Salmon are a threat to the pacific salmon species, while not mentioning that British Columbia made numerous attempts to colonize lakes and rivers in Vancouver Island with stocked Atlantic salmon, the BC government released MILLIONS of these fish over the course of ten years before World War Two, they all quickly died out, the Atlantic Salmon, if history is any guide, are not a threat to pacific salmon, they have only one biological advantage, which is they can spawn more then once in their lives but this is rare in the wild, and all the predators that eat pacific salmon will readily eat Atlantic too.
No. 8 is particularly helpful lol
Should I ask if you read/watch/listen to MSNBC/CNN to try and pigeon hole you as well?
Whoa, ease up - it wasn't an attack!
Its just that this story came out weeks ago without any notice, then today Dailywire published a misleading story about it and my conservative friends have lit up Facebook with it. Given that you posted this today (and not weeks ago) I assumed you got it from there - that's all.
As for the story itself, she didn't make any "demands" (which is the word Dailywire used) she wrote an article to answer a question that white people constantly ask her -"how can I help". In her original article - the one you posted a link to - she made a list of "requests", not demands. The difference between 'demand' and 'request' isn't a semantic non-factor. If I request that you give me your wallet, it's a rude an awkward question. If I demand that you give me your wallet, I've just committed a crime.
I'm not defending the article because most of it is absurd and makes assumptions that put her own lack of understanding on display ("You’re bound to make that money in some other white privileged way" is one of the most profoundly ignorant things I've ever read)....but its a little rich for the "FAKE NEWS!" people to significantly change the tone and intention of an article to spark an unjustified outrage (demonizing an African American civil rights group in the process...maybe not the best timing for that given what's happened recently and the accusations flying towards the right).
As for my news preferences - Toronto Star, CBC News, NYT, WSJ, Financial Times and to a lesser degree the Washington Post (most just Trump stuff!). For commentary (which I take with a grain of salt) - Don Lemon on CNN and The Young Turks.
I also like Ben Shapiro, even when I disagree with him (which is pretty often!) he's a sane commentator and doesn't go off the deep end, his arguments are fact-based - even when he twists the facts to suit his ends (the commentators that I like - Lemon and TYT do the same thing).
I get what you are saying about the article being her making a request and not demands, but some of them (more of the later ones) read likes demands. Either way, she had to know that writing out that list would just piss off white supremacist and fuel their fire.
I'm not saying she should stay quiet about racism and the raw deal African Americans can get at times, but make reasonable requests rather than the ones she made which no one will actually go through with. The request that I specifically pointed out is particularly inflammatory and racist.
Ever tried the NPR Politics podcast?
Shapiro was on the Joe Rogan podcast recently (last week? two weeks ago) - did you listen to that? He was also on with Don Lemon last night (he's on pretty regularly).
It's a dumb article all round, but it only becomes ridiculous when they're presented as demands. Even as 'request' they aren't blanket requests from all white people, she wrote it to specifically answer the question "how can I help?" So she's putting out (absurd) requests to people who reached out to her looking for ways to help. Again, still really dumb, short-sighted and ignorant - but hardly worthy of the outrage that it got when it was presented as BLM demanding these things from all white people.
Even look at the comments on the original posting, there's a ton of people saying things like "It takes some serious skill to make an ultra-liberal like myself sympathize with Nazis.", "I am a supporter of the BLM movement but not like it is suggested in this article", "I can't believe it isn't satire. This is incredibly bigoted and sounds like you're promoting violence and hatred." - her own target audience thought it was stupid, but the Dailywire presented it as if it was some kind of mainstream BLM manifesto.
I haven't heard the NPR politics podcast, but I suspect that I'd like it....I've liked just about everything that I've heard from NPR. I'll give it a listen!
Occasionally I'll listen to slate's political gabfest as well.
You know, maybe when both sides of the aisle think you might be getting a bit too cozy with racists, pardoning a sheriff that a lot of people consider racist just because he supported your campaign might not be the best idea, but then again who ever accused Trump of having good ideas.
Don't forget NK launched more missles today and new green card restrictions. Happy Friday everyone.
@CretanBull
Hahahaha, oh man, bring respectability to this White House, that's the best joke I've heard all day. He's gonna have a real uphill battle with the head clown in charge as his boss.
It's especially stupid because he didn't wait for the sentencing. Arpaio is an 85 year old guy, with a life time of service to the country, no criminal record and was facing a relatively minor charge. He probably would have gotten probation, or a small enough sentence (a few months) where they would have given him 'time served' for the time he spent in custody awaiting sentencing. So it would have been over before it ever really started. In the event that the judge went crazy and gave him the max (which still wouldn't be that much, but at his age could have been a problem) then Trump could have stepped in.
In the end, this likely did very little to help Arpaio and hurt Trump badly with 'regular' conservatives....BUT it did send a nice message to people involved in the Russian investigation that loyalty has its rewards.
I think plenty may have over the Charlottesville response, but not over the pardon, pardoning allies is routine in this country, and anyone who questions that can look into the entire history of why there's a pardon power in the first place
I actually agree with you on this point, essentially the pardon has just calcified everyone's previous views on Trump. It didn't exactly win him any voters which is probably not great but it likely won't really hurt him either. I will say this is usually why most presidents wait until the end of the second terms to get really pardon heavy since no pardons have ever polled well amongst people but if you're not actually looking to get re-elected then that doesn't really matter, which I don't know if Trump actually wants to run again.