Does this type of shit happen to you? It seems to happen to me more and more.
I’am at the grocery store at 9 am. In there is myself some nice old lady and a young lady with toddler. The lady working the register is Hispanic. Some dude comes in line starts talking aloud, I don’t know who he is talking too. You know he starts going on about what Trump said. He says aloud the thing about shitholes. I’m going blind with rage, everyone else seems afraid. Anyway I got my ass out before I lost it. I saw him walking in the lot he looked like he was proud of himself. FUCK!
President must not have said it - the Repugnantcans in the meeting either did not hear it or refuse to comment. GOP stands united!!!!!
We know Trump is a racist, that's nothing new....I'm not shocked by what he said, I expect it. The people standing by who damn well know he said it and are saying nothing - even after the White House confirmed it - repulse me to no end. That's leadership in their eyes?
Anderson Cooper and Don Lemon continue to actually "tell it like it is" and prove that they're in touch with true progressive ideals.
And for some more news that will make you literally question if you're dreaming and having a nightmare.
In October, NBC reported that President Trump had told a gathering of high-ranking national security leaders that “he wanted what amounted to a nearly tenfold increase in the U.S. nuclear arsenal.” While the report doesn’t nearly go that far, it does call for the development of new, so-called low-yield nuclear weapons — warheads with a lower explosive force.
The logic of those pushing for the development of smaller nukes is that our current nuclear weapons are too big and too deadly to ever use; we are effectively self-deterred, and the world knows it. To make sure other countries believe that we’d actually use nuclear force, the thinking goes, we need more low-yield nukes.
But official language around nuclear weapons is slippery and euphemistic. “Low yield” suggests a softer sort of weaponry, diet nukes, until you realize that the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were technically “low-yield” weapons.
Trump’s NPR draft euphemizes the euphemism, referring to low-yield weapons as “supplements” that will “enhance deterrence.” The document claims that Russia is threatening to use these smaller nuclear weapons; the U.S. needs to match and deter the Russians in kind . What goes unmentioned is that we already have over 1,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal with low-yield options, to say nothing of the fact that the more nuclear weapons you introduce into the world, the more likely it is that they’ll one day be used.
And this new low-yield weapon initiative is one of those reversals. The 2010 NPR essentially removed one tactical low-yield weapon from our arsenal. The Trump administration wants to bring more low-yield weapons back in.
And when this latest NPR draft does attempt to defend the decision, it immediately contradicts itself.
“If you’re saying that having low-yield nuclear weapons does not lower the threshold for use, then you’re essentially saying there’s no difference between using a low-yield and a high-yield weapon,” said Bell. “You’re saying that we would use a high-yield weapon if we have to — or one of the low-yield weapons we already have in our stockpile. If you’re saying adamantly in here that this won’t change our current posture choices, it basically negates your reason to have this capability in the first place.”
What’s more, the report never really explains how any of these new capabilities would alter our security environment.
“By their own argument, they’re concerned that somehow the other side thinks that our current stockpile is getting in the way of our willingness to use nuclear weapons,” explained Anthony Wier, a former deputy assistant secretary in the State Department’s Bureau of Legislative Affairs who now works on nuclear weapons policy for the Friends Committee on National Legislation, a Quaker lobbying organization. “Outside of the drafters of this posture review, I can hardly think of any Americans who would have woken up this morning worrying that Donald Trump was not willing enough to use nuclear weapons.”
And yet the document argues that somehow our adversaries do think that, and so we need additional options to close this imagined credibility gap. What’s missing is any evidence to support the idea that Russia or any other country believes this to be true.
What the posture review makes clear, however, is that the Trump administration wants to produce a considerable number of new nukes. This would represent a break from precedents established even by Republican administrations. The George W. Bush administration cut our nuclear stockpile by more than half, down to roughly 5,000 warheads.
The George H.W. Bush administration cut our stockpile by nearly 9,500 warheads. “Basically everything about this document screams that we’re probably only going up,” Wier said. “There’s no reduction listed anywhere that I could find.
The report is also noticeably vague when it comes to the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, a global ban on nuclear explosive testing. While the 2010 report reaffirms nearly a dozen times the United States’ dedication to maintaining its stockpile without nuclear testing, this latest NPR draft says the country will not resume nuclear testing “unless necessary.”
Does this type of shit happen to you? It seems to happen to me more and more.
I’am at the grocery store at 9 am. In there is myself some nice old lady and a young lady with toddler. The lady working the register is Hispanic. Some dude comes in line starts talking aloud, I don’t know who he is talking too. You know he starts going on about what Trump said. He says aloud the thing about shitholes. I’m going blind with rage, everyone else seems afraid. Anyway I got my ass out before I lost it. I saw him walking in the lot he looked like he was proud of himself. FUCK!
In Australia we’ve had a number of viral videos of people going off on racist rants on public transport, yelling at some poor Muslim or Asian or Sudanese person (almost invariably women because racists are fucking cowards and won’t abuse a man who might have the strength and aggression to deck them) who’s just trying to get from point A to point B. Our politicians are not the morons Trump is (well, some exceptions *cough*PaulineHanson*cough*), but they definitely push the “foreign is bad” line, which emboldens those with racist tendencies to be openly abusive and hateful, in my opinion.
When I read an full article on the "shithole" country comment, I read this, from comments he made last year while discussing immigration,
"Forty thousand had come from Nigeria, Mr. Trump added. Once they had seen the United States, they would never 'go back to their huts' in Africa, recalled the two officials, who asked for anonymity to discuss a sensitive conversation in the Oval Office."
There was also a comment about how all Haitians have AIDS.
If these are true, and the the only reason I doubt them is because how unbelievably racist and ANCIENT this kind of thinking is....I mean this is beyond words. To be SO, SOOO deeply ignorant about the world, while occupying the highest office in the country. I am always amazed that we still have not reached peak fear and shock with this sorry excuse for a man.
Does this type of shit happen to you? It seems to happen to me more and more.
I’am at the grocery store at 9 am. In there is myself some nice old lady and a young lady with toddler. The lady working the register is Hispanic. Some dude comes in line starts talking aloud, I don’t know who he is talking too. You know he starts going on about what Trump said. He says aloud the thing about shitholes. I’m going blind with rage, everyone else seems afraid. Anyway I got my ass out before I lost it. I saw him walking in the lot he looked like he was proud of himself. FUCK!
There's concern about this type of stuff on college campuses right now (I work on one). Here's one thing that happened last year on one of our branch campuses: UW Bothell investigating possible hate crime against Muslim women. And of course everyone remembers when Milo Y came to our campus, there was some kind of altercation and one of his supporters shot someone.
After that person who was all tatted up with swastikas and carrying an object resembling brass knuckles came after her husband
you left that part out of the story, there’s a reason she was released from custody that night without being arrested
Does this type of shit happen to you? It seems to happen to me more and more.
I’am at the grocery store at 9 am. In there is myself some nice old lady and a young lady with toddler. The lady working the register is Hispanic. Some dude comes in line starts talking aloud, I don’t know who he is talking too. You know he starts going on about what Trump said. He says aloud the thing about shitholes. I’m going blind with rage, everyone else seems afraid. Anyway I got my ass out before I lost it. I saw him walking in the lot he looked like he was proud of himself. FUCK!
There's concern about this type of stuff on college campuses right now (I work on one). Here's one thing that happened last year on one of our branch campuses: UW Bothell investigating possible hate crime against Muslim women. And of course everyone remembers when Milo Y came to our campus, there was some kind of altercation and one of his supporters shot someone.
After that person who was all tatted up with swastikas and carrying an object resembling brass knuckles came after her husband
you left that part out of the story, there’s a reason she was released from custody that night without being arrested
I left out that part of the story because it is untrue. I was about to waste my time providing details, but any reasonable person reading this can google it. The shooter was Elizabeth Hokoana and the victim was Joshua Dukes.
Also, regardless of the details, when Milo Y. came to campus, his supporters came with the documented intent to "crush skulls" and cause mayhem. As a person who works on campus and cares about the safety of our community, that is enough to cause concern.
Uh yes was contacted by police carrying a knife and an object resembling knuckles. That was put out on the radio by officers when Dukes was contacted (oh by the way fixed bladed knives are not legal to carry in Seattle) so it really can’t be denied Dukes was armed with an illegal weapon at the time of the altercation and was involved in a fight with Marc Hokoana
Does this type of shit happen to you? It seems to happen to me more and more.
I’am at the grocery store at 9 am. In there is myself some nice old lady and a young lady with toddler. The lady working the register is Hispanic. Some dude comes in line starts talking aloud, I don’t know who he is talking too. You know he starts going on about what Trump said. He says aloud the thing about shitholes. I’m going blind with rage, everyone else seems afraid. Anyway I got my ass out before I lost it. I saw him walking in the lot he looked like he was proud of himself. FUCK!
There's concern about this type of stuff on college campuses right now (I work on one). Here's one thing that happened last year on one of our branch campuses: UW Bothell investigating possible hate crime against Muslim women. And of course everyone remembers when Milo Y came to our campus, there was some kind of altercation and one of his supporters shot someone.
After that person who was all tatted up with swastikas and carrying an object resembling brass knuckles came after her husband
you left that part out of the story, there’s a reason she was released from custody that night without being arrested
He didn't have a swastika tattoo...he had an anti-fascist symbol - a crossed out swastika. His 'brass knuckles' was a plastic finger strengthener used by guitar players. He wasn't 'carrying' it in a away that it could have been mistaken as a weapon, it was found in one of his pockets by a medic as he was being taken the hospital.
He didn't come after her husband, he tried to get between her husband and another guy to deescalate the situation...audio analysis of a tape showed that her husband was telling her not to shoot.
Anyways... As a part of the campus community, the concerning part of this isn't the details of who had what weapons and what person threw what punch first. The concerning part of this is that someone came to campus to purposely rile people up and spread hate speech and his followers also came to campus with the same intent. There are always some kind of protests going on on campus; it's just a part of the campus environment nowadays. But they are usually peaceful and safe.
No, Milo came to speak. First off I’ve met Jessie Gamble (the head of the UW republicans who invited Milo) in person, and I’m convinced of the sincerity of her motives. and if you want hate speech go talk to her about what these vile leftists were threatening her with for extending the invite, death was not the worst one compared to some of them. this was a speaking event and Milo speaks without fees unlike many more conventional speakers, that’s one of the reasons Milo ended up coming.
The leftists showed up to provoke a fight, this is what they do all the time, if you’re not a leftist you’re not allowed to have your own events without some SJW disrupting it. This Wobbly who got shot didn’t come for a rational discussion of ideas, he came with an illegal knife, an implement that I believe he intended for use as a weapon that wouldn’t trigger arrest for brass knuckles since that guitar tuner can basically be used to enhance a punch, with provocative images of racist symbols prominently on his forehead, and dressed like a thug, amongst a group of people who came armed with clubs to disrupt a legally permitted and constitutionally protected event, and all of that still doesn’t get condemnation
because if everyone showed up to see Milo and the protestors stayed in their area and didn’t stop anyone or attack anyone and all of that noting would have happened that night.
Milo is a charlatan devoid of any actual coherent ideas or policies that he hasn't stolen and distorted from the 1970s conservatives. He's an incendiary figure that offers no substance whatsoever. To extend an invite to his kind at an institution of learning is an insult to everyone from the right to the left. If the right wishes to be represented by vapid thought leaders, then they are just demonstrating that they offer no real substance, whatsoever.
And if you can tell me what Milo represents but a pre-pubescent mindset, go for it. Until then, he should drop off the face of the political discussion, as he represents nothing but unbridled egotism and narcissism.
I haven't commented in a long time, so I figure that I should introduce myself, at least where I stand politically.
About me: I will be honest, there are many issues where I find myself struggling to find a solution. I used to consider myself a moderate independent, but I feel like both political parties have moved towards extreme viewpoints. There seems to be very little grey anymore. However, after the shift (whether perceived or reality), I do find myself leaning right. I lean left on: Global warming, abortion, gay rights, net neutrality, etc. I lean right on gun control, economic freedom, illegal immigration, racial privilege, etc. Also against the war on drugs, not sure either side is doing a great job there.
I am sure that I left out many key issues, this is just off of the top of my head. I voted third party, I am Hispanic, I love my country and consider myself a patriot. That doesn't mean that everything is perfect, but I would rather live here than 85% of the developing / undeveloped world.
On Topic: I don't like Milo, he comes across as a provocateur, a douchebag, and a troll. However, I believe all schools of thought should be discussed civically, especially at "institutions of learning". He obviously had supporters at the event. I sometimes wonder if it would be better if counter protests were forced to take place a certain distance from the event?
I do have a question for you all. How many of you listen to alternative viewpoints? I know some of you do, judging by how you respond to Emnofseattle; Cretanbull and akritenbrink come to mind. I am just curious, not being judgemental. I read these forums, certain twitter feeds, watch John Oliver, etc. for left wing viewpoints.
@Brawn I’m pretty far left - in case that wasn’t obvious - and no, I do not read right wing points of view, because I literally do not understand how those people can think the way they do. There just seems to be so much selfishness and what-about-meism in right wing thinking. I’m Australian, so we don’t have the gun issue (thank god) or the health insurance issue (thank god), but the right wing people I have met here are, frankly, mean as hell. And our right wing “journalism” is all about blaming anyone foreign or poor for the ills of the world.
So yeah, there’s not that much that can convince me that the “other side” has anything to say worth listening to.
At the end of the day, Erik, who brought guns to campus and who shot someone? You might be callous and uncaring enough to just keep driving your points into the ground, factual or not, but when someone gets shot within yards of where I work and where thousands of students pass each day, it's concerning and scary.
Mrs Hoakana on both, no one disputes that, I think it was legally justified and I suspect the detectives who investigated this believed that too as did a Deputy Prosecutor because shooting cases are usually reviewed by a prosecutor that night (my source for that is a Federal Way Police Officer who does a use of force training class for civilians, I can send you his info if you want)
Mr Dukes exercised incredibly poor judgement. Possibly criminal behavior he’s covering for, and I see no evidence that Elizabeth was anything other then a loving spouse concerned about a man with a prominent swastika on his head and a big hunting knife on his belt grabbing her husband, but you tried to frame this as he was just shot by a rogue Milo supporter for no reason at all, this wasn’t like Heather Heyer who was wrong place at the very wrong time, this guy has at least some culpability on his situation. So I do think making assumptions about her motives for doing what she did is premature, ok I do it all the time, so I am being hypocrital there
It shouldn’t be a partisan issue to allow exchange of ideas on a college campus. I mean Evergreen brought in a video of a convicted cop killer giving their commencement address and yet its wrong that Milo Yiannopoulos gives a speech without undue harassment by protestors?
Does this type of shit happen to you? It seems to happen to me more and more.
I’am at the grocery store at 9 am. In there is myself some nice old lady and a young lady with toddler. The lady working the register is Hispanic. Some dude comes in line starts talking aloud, I don’t know who he is talking too. You know he starts going on about what Trump said. He says aloud the thing about shitholes. I’m going blind with rage, everyone else seems afraid. Anyway I got my ass out before I lost it. I saw him walking in the lot he looked like he was proud of himself. FUCK!
There's concern about this type of stuff on college campuses right now (I work on one). Here's one thing that happened last year on one of our branch campuses: UW Bothell investigating possible hate crime against Muslim women. And of course everyone remembers when Milo Y came to our campus, there was some kind of altercation and one of his supporters shot someone.
After that person who was all tatted up with swastikas and carrying an object resembling brass knuckles came after her husband
you left that part out of the story, there’s a reason she was released from custody that night without being arrested
He didn't have a swastika tattoo...he had an anti-fascist symbol - a crossed out swastika. His 'brass knuckles' was a plastic finger strengthener used by guitar players. He wasn't 'carrying' it in a away that it could have been mistaken as a weapon, it was found in one of his pockets by a medic as he was being taken the hospital.
He didn't come after her husband, he tried to get between her husband and another guy to deescalate the situation...audio analysis of a tape showed that her husband was telling her not to shoot.
Let’s talk about the swastika, it was in black marker on his head, the circle/slash was red, which can blend in well with human flesh tone. So yes he did have the slash, but I remember the news reports on the radio stating Mrs Hoakana staring she saw his swastika, not the emblem around it and given the circumstance I see no reason to disbelieve her on that.
Why do you keep repeating this lie about the swastika which is easily disproved by, oh I don't know, photographs and video?
The only thing on Josh Dukes' forehead is blood.
The Hokianas came to the event armed and with intent to inflict violence. Mark Hokiana messaged a friend: “I can’t wait for tomorrow. I’m going to the milo event and if the snowflakes get out off hand I’m going to wade through their ranks and start cracking skulls.”
Why do you keep repeating this lie about the swastika which is easily disproved by, oh I don't know, photographs and video?
The only thing on Josh Dukes' forehead is blood.
The Hokianas came to the event armed and with intent to inflict violence. Mark Hokiana messaged a friend: “I can’t wait for tomorrow. I’m going to the milo event and if the snowflakes get out off hand I’m going to wade through their ranks and start cracking skulls.”
Marc didn’t shoot so his comments are not transferable to his Wife’s prosecution. That will not be presented to the jury at least for her. If it goes to a jury because the prosecutor announced charges last year and I can’t find updates Likewise, legally carrying a firearm is not prima facie evidence of intent to commit a crime.
You are right though, it wasn’t on his head, it was on his arm, I was going off of what was being reported at the time this happened. Because I am certain that was in the initial news reported because I saw it multiple places at the time and described as such.
There is video in the Seattle Times link, and here are the charging documents.
There is also a really good Guardian interview with Joshua Dukes, who despite enduring multiple surgeries and suffering severe damage, does not want Elizabeth Hokoana to go to prison. Interesting guy with a lot of empathy and compassion.
The tattoo was on his arm, it has a circle and cross through it and he was wearing a jacket - she didn't see it. Just like in the video with her lawyer where she reenacts how Josh was holding the knife (she described the hand it was in, the position that he was holding it etc) except the video shows that he wasn't holding a knife at all.
Remember when we were discussing the whole 'flame thrower' thing (the paint can and lighter) in Charlottesville? And I watched a video where the guy gave his account of what happened, then saw another video that contradicted part of what he said (the order of events). My reaction wasn't "oh, well maybe he forgets or maybe he's mis-remembering"...I said that he lied, and because of that I couldn't believe anything else he says. Apply that same standard here, the woman lied and we have video evidence of it.
I really don't understand your investment in defending these people. The facts are simple - they showed up hoping to 'crack some skulls', on video her husband repeatedly tells his wife not to shoot first, he says something to the effect of 'they have to start it' - they had a premeditated self-defense plan in place because they knew that they were going 'crack some skulls'. The guy who was shot didn't have a swastika on his head, didn't have brass knuckles, wasn't holding a knife and didn't attack her husband - he was in the process of trying to separate her husband from another guy.
Is there ever anything that isn't partisan to you or you just defend 'your side' no matter what, facts be damned?
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I’am at the grocery store at 9 am. In there is myself some nice old lady and a young lady with toddler. The lady working the register is Hispanic. Some dude comes in line starts talking aloud, I don’t know who he is talking too. You know he starts going on about what Trump said. He says aloud the thing about shitholes. I’m going blind with rage, everyone else seems afraid. Anyway I got my ass out before I lost it. I saw him walking in the lot he looked like he was proud of himself. FUCK!
Anderson Cooper and Don Lemon continue to actually "tell it like it is" and prove that they're in touch with true progressive ideals.
And for some more news that will make you literally question if you're dreaming and having a nightmare.
Report from noted liberal newspaper The Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-lawyer-arranged-130-000-payment-for-adult-film-stars-silence-1515787678
"Forty thousand had come from Nigeria, Mr. Trump added. Once they had seen the United States, they would never 'go back to their huts' in Africa, recalled the two officials, who asked for anonymity to discuss a sensitive conversation in the Oval Office."
There was also a comment about how all Haitians have AIDS.
If these are true, and the the only reason I doubt them is because how unbelievably racist and ANCIENT this kind of thinking is....I mean this is beyond words. To be SO, SOOO deeply ignorant about the world, while occupying the highest office in the country. I am always amazed that we still have not reached peak fear and shock with this sorry excuse for a man.
you left that part out of the story, there’s a reason she was released from custody that night without being arrested
He didn't come after her husband, he tried to get between her husband and another guy to deescalate the situation...audio analysis of a tape showed that her husband was telling her not to shoot.
The leftists showed up to provoke a fight, this is what they do all the time, if you’re not a leftist you’re not allowed to have your own events without some SJW disrupting it. This Wobbly who got shot didn’t come for a rational discussion of ideas, he came with an illegal knife, an implement that I believe he intended for use as a weapon that wouldn’t trigger arrest for brass knuckles since that guitar tuner can basically be used to enhance a punch, with provocative images of racist symbols prominently on his forehead, and dressed like a thug, amongst a group of people who came armed with clubs to disrupt a legally permitted and constitutionally protected event, and all of that still doesn’t get condemnation
because if everyone showed up to see Milo and the protestors stayed in their area and didn’t stop anyone or attack anyone and all of that noting would have happened that night.
And if you can tell me what Milo represents but a pre-pubescent mindset, go for it. Until then, he should drop off the face of the political discussion, as he represents nothing but unbridled egotism and narcissism.
About me:
I will be honest, there are many issues where I find myself struggling to find a solution. I used to consider myself a moderate independent, but I feel like both political parties have moved towards extreme viewpoints. There seems to be very little grey anymore. However, after the shift (whether perceived or reality), I do find myself leaning right. I lean left on: Global warming, abortion, gay rights, net neutrality, etc. I lean right on gun control, economic freedom, illegal immigration, racial privilege, etc. Also against the war on drugs, not sure either side is doing a great job there.
I am sure that I left out many key issues, this is just off of the top of my head. I voted third party, I am Hispanic, I love my country and consider myself a patriot. That doesn't mean that everything is perfect, but I would rather live here than 85% of the developing / undeveloped world.
On Topic:
I don't like Milo, he comes across as a provocateur, a douchebag, and a troll. However, I believe all schools of thought should be discussed civically, especially at "institutions of learning". He obviously had supporters at the event. I sometimes wonder if it would be better if counter protests were forced to take place a certain distance from the event?
I do have a question for you all. How many of you listen to alternative viewpoints? I know some of you do, judging by how you respond to Emnofseattle; Cretanbull and akritenbrink come to mind. I am just curious, not being judgemental. I read these forums, certain twitter feeds, watch John Oliver, etc. for left wing viewpoints.
So yeah, there’s not that much that can convince me that the “other side” has anything to say worth listening to.
Mr Dukes exercised incredibly poor judgement. Possibly criminal behavior he’s covering for, and I see no evidence that Elizabeth was anything other then a loving spouse concerned about a man with a prominent swastika on his head and a big hunting knife on his belt grabbing her husband, but you tried to frame this as he was just shot by a rogue Milo supporter for no reason at all, this wasn’t like Heather Heyer who was wrong place at the very wrong time, this guy has at least some culpability on his situation. So I do think making assumptions about her motives for doing what she did is premature, ok I do it all the time, so I am being hypocrital there
It shouldn’t be a partisan issue to allow exchange of ideas on a college campus. I mean Evergreen brought in a video of a convicted cop killer giving their commencement address and yet its wrong that Milo Yiannopoulos gives a speech without undue harassment by protestors?
The only thing on Josh Dukes' forehead is blood.
Likewise, legally carrying a firearm is not prima facie evidence of intent to commit a crime.
You are right though, it wasn’t on his head, it was on his arm, I was going off of what was being reported at the time this happened. Because I am certain that was in the initial news reported because I saw it multiple places at the time and described as such.
Remember when we were discussing the whole 'flame thrower' thing (the paint can and lighter) in Charlottesville? And I watched a video where the guy gave his account of what happened, then saw another video that contradicted part of what he said (the order of events). My reaction wasn't "oh, well maybe he forgets or maybe he's mis-remembering"...I said that he lied, and because of that I couldn't believe anything else he says. Apply that same standard here, the woman lied and we have video evidence of it.
I really don't understand your investment in defending these people. The facts are simple - they showed up hoping to 'crack some skulls', on video her husband repeatedly tells his wife not to shoot first, he says something to the effect of 'they have to start it' - they had a premeditated self-defense plan in place because they knew that they were going 'crack some skulls'. The guy who was shot didn't have a swastika on his head, didn't have brass knuckles, wasn't holding a knife and didn't attack her husband - he was in the process of trying to separate her husband from another guy.
Is there ever anything that isn't partisan to you or you just defend 'your side' no matter what, facts be damned?
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2% from the antifa types. 98% from right wing sources (with two different religious beliefs).